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Posted: 19 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: shadyhtown

I saw today's episode, and I had so many thoughts going through my mind that I simply had to express them. Before I start, let me tell you that I am a BS supporter, so you can take that into perspective.

The episode started, as usual, with a toss. Can we please get rid of this farce, Gajji? Call it a coincidence or what you may, but the toss has been used 3 times so far, UA have been given heads each time, and guess what, it's been heads all 3 times! Are you sure it's not the Sholay coin – Rohit?? The first time, UA choose to 'bat', 2nd time it's 'fielding', and third time – surprise surprise – 'batting' again..

Today's round was an Alka/Abhijeet special (well.. more like an Alka super-special – all songs were hers). And that generally means slow-paced, soft romantic songs. Which is UA's specialty – they are amazing in those type of songs. BS, on the other hand, are more comfortable with the faced-paced, non-traditional songs. Hmmmmm…

Back during C2005, Abhilash had analyzed a finale episode between Vinit and Debojit, where we had three singers as judges – Sandesh Shandilya, Shantanu Moitra, and Pritam Chakraborty. All the 6 songs – 2 each – happened to be Sonu Nigam songs, and Abhi declared this to be quite unfair, as it was home ground for Vinit. Using the same argument, I will say that today's songs were home ground for UA. Not only are U and A more comfortable with the kind of songs provided, but their voices also suit Alka and Abhijeet. Can't say the same for Sharib and Banjyotsna. In the case of Banjo, expecting her to sing Alka songs is like asking Nihira to sing Jaspinder Narula songs. No no no – not comparing B and N; simply using an example to show that the voices don't match. B is more suited to Sunidhi Chauhan than Alka Yagnik.

But that doesn't take away from the performances – and yes, UA were the superior performers today. Aishwarya, in particular, was excellent. Ujjaini again faltered on the higher notes – this really is getting to be a regular blemish on the talented singer. She was particularly shrill on the 'Naaaaam' in the 'Tera Naaaam likh diya' song in the final round (how did they get 7 for that??). Her assigned MD commented on her high note problems, Alka commented on it in 2 songs, and wonder of wonders – even Leslie commented on that. So it turns you do have a musical brain, Les.

Sharib was nice, but not as good as Aishwarya. Ash had the perfect tone to match Abhijeet, while Sharib's voice didn't suit it. Note in the 2nd song where they were asking him to stress longer and softer on the notes, Abhijeet style, but Sharib found it difficult. Don't worry Sharib – hopefully we'll have a Sonu or Udit or Rafi episode, and you can sing openly. As for Banjo, everyone has already stressed too much on how she let Sharib down – so I won't repeat it again. Buck up Banjo, and demand YOUR type of songs next time.

Why does it seem to me like everything is being done in order to help ensure that UA win? For starters, they have the better MD. Anand Sharma is much more qualified than the other person (forgot his name), and we could see that in the advice they gave to their respective contestants. When B asked her MD what she was doing wrong – he gave an answer along the lines of, 'you're doing something wrong – we don't know what'. And when S asks him about their mistakes in the Rabba song, he goes into a monologue about accepting criticism. In fact, the choreographer guy sounded more helpful that him. Why was he even chosen to help BS? Wasn't he the one who launched into an angry tirade against them a few weeks back? And he also picked on Sharib last week. This guy has a temper, is rude, insensitive, doesn't like BS, and is a lousy choice for them.

Then there's also the issue of assigning each host to support each jodi. Is that necessary? Can't we show both of them as neutral? Picture this – a popular TV star and movie actor supports one jodi, a relatively unknown lady with no real credentials or fan-following supports the other jodi. Who do you suppose the common voter would be more influenced by?

And why was the mike suddenly conked out for Sharib in the 2nd song? Please don't mess up a singer's flow in your quest to create controversy, Gajji. It's simply not worth the TRPs! Even the musicians weren't good with the track for that particular song. And Alka ji said as such. They needed to go review the beats in the actual song. Here it didn't sound like the original.

Leslie. This guy never fails to bewilder me. What he says is not what he wants, what he wants is not reflected in his stars, what the stars mean – I doubt even he understands. In the first round, he says UA were thanda in chemistry, monotonously stood in one place, and didn't 'use the stage'. Then he gives them 6 stars, for what? Right after them come BS, they 'use the stage', use an imaginary prop, get some positive comment from Les, and still end up getting only 5 stars. What does this guy even want?? In the next round, worried, BS 'use the stage' even more, and get even fewer stars. Seems nothing can please Leslie. Most of the time it looks like he doesn't know whether to rate for singing or for chemistry. This guy doesn't even seem to have a mind of his own. When Rohit shouted 'fantastic' to BS' final performance, Leslie followed suit, and when Abhijit derided them, he covered up saying his fantastic was only because they had improved, but they will only worthy of 4 stars. And if he had any credibility left, he lost it all when he succumbed to Abhijeet's requests for a 7th star for UA.

And Abhijeet. Where do I start? Why do they keep calling this idiot back every time? He always ends up making a fool of himself and embarrassing everyone connected with the show. The world has already seen his C2005 Grand Finale antics. Back then, it seemed as if he was punch drunk. Today, it seemed he was on a double dose of PHP. He seemed 'high' right from the beginning. As soon as he came, he announced aloud that all the judges would have a unanimous verdict on the best jodi – as if they had sat at the back with Gajji and decided upon that. And for him, it was UA from the start. In the first round, he compared them favorably to Alka and Hariharan for that specific song – are you serious?? In any case, Alka and Hari didn't seem to agree. In the 2nd round, he said Ash was 90% as good as the original, and he would be 19 to his 20 (please don't tell me he's getting HR's 20-20 hangover) while Sharib was more like 10. (By the way, 19 out of 20 is 95%, not 90. Great Math!!) And in the third round, he again went overboard. Yes, Abhijeet, UA were very good today, but please keep your excitement and enthusiasm in check – no need to get overzealous. It starts looking fake, and then the back-door planning starts becoming visible. The worst was when he literally begged (or was it bullied) Leslie into giving them the extra star for that oh-so-lovely 14. You're a guest, stay as a guest, no need to behave like an interfering a**!

On the other hand, he was very sharp with Sharib. Alka ji was nice enough to support Sharib, who had sung well without good support from Banjo. He was simply ruthless in some places - especially his retort when Sharib was trying to explain about his health. (Okay that's not a good excuse, but everyone from U to A to B has used it at some point in time, and they weren't shouted at like this). And, in the end, when they had their best performance of the day, what was the need to tell Sharib, "You've improved, but you're not the best"?? That, to me, reeks of bias, insecurity, jealousy – take your pick.

All in all, a stomach churning day, thanks to the behavior, attitude, and obvious bias that seemed to be in place for UA. Just my opinion.

By the way, this is how I feel the individual performers ranked today.

1) Aishwarya - Excellent

2) Ujjaini/Sharib - Couldn't stand Ujjaini's high note problem, Sharib also not at his best

3) Banjyotsna - Forgettable day

Overall, UA were better today.

very very well said shady! 👏

agree with u

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Posted: 19 years ago
#32
Appaji great points, can't ignore them. Maybe not a conspiracy theory, but I feel GS has been unnecessarily stressing on certain controversial issues that don't need to be shown. For instance, highligthting the late-coming of both UA and BS last week, and telecasting the MDs rude comments on BS.

Today, the mike went out, fine, and all the judges realized it was a technical fault and agreed to give them another chance - good. No arguments, no controversy, simply start over again. But GS then chooses to present it in such a way that it makes one feel that there's some serious disagreement going on; it creates an sense of drama and excitement and suspense - compounded with sound effects in the background. That wasn't necessary, and was misleading. After Abhijeet and Alka asked them to start again, Gajji could simply have moved to the part where Sharib starts singing again.

Gajji probably has nothing against BS - he may just want to attract TRPs. And BS is the bakra he is currently utilizing for his benefit. I'm not even sure if the mike actually conked out, or if Gajji did that in order to generate drama. It could also be that he is trying to show BS in a troubled light, so that Assam gears up and starts voting in droves for them.

All these TRP tactics, whether they go on to hurt on benefit BS, are still not right. Even if, after this episode, BS get bunches of votes, I will still say it wasn't right.

As for Abhijit, the less said the better. I forgot to mention another point about him. When he got up to give a standing ovation for UA, and people in the crows also started to get up and cheer, he turned back and shut them up, saying, "When I am standing, no one else will stand". What an arrogant 🤬 !!

P.S. The toss comment was not suggested to imply conspiracy. I simply mentioned it because it feels so lame and predictable - I knew UA had sung first last week and BS yesterday, so it was obvious UA would be going first again today. The toss drama was unnecessary. 🤢
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Posted: 19 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: jmn7


In the first two sings ua were better.But in the third song ua and bs were equal.But abhijit's criticim is not justified for that song.

Right.. UA were the better jodi today

But UA weren't as good as Abhijeet was making them out to be, and BS weren't as bad as Abhijeet was making them out to be. For some reason, he only stayed on the two extremes.

Alka ji was more controlled, and she analyzed them much better.

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Posted: 19 years ago
#34
Very well written post Shady....

And agree to a lot of points raised by you, inspite of me wanting UA to win... Yes you are right, looks like Gajji is doing all to make UA win, but remember that is what could be the biggest barrier for UA... We have seen time and again that the Zee favorite loses and the so called underdog takes the final bite on the trophy...

I personally think the only reason why UA should win is that Aishwarya has improved tremendously... Ujjaini and Sharib were always good and both of them are siunding tired now.. Its their partners who are going to make all the difference, and thats where A is lots ahead of B, and should take UA to the winning spot..
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Posted: 19 years ago
#35
Talking of controversy, I also felt the clip of Sharib being the savior to the child and reuniting him with his family, was unnecessary. No doubt it tilted a lot of votes towards BS.

That video could have been shown at the end of EMAET - in the finale. That way, it wouldn't allow BS to get any admiration votes (which I'm sure they did).
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Posted: 19 years ago
#36
You're worried about Abhijeet and Leslie? 😆

Abhijeet is a great singer, but has an ego which is bigger than a football stadium! 🤢

Leslie is afraid of speaking his own mind near domineering personalities like Abhijeet. Either way, when he does speak his mind, he sounds foolish. (On a side note, I wonder if he supplied all the wood for the stage? 😛)

In the end, keep voting for whom you like. No point in analyzing the actions of the judges. Here, the votes count more than the opinions of the judges.

PS. I agree with Appa - dont think this is a conspiracy theory.
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Posted: 19 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: jmn7


shadyhtown,you are a good analyst of facts.I think you are in software.But you are not making the right analysis.You are right that gajendra singh and zeetv wants ua to win.If saregamapa is to maintain it's credibility then ua should win.ua are not as good as hrishikesh,prajakta or vishwas,Twinkle.But they can be ranked in the third position.Another pair which can be ranked equally with them are niladri,vinita.They were eliminated in the first episode,so the veto was not used.When vishwas,Twinkle were eliminated,the only remaining good pair is ua.So zeetv and GS want ua to win.
Sharib is a good singer but banjyotsna is not singing well.

The main fault of this conetst is the wrong pairing of contestants.The contest is not fair.Saptak,sharib
who are good singers are paired with average singers like joyeeta,banjyotsna.They competing agianst hrishikesh,
aishwarya who have stronger singing partners is unfair.So,if we are going by the singing of pairs only ua deserve to win.The other average pair are irfan,sinchan.Even rajeev being paired with a reasonably good singer like sanchali was not good.But even sanchali did not sing well.
Rajiv should have been paired with banjyotsna.

The worst thing in this crap contest is the wrong judgement of judges.They had two vetos and they misused their two vetos.They should not have used the first veto for irfan,sinchan.They should have used it for hrishikesh,prajakta.


Thanx for the compliment 😊

So you are saying that Zee and GS want UA win because they are the better jodi and SRGMP wants to maintain its credibility by making them win.

But is that the right thing to do - support one jodi over the other, rather than be neutral?

Edited by shadyhtown - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: bangboy

Appaji ,The fact is that these ppl r unable to digest the fact that UA were superior(atleast yesterday)..

No use in replying to this baseless arguements

The reality is that BS were saved using veto...

I think the supporters have forgotten that. No point calling others names... They have to perform and win hearts.

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Posted: 19 years ago
#39
Great one Shady!


Looks like EMAET is getting the steam back now!
😉
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Posted: 19 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: bangboy

Appaji ,The fact is that these ppl r unable to digest the fact that UA were superior(atleast yesterday)..

No use in replying to this baseless arguements

bangboy, yes ur a ua fan but this is not baseless arguements

shaddy is 101% right 👏

and yes we all agreed that ua were better, no1 said they they wasn't

so how can u say we cant digest it😡

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