OP Nayyar...Loss of the Veteran composer - Page 5

Punjini ji
no way I am againgst the sisters..but see what happened to one of the singer when she opponly opposed them...If in their shoe may be i had done same thing to secure myself but just to blame OP for what ever he says could be wrong



Anuradha Podwal challenged Lata Mangeshkar's claim to having recorded the maximum number of songs in a single day. She also accused the Mangeshkar sisters for indulging in monopoly. This outspoken nature at times landed her in trouble as the music directors of the industry feared to face the wrath of Lata Mangeshkar and Asha Bhonsle and they often avoided Anuradha Paudwal. Many a times Anuradha's songs were dubbed by Lata such as Main Teri Dushman (Nagina) and many such songs

Originally posted by: Swar_Raj

Punjini ji
no way I am againgst the sisters..but see what happened to one of the singer when she opponly opposed them...If in their shoe may be i had done same thing to secure myself but just to blame OP for what ever he says could be wrong



Anuradha Podwal challenged Lata Mangeshkar's claim to having recorded the maximum number of songs in a single day. She also accused the Mangeshkar sisters for indulging in monopoly. This outspoken nature at times landed her in trouble as the music directors of the industry feared to face the wrath of Lata Mangeshkar and Asha Bhonsle and they often avoided Anuradha Paudwal. Many a times Anuradha's songs were dubbed by Lata such as Main Teri Dushman (Nagina) and many such songs

totally with you, Swar_Raj. find the following quote amazing:

"For whatever the problems in the persona of OPN, the so-called great singer of today Asha Bhonsle NEVER acknowledges the greatness of OPN as music director and NEVER acknowledges him as her mentor, the opportunity that OPN gave to her that made her so famous in the Bollywood in any of her numerous interviews and stage shows. "

what an ego! at least that's the way it appears if one can believe whatever is written up in interviews (and i have questions there). most folks, however successful, have the humility to acknowledge even enemies who've helped them along the way, and here she is. in any case, which is worse- arrogance or giant-sized vengeful ego? or arent they two sides of the same coin? we start going down a slippery slope if we denigrate all these greats because of facets of their lives that dont directly relate to music. who knows what devils drive people who are so talented?

again, find all your comments right on, Swar_Raj!

Originally posted by: chatbuster

totally with you, Swar_Raj. find the following quote amazing:

"For whatever the problems in the persona of OPN, the so-called great singer of today Asha Bhonsle NEVER acknowledges the greatness of OPN as music director and NEVER acknowledges him as her mentor, the opportunity that OPN gave to her that made her so famous in the Bollywood in any of her numerous interviews and stage shows. "

what an ego! at least that's the way it appears if one can believe whatever is written up in interviews (and i have questions there). most folks, however successful, have the humility to acknowledge even enemies who've helped them along the way, and here she is. in any case, which is worse- arrogance or giant-sized vengeful ego? or arent they two sides of the same coin? we start going down a slippery slope if we denigrate all these greats because of facets of their lives that dont directly relate to music. who knows what devils drive people who are so talented?

again, find all your comments right on, Swar_Raj!

Swar ji allow me to join Rahul (for once 😉) to say - very well said!

only thing i know about op nayyer is that he wears a cap and was famous for taanga-songs 😆

Originally posted by: p.s.

only thing i know about op nayyer is that he wears a cap and was famous for taanga-songs 😆

good to see that we also have taanga as part of the vocabulary😉

Originally posted by: charades

Well Said Rahul....👏👏👏

Another one in the "Agreed" basket ...... 😆😆😆

thanks

Originally posted by: Swar_Raj

Punjini ji
Qwest wrote about NAresh...(Rang de Basanti) who recently worked with AR..see his experience.......this shows that a singer is polished by the MD....even in this time..imagine the time of 70's , how much hard work they were doing to retain success. Asha was for sure refined by him. Today she is shinning star due to him...no doubt.


Naresh was not exactly a newcomer to music. He had sung in almost 500 stage shows with a theater group called Rangaat Productions. He had also trained for two years under singers Chintamani Gore and Sushila Mani.

In fact his first stint as a playback singer was in a Tamil movie, Anbe Aaruyire.


And he started on the lilting Roobaroo at 4:30 am, after nearly 12 hours in the recording studio. But by 7 am, the song was complete.



The tune is given to you, and then you rehearse. Only when you start singing, Later, you realize that the [completed] song sounds very different from what you had rehearsed!"

Swar_Raj ji, Very well said and pointed out the facts of success of any singer then and now. If you also look back SRGMP 05 same thing in my opinion it takes two too tango for there success. Again thanks.

any comments on following thread on NB by Simplyskud.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=266584&T PN=5

relates in some ways to this one, at least to some of this last discussion.

Looks like there is a male chauvinistic world out here with everyone saying that Asha has not acknowledged her mentor, the great OP Nayyar. Has OPN acknowledged that he reached his dizzying heights because of Asha and Geeta - that he would be nothing without singers like them? No one would have known his art if he had ordinary singers to sing them. Sorry, I don't beleive that he had the capacity to transform just anyone.

Let's talk ONLY about the interviews of OPN posted on this thread and not about some rumours/hearsay about how Asha had a vengeful ego or how the two sisters were manipulative or how the sisters competed with each other.

Pl focus on the interviews of OPN posted on this thread.
This man speaks like a brat of the first order. Forget Sajjad, we have never read his interview, have we? Here is OPN who openly gloats over all the beautiful women who gave him company, who were "attracted" to his handsome "Punjabi" looks, who cried when he left them. What the heck? He displays those women like medals on his uniform. Mind you these are all highly respected women like Asha, Geeta, Shamshad that he is talking about. He gives the impression that he was a king and his subjects fought for his attention (read the part where he says he enjoyed the competition between Shamshad and Asha for his atention).

The most objectionable remark of OPN was that he told his wife he was a womaniser, and she should not expect anything else from him. Some of you might say he is being honest but that doesn't take away the fact that he had no respect for women.

Let me deviate a bit here. Ravi Shankar has had many many live-in relationships with women. But not in a single interview does he claim that his music made them crazily fall in love with him and desire to bear his children. He was a genius too. But he refers to each of the women with utmost respect.

Someone called OPN stupid on this thread. I would agree. If you read the interview, he says that he refused to join his family which wanted to migrate to India during partition. He stubbornly stayed back. But when riots engulfed the region, a kind Muslim benefactor arranged for him to secretly flee to India. Once he reached India, he didn't get in touch with his family because he didn't want to lose face.

Every statement of OPN shows that he was a stubborn, opinionated, unfriendly, narcissistic person. Please separate OPN the composer from OPN the individual. Pl don't think that he should be exonerated because he was a genius. He lived in a society. If his behaviour deserves brickbats, he should get them and if his music deserves bouquets, that should be given too.

We see what we want to see. When we see certain things and ignore others, is that a reflection of ourselves? Consider:

He is another gifted person that had no classical trainning and doesnot know how to read & write music

Self-taught? To my mind, the highest kind of learning is what one learns and actualizes on one's own. But this is something i dont really expect some folks to really understand.

For those who came in late, OP Nayyar has been an eminently successful homeopath of patients as charity.

Community service. Silly! I think he would have been better served if he had begged Asha, eaten humble pie even though he had been responsible for her early successes. He shld have churned out more hits with her and continued his successes till later. Would certainly have been considered great like Asha then, all her "corrupting" remixes notwithstanding.

"God has made OP Nayyar!" he says in a ringing voice. I am at the mercy of God! "Main to Bhagwan ke gadhon mein se hoon!"

He does put himself down also, doesn't he? Consistent? Not someone who holds himself to one standards and others to another? What do we call those people? And is there a hint of the God-fearing that i detect here?

Never one to mince words, Nayyar thunders, "My learned colleagues who are running down today's music and western influences forget that there are just seven surs in the world, which have all emanated from God. Abusing these seven notes is like abusing God! Swar to Bhagwan hai! Why don't they say that it is the lyrics that have deteriorated, the costumes and choreography that are of poor standards? As intelligent men, don't they know this much? My dear friend, music cannot be spoilt!"

Doesn't mince words. What do hypocrites do? Mince words. To my mind, hypocrisy would have to be one of the worst of all traits- one is truthful neither to oneself nor to others. Kya spirituality kee baatein karte hain!

OP's healthy but unconventional attitude stems from his firm belief in two facts: one, the supremacy of destiny and two, the fact that a good song is one which appeals to the ear.

I think this part must really offend a lot of folks who think the one path to salvation is the one they know, the one achieved after a certain drill. Actually, there is a real arrogance about that thinking. Unless you can belt out those raagas in just the precise manner after a 16.000 hour drill, you are useless.

He smiles, his eyes beaming. It's been a good life. I have reached the sky!"

Content. Does not sound like someone who needs to stick a knife in others because life's been cruel to him. Somehow, the hue-and-cry with the Mumbai construction/ Lata episode does not reflect contentment and gratitude, get my drift?

Everyone here is jealous of another man's success. They run down juniors even though they know their own time is over. What will they lose if they tell a junior, 'Wah wah! Beta, kya kamaal kiya hai,' and encourage him? And it's a myth that in our time music directors were great friends among themselves. How can dogs unite? They have to bark at each other!

Encouraging others. What have we heard about the sisters? Let alone encourage, they made sure they had their competitors run out of the industry. No point trying to score technical points here and sending us on a google search for all the writings on the sisters. We've read all those articles and newspapers reports.

I was arrogant only with people who were arrogant with me.

And we know how arrogant some folks were in thinking they had the right to monopolize the industry, that they were God's gifts to mankind.

Before I married, I told my wife that I would always remain a womaniser. She took a promise that I would never marry again.

The key here is "Before i married". He did not cheat. Cheating is lying and deceiving. It might be a bad deal for both, but it's not cheating. She walked into it with her eyes open. Someone cheats, does not brag about it and that's forgiveable? Why? Because they happen to be someone whose "non-Punjabi" "cultured" ways we like?

I suppose we do not see anything redeeming in him. Still, I am not sure i want to earn non-MCP honors by giving an 80+ year old man a a virtual kick. To my mind, there are a lot worse things for which i would certainly want to give a real kick. But i dont think we want to hear about that.

Again, it's a wrong road to take when we denigrate these folks. As i said earlier, who knows the devils that drive these supremely talented people. To run down someone is easy. But ask this- if someone had a fraction of the success, fame, fortune or looks that OPN had, wld they be any better as a human being? Score 100 for arrogance if the answer is yes.