Who is at fault for the degradation?

I'm sorry to say this but this article on Vishwanath's vulgar behavior prompted me to say it: (Please forgive me if anyone is offended)

To say that "this show has fallen to the pits" is stating the obvious. I think they should just cancel this show!

When the music industry is drenched in item numbers at a club with girls wearing revealing clothing, devoid of melody, copying others, and nothing but SHOR (noise) being accepted as music, how can anyone use "Sa Re Ga Ma Pa" as a platform to join in this field?

As yourselves everyone: WHO IS AT FAULT?

1. IS IT THE PUBLIC?

Do the public truly like to listen to remixes and songs that are sung in the club with revealing bodies with suggestive lyrics or actions? Will they be able to live the whole day if that's what they are listening to? Is the sound of the music or the picturization inspiring them to buy more of this or to listen to all of this?

2. IS THE MUSIC DIRECTORS?

Do the music directors really have a say in how they create their music? Sorry to quote him, but Himesh Reshammiya says thist his music is targeted to 23 years olds. I am 22, and I know a handful of 22 year olds who stopped listening to Indian film music because it began to sound too "cheap." Does the film director/producer tell the music directors "compose this way or else your fired?" I sure hope not. Thank God for music directors like Ismail Darbar who is classical oriented, Jatin Lalit (to my knowledge, their music has always been listenable and mostly family orientated), late Madan Mohan (through Veer Zaara), A.R. Rehman (most versitile, to my knowledge).

OOPS! I discredit all those MDs that I just mentioned. I haven't heard a track by AR Rehman too recently, or Madan Mohan, or JL, or ID. Says a lot, doesn't it?

3. FILM DIRECTORS???

Do you think that a film story with cheap story lines or something vulgar will continue to survive? Will royalities come for them with they retire? Movies, for the most part, entertain audiences usually for something the viewer can relate to (cultural differences in Pardes), or wish to relate to (love from Mohabbatein), something informative (Bhagat Singh films), or just something to relax and have a good time (some Govinda film). I understand that the film "Kaliyug" (I haven't watched, btw) was to expose po*nography. However, from the previews, it appears to be a bit too extmeme. Will these things survive?

4. IS IT GAJENDRA SINGH VS. SONY??

Quite possibly. If GS really cared about the quality of his show, he'd cut those disputable things out like the walkout, mentors arguing over some petty matters, Vinit's love-story, too much dwelling in contestant's lives, Sharib's behavior, Vishwas's outburts, and Vishwanath's remarks. If he has no control to retain the quality of his show, then SRGMP will remain forgettable and true music lovers that I have had the fortune to meet in this forum, will hanker for good music or old tapes and recordings of old SRGM when Sonu Nigam was the host or maybe the early episodes when Shaan was the host!

Do you think Fame Gurukul's reality show format elicited this?

(sighs) I said what I have to say.

As Mahendra Kapoor sang in the film "Yaadgaar" (1970)

"mandir se log ghabarate hain, har raat club mein jaate hai

lo bhakti bhajan sab bhool gaye, aur filmi gaane gaate hai

jab dharm nahin, aur sharm nahin, koi acha karm nahin to phir uska baad.

(ektara noises)

ektara bole tun tun tun tun tun..."😆 (lighter side)

Okay I think you're looking too deeply into the Vishwanath matter, sorry to say. It's an error committed by just one young guy - trying to be cool.

It doesn't mean it was planned or scripted. Gajji might be having those small scuffs between partners and the AVs scripted, just for a laugh - but I doubt he'll stoop to this level. Vulgarity is not SaReGaMaPa.

And let's say even if it was scripted, why would HariHaran get up and go to bash Vishy. He wouldn't indulge in this stuff - especially when Alka Yagnik is also present. Next thing you'll say is even she was a part of it - sheeshhhhh.

And would Vishwanath dare to do this 'scripted act' on TV and get him shown angering people? He would run the risk of offending women and losing all the votes. Not worth the risk. Even Raktima wouldn't agree to be passed crude comments on.

It's just a one off that will be shushed. And we'll see on the telecast day, if they show all these events (crude comment, Hari going to bash him, etc) or not. If they don't, then you'll see I was right. I have a feeling they'll edit it out.

Kishore bhakt ji..

You have rightly pointed so...but after what we hear these days it seems that Gajji has taken the right track to success...If 'oooooooooooohhhhh suroooooooooooorr' can be a super-duper hit and Leslie can go the Farha Khan way(performance,chemistry and other cheapo stuffs) then i think that Gajji's new strategy is just great....

This is called..'Catch the bull by the horn'..we can just wait for someone to bring the red cloth in front of the bull so that it starts moving...Hope then we can hear more of ID,ARR,JL etc....

Originally posted by: shadyhtown

Okay I think you're looking too deeply into the Vishwanath matter, sorry to say. It's an error committed by just one young guy - trying to be cool.

It doesn't mean it was planned or scripted. Gajji might be having those small scuffs between partners and the AVs scripted, just for a laugh - but I doubt he'll stoop to this level. Vulgarity is not SaReGaMaPa.

And let's say even if it was scripted, why would HariHaran get up and go to bash Vishy. He wouldn't indulge in this stuff - especially when Alka Yagnik is also present. Next thing you'll say is even she was a part of it - sheeshhhhh.

And would Vishwanath dare to do this 'scripted act' on TV and get him shown angering people? He would run the risk of offending women and losing all the votes. Not worth the risk. Even Raktima wouldn't agree to be passed crude comments on.

It's just a one off that will be shushed. And we'll see on the telecast day, if they show all these events (crude comment, Hari going to bash him, etc) or not. If they don't, then you'll see I was right. I have a feeling they'll edit it out.

How old is Vishwanath? I don't hink he is that young. If he thinks it is cool to put a women down or address them in such a manner, then he really has some issues. I feel sorry for the ignorant boy. I think Raktima should have smacked him right there. She needs a wildcard, new partner.

kbji, sorry but not sure where his article starts and where your views do.. To quote:

"I'm sorry to say this but this article on Vishwanath's vulgar behavior prompted me to say it"

"this article " leads me to think part of the post is some article...

anyway, will get back tomorrow eve...

Shadytown,

Vishwanath's actions is one of the many faults that this show has come up recently. But I am not simply speaking of the show though..

I am also speaking on music. The quality of music is really pouring down the drain. Has quality of music really gone so far down that lyrics such as "I want to make love to you" from Aitraaz has become acceptable on TV? What kind of songs will children of today be accustomed to listening to?

It may be a parent's choice to allow such music or films to be seen in front of one children. But unfortunately, it's almost never the case of 'it's come in one ear and out other' or 'in one eyeball and out the other.' Unfortunately, there is a brain between them and some of it will inadvertantly absorb.

Who is responsible?

This is my opinion.

Can we just talk about the degradation of the show and music in this thread..I guess we have already dedicated a thread to Vishwanath and his scandal...

http://india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=248991

Kishoreji, YOu really hit the nail right on the head. I think every word you said is true. I particularly did not like HR's comment about the young people music taste. Even in SRGMP he did not like anyone singing old classics. I think it isall of us as public that encourage such kind of nonsense.
These reality shows make music so cheap and seems like any Tom Dick and Harry can get on stage and make a fool of themselves.
Dont even get me started on the clothing and the camera angles and the makeovers. I think they are prematurely aging this kids and pushing into glamour and so the real passion of music is lost.

Regarding that..
'I wanna make love to you' in Aitraaz i feel that the lyricist is at fault and not the music director..
It could have been
'I wanna see you day and night'/...just an example...
But people feel more strongly when those words are used and we feel that it brings more passion to the song..Do we really feel that way when we listen to the songs...
During a puja/function i see Kishore/Rafi is still preferred over the contemporary singers..Why is this so???
Whatever be teh reason but i believe that we still have the good ears for music and still love to listen to the classical oldies....

kbji, wish we have this thread going strong tomorrow as well. hope to get back on the points you raised tomorrow evening...