The hands you take and the hands you leave Part 63-Updated page 149 - Page 56

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Guys typing from mobile. So short analysis. I read through the posts and people have covered most points. What I want to highlight is the dialogue by anami when she comes to say sorry. I understood my mistake after you were gone. This goes well in line with what jaya had told earlier. Satrupa will die.it also goes well with my theory what ever going to happen to laddo either blame will be on satrupa or she will die protecting ladoo. Vatsalya told he will come to her in a year. Maybe he will take his mother so that his sister realizes what she has done. Anami will have to wade through mostly with poonam and adhi.daamo of anami. Because once satrupa goes anami voice in lm will go.the court rule which she used against them can come against her as pujan or sudha will use it to her advantage. The guardian of chakravyuha will go. To take the power anami will have to fight a hard battle. Yesterday she gave vatsalya guitar to narotham. Her need to fight for narotham trying to give him vatsalya place will cost her a lot. Dadi sees anami-adhi and I feel she will play an important role in bringing adhi to the battlefield to help anami the right way. Yes satrupa going to Benares to bring ladoo and her eyes told something. She is determined. Chakravyuha needs abhi.is ladoo abhi or satrupa the girl who ended up in the mess with half knowledge. Who fought with half knowledge. Now she is tired but doing the ultimate battle so that she might lose as a bahu but win as a woman a mother by sacrificing herself.


This talk about the guardian of the Chakravayuh and Abhimanyu especially has put a thought in my head that refuses to go away.

This is a second generation fight. The original fight was over. It was a brutal one too. But they managed to extract Baldev from Sudha. So who was the guardian of the Chakravayuh then ? I think it is Dadi, then and now. She was protecting Baldev then and Anami now. Dadi is an important player. Satrupa was not even married into the LM family when this started. So what was her role in the original Chakravayuh ? Abhimanyu I think.

Abhimanyu to me means someone who must be sacrificed in the Chakravayuh to break it. Someone young. Satrupa is now a powerful middle aged woman. But at that time, she was a young girl with dreams. The sure way to separate Baldev from Sudha is to marry him off. So Satrupa was the sacrifice, the Abhimanyu that broke the Chakravayuh. It held on for close to 18 years.

When Satrupa uses the word Abhimanyu I was angry at her. But then I thought, no one knows better than her how an Abhimanyu could break the Chakravayuh because she was Abhimanyu once upon a time. The sacrifice. Sacrifice does not always mean death. It could also mean giving up of dreams, a tough life despite great wealth, losses. I always wondered why Vikram gives so much responsibility to Satrupa. She is in effect the LM heir in their generation. Was it a reward for being Abhimanyu ? Will Ladoo be rewarded with wealth and opportunities because he has to sacrifice in some way though he may not die ?

All jumbled thoughts, hope some make sense.
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Posted: 7 years ago
I don't want Satrupa to die ... I hope she doesn't ... the entire show is based on the conflict between mother and daughter. If it takes Satrupa's death to open Anami's eyes, that will be a tragic end to the story.

My random thoughts ...
Satrupa is grey, she is ruthless and strong when it comes to her children ... but she has been running RS for years .. which means she is also intelligent and forward thinking. This is reflected in the respect Vikram Singh shows her. She obviously did not have such good relations with Gayatri ... that may reflect an older woman's thinking that a woman's place is in her home, and not the boardroom ... and the natural resentment of a mother that her son was superceded by another person. But even that relationship has improved now ... both are very much on the same side. But I hope they show more of the ruthless, intelligent woman ... she might not be appreciated by the TRP aunties, but that woman can handle Sudha.

Laddo being Abhimanyu ... Abhimanyu was used to bhed the Chakravyuh, he knew the way in, but not the way out. Laddoo knows Anami ... but will he be enough to open Anami's eyes to Sudha's truth? Or will he get destroyed by Sudha? In the new promo, it's clear that Sudha is taken aback by his arrival ... and Anami left her side immediately she saw Laddoo. So Anami's priorities are clear.

@ mangothyme ... Interesting viewpoint ... that Satrupa was Abhimanyu at one time ... the old, cheerful, laughing Satrupa was sacrificed, to make way for this cold ruthless woman. That old Satrupa was only alive when she interacted with Vatsalya.

In the Mahabharata ... Karna died ... all the sons of the Pandavas also died. The heir, the one who took over the kingdom when the Pandavas left for their heavenly abode ... was Parikshit, the unborn son of Uttara, the widow of Abhimanyu.

Among the three possible heirs ... Anami, Narottam and Avdhoot .. I don't see any of them being worthy of being heir as of now.



Edited by DiyaS - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
@DiyaS, is there any new promo??
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Posted: 7 years ago
There is a promo I saw where Sudha is trying to feed Dahi chawal to Anami and Ladoo runs in saying Anami.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: moonwearer

The Mahabharata speaks of Duryodhan being an amazing husband to Bhanumathi. He treated her with respect and affection. Yet he treated Draupadi with scant respect.

He was benevolent to Karna yet when Krishna urges him to give atleast 5 villages to the Pandavas he refuses even to give five grains of sand.
How we treat those we love or are beholden to is different.
The way we treat others especially those who are different from us whom we dislike defines the kind of person we are.

When we help others knowing they will reciprocate in some way is selfishness. When we mitigate the suffering of others knowing or expecting nothing in return in selflessness.


I think most of us have different standards for family. Avdoot is clear about his priorities when asked to choose, his blood family meaning Pujan and Kamini first, LM people next over workers families.. Anami gives a big baashan about society and knowing Anami 90% of the time she is like that. Even 95%. But those she considers family are not there. Hers is a family of the heart not blood and those members are Ladoo, Panditayen and Pandit.

Now that Ladoo will be there, if any of the bachcha party or Ladoo is in danger and she could only choose one, Anami will instinctively choose Laddoo. Like Anami will save even Dadi if she had a choice between her and Pagli Panditayen. That is why Anami can never give up Pagli Panditayen as mom. All the wealth of LM is not enough to sway her. We love family above all and sometimes it is not a blood relation, but heart. But Anami is like Avdoot deep inside when it comes to family, she will instinctively choose them. Now Avdoot could be bought for enough money but not Anami.

Now who does Narottam consider family will be the game changer in the Chakrayayuh I feel. He did not betray that Baldev stood watching Pujan and Avdoot beat him or Satrupa saving him.
Edited by Mangothyme - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
We forge ties with folks all the time. Some are with family or linked to our bloodline some are the family we choose to give to ourselves which are linked to our heart line or our Dil ka rishta. Those we consider as ours we put above others. In Avdoot case it will be the same as it appears for Satrupa as well.
In Sudhas case it is her self above all others, inclusive of her family as she calls the LM wasis.
In the case of Narotham the only Dil ka Rishta he had was with Vatsalya. Sudha uses him as the means to attain what she wants.

Anami may put needs of family over others. She will also put family over self...something Satrupa has done by staying in this loveless relationship.
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Posted: 7 years ago
@mangothyme I understand you perfectly. I was typing from mobile so I couldnt detail it out. I was talking about the woman who entered her marital life with dreams. Maybe a happy go lucky young girl who entered chakravyuha, who was burned in Chakravyuha, then rose like a phoenix , her innocence dead.
If we think by that philosophy she is bringing Ladoo to kill Anami's innocence, but not Anami's soul. Something will happen. I am not sure what it will be. But with that Anami's ego will go, she will grow from a girl to a woman, she will be wounded, but her soul will be saved so that she does not lose her empathetic nature. Yes it need not be death. But to be frank we need one death. Yes one death is necessary to take the story forward. I dont think it will be Laddoo. Because if Pandityayan sent Ladoo with Satrupa then some conversation has happened between the ladies. We need to see whether we will be told what it is or it will be opened only later.

@vidya dil ka rishta sometimes is blood, sometimes it is others. For Avdhoot it is blood, for Anami it is her pandit, pandhitayan and Laddoo. With all the bhasan if she is given an option between Ladoo and Narotham she will choose Ladoo only. This is where the society thing comes into picture. See according to me there is only a thin line that differentiates good and bad. A very thin line. Do you put yourself before others when it comes to take risk or you make others take the risk for you. For your well being do you intentionally snatch things from others or you are fighting the people who did injustice to you and if someone gets harmed unintentionally you try your best to do something for them.
If you look LM, Vikku had put Satrupa in front for the battle of LM, to clean up the mess his son created. The girl Satrupa was the collateral damage. Her innocence was killed. She was attacked from all sides. But in real sense she was not valued. This is her battle actually, against the system that killed her innocence. More than that of Anami, this is the battle of Satrupa.

@Diya Ladoo is innocent. He is a child. A child we dont know what they see, how they see. But mostly they feel and it is said a child speaks only the truth. Ladoo will feel Sudha is my take. He will feel her and he will want to run away from her. Anami will have to notice, she will have to check why the little kid feels that way. Reason Anami's head rules, but Ladoo's heart rules. Sudha can fool head, but not heart.
Edited by shruthiravi - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: moonwearer

We forge ties with folks all the time. Some are with family or linked to our bloodline some are the family we choose to give to ourselves which are linked to our heart line or our Dil ka rishta. Those we consider as ours we put above others. In Avdoot case it will be the same as it appears for Satrupa as well.

In Sudhas case it is her self above all others, inclusive of her family as she calls the LM wasis.
In the case of Narotham the only Dil ka Rishta he had was with Vatsalya. Sudha uses him as the means to attain what she wants.

Anami may put needs of family over others. She will also put family over self...something Satrupa has done by staying in this loveless relationship.



Vidya, @bold- i don't think NT had any honest relation in his life, not even with his own self.

Sudha had poised him so much& emotionally manipulated him for so long,it won't be surprising if he really feels confused abt his gender & not using that to dupe people. With Vats, while Vats might have been genuine, he knew he was betraying him for his Mom, same with Anami.
He tried to manipulate Vikku & Satrupa multiple times by using Vatsalya's memory.

whether Anami's sincere love will make him trust people first time is something i'm interested.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Yes Simran till this point Narotham has not known the real meaning of love. We need to see when he will realize it.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Saw the new promo. I want to be charitable to Satrupa, she's only trying to bring Anami the love she's missing, which Sudha is exploiting.
Satrupa sprung to action after Adhi said "Anami will go where she finds love and someone got to change to bring change"
she only wants toloosen the emotional grip Sudha has got over Anami now thr' Laddo.She knows she can't compete with Sudha ATM in motherly love.

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