Did Nihira suffer because of wrong song? - Page 3

N Sinha, Totally agree with you...

jugal hansraj ji y dont u stop checkin in these posts which r not to ur taste?? u r doin this just to irritate and provoke people?? please there r many posts which may be of ur taste.. visit them and comment on them. y deprive people who like these posts

Originally posted by: N Sinha

To understand ID it is important to understand his music...afterall they say music is reflection of your thoughts.
ID is a composer whose music is heavily classical, who else would think of using Ustad Sultan Khan today( for Hum dilde chuke sanam in song Albela sajan aayo re..on raag Ahir Bhairav), because of which he fails to connect with masses. Another example is wo na aayenge palat kar (Devdaas, based on raag Khamaj). Now it goes without saying that these songs are very tough to be sung by masses, another example is tera jadoo chal gaya...which is not attempted even by Sonu Nigam on stage.
If these compositions are by any mean reflection of his thoughts, then I can concur that he needs to connect with masses.
It is more difficult to make songs which are classical in nature & still click with people, this is where RD Burman succeeded in striking a balance, this is where JL clicked to good extent.
When ID had to select a song it is obvious that he will go for a heavy classical esp. when he wanted to showcase Nihira's talent, such as Saathi bhool na jana mera pyaar (Kotwaal saab, 1977).
A tough raag based composition may not have a mass appeal & thats what happened here. But to conclude that ID wanted it the other way, might be overanalysing the situation. I'll maintain that he knew that Nihira's exit was almost certain & he wanted to present her in the greatest way.
IMHO when singers like Nihira are voted out or when a rendition like Saathi bhool na jana fail, it reflects a deper pathology, it means somewhere Hindi music is going downhill everyday. It means songs like Dil fitna or Aashiq Banay Aapne will rule the roast for the time being. It means somewhere people are confusing between a dancer & a singer.

Nihira had not sufferes in anyway, She has got everything what ID wanted for her. Some people think she has sufferred due to wrong choice of song, no way, she might have sufferred due to ignorance of Junta about good music. But talent lasts long, politics does not.

Originally posted by: JugalHansraj

Sinha - Nihira is history now. Thas topic has been discussed umpteenth time and not sure what new are you bringing to the table.

This topic has been created to learn about music for person like me who do not know about music much but has interest, if you already know everything and do not want to learn just ignore it.

Originally posted by: Kumar Gaurav

I know this is not relevant but I thought you could give me an answer...The other song that ID picked that day was Iliaraaja's composition. Could you direct me to which movie that was from? That song moved me as much as Saathi re did.

Sadma. Best song choice in that episode

Originally posted by: N Sinha

IF you recall Salil Chaudhary was also classical & didnt work for a lot of movies still he is counted as one of the best. I think ID will go in the same line. Taste certainly has changed....gradually but then abruptly after 1990, when AM & others started using compu sythesized beats.
I still think ID would have been appreciated if produced music 25 yrs ago.
Hmmm: some where way back mdroy wrote there are 3 factors mainly which determine the music:

1. composer's capability
2. Film producer's pressure..
3. Public taste

I think these factors explain why our tste has changed.

Actually no movie of this era can justify the importance of ID music. These days movies are being made keeping urban people in mind. Even Big directors like Karan Johar, Yashraj are making film keeping NRIs and urban people in mind. For ID music movie must be of high standard. These days movies like Aashiq banaya aapne, Zaher, Jism and Salam Namaste are successful. So there is no way ID can succeed in this era.

Originally posted by: nikhil81

N Sinha I agree with you but what's the point thinking about Nihira now......

Actually nobody is forcing you to discuss, choice is yours. There is no need to give suggestion to other.

Originally posted by: adwarakanath

I agree with you FM. Btw, are you a fan of Qazi from Fame Gurukul? 😕

Yes I am fan of Qazi from FG, I always told SRGMP, FG and II are 3 different entities with different ingredients. SRGMP is purely a singing competition, that is why always opposed the voting for SRGMP because general public can not judge music by watching on TV, otherwise for judges in earlier round there was no need to put headphone on their ears and keeping eyes shut. And requirement of Fame Gurukul was completely fulfilled by Qazi. And requirement of SRGM has been fuilfilled by Nihira(wonderful singer), Sharib(Good singer), Debu(versatile singer), ID(Good mentor and nice person) , Himani(Very Very good learner, she was nothing before Nihira in the beginning but given good fight) and Hema(Perfect on Sur).

Originally posted by: N Sinha

To understand ID it is important to understand his music...afterall they say music is reflection of your thoughts.
ID is a composer whose music is heavily classical, who else would think of using Ustad Sultan Khan today( for Hum dilde chuke sanam in song Albela sajan aayo re..on raag Ahir Bhairav), because of which he fails to connect with masses. Another example is wo na aayenge palat kar (Devdaas, based on raag Khamaj). Now it goes without saying that these songs are very tough to be sung by masses, another example is tera jadoo chal gaya...which is not attempted even by Sonu Nigam on stage.
If these compositions are by any mean reflection of his thoughts, then I can concur that he needs to connect with masses.
It is more difficult to make songs which are classical in nature & still click with people, this is where RD Burman succeeded in striking a balance, this is where JL clicked to good extent.
When ID had to select a song it is obvious that he will go for a heavy classical esp. when he wanted to showcase Nihira's talent, such as Saathi bhool na jana mera pyaar (Kotwaal saab, 1977).
A tough raag based composition may not have a mass appeal & thats what happened here. But to conclude that ID wanted it the other way, might be overanalysing the situation. I'll maintain that he knew that Nihira's exit was almost certain & he wanted to present her in the greatest way.
IMHO when singers like Nihira are voted out or when a rendition like Saathi bhool na jana fail, it reflects a deper pathology, it means somewhere Hindi music is going downhill everyday. It means songs like Dil fitna or Aashiq Banay Aapne will rule the roast for the time being. It means somewhere people are confusing between a dancer & a singer.

Marketing is the key here.

A good product is not known unless its advertised. Same goes with the arts. Nowadays with audiovisual media, people want something which pleases their ears and pleases their eyes.

As someone said, they also like something simple - which they understand quickly. Apply the same concept to novels and you'll see why a Harlequin Bestseller sells more copies than Booker Prize winner The God of Small Things.

Sad, but true.