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Posted: 7 years ago
"You have to know the past to understand the present" is a saying by Carl Sagan, an astronomer. This applies to science, fiction and real life for me

One of the strangest things in the Crown is the portrayal of Queen Elizabeth as a mother. She is shown pregnant, even giving birth, but rarely raising her children or even interacting with them. Instead it is husband, husband, husband. She seems to spend all her time creating a relationship with her husband, nurturing it,finding a role for him, things to do for him until they are shown becoming a strong unit at the end of season 2. The reason I think is she saw her parents were both needed to do the job of king of queen even though only one had the title. But there is a price to pay, always a price to pay and Queen Elizabeth paid it with her relationship with her children.

Satrupa was the LM Bahu and a good mom. But she ignored her relationship with Baldev. In fact both did. They both got together to make a legal heir and that was the relationship. But a relationship or a marriage is more than giving a legal heir. Direct parallel to the real life British royal family story of Charles, Camilla and Diana. Satrupa like Diana is the right person on paper, but very wrong for Baldev like Diana was for Charles. It is well documented Charles still loved Camilla through his marriage to Diana even if she was younger and more beautiful, but there was no connection. Do Baldev and Sudha have that ? They were in love. Sudha was Baldev's choice and I do not think that is infidelity because he was not married to Satrupa. But today he could cross the line into it easily. Satrupa dug her own grave.Like Charles and Diana again, though Charles had an affair Diana was not entirely clean herself. She too had multiple affairs. You can justify each of them probably but she too is not without fault like Satrupa here.

I would like to know the past of Satrupa to understand how she became who she is. She has zero reward for being the LM Bahu. What is she getting out of it other than money and power ?

Coming to Ladoo, I remember writing around the time Satrupa brought him to be Abhimanyu that there is a price to pay and it is not always death. Could be disability. I expected something like becoming lame. But this is even better. Now Ladoo's drawings are even more important.

Being in power is tough and some decisions are inevitable even if people do not want to do it, one can't dispute that. But when one deliberately makes a choice like Satrupa did to bring an innocent Ladoo in that is inexcusable. She will pay for it and I think the price will be steep as it should be. Anami need not do anything, Satrupa's conscience will torture her.

Sudha killed her brother today. Like US law states, self defense so justice system will say ok. But killing is never ok. Sudha has become even more enraged. Satrupa because of her one wrong step is surrounded by darkness now. I feel for her, but I think she like all others have to pay a price. There is always a price to pay for wrong doing whatever the reason or motivation. Very good episode again.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

22/12/2017

The hands you leave and the hands you choose. What is seen in LM doesnt happen and what happens is not seen. CVs have perfectly bought the half way mark of this story in tune with the above lines. What did everyone see today. A woman killing and claiming she killed to protect. Yes she killed a criminal, but she is a worst criminal herself and to save herself she killed, not to protect anyone. But what is seen is to protect someone she killed.

Nobody saw the woman who was willing to die and standing in front of her family. Pushing Ladoo, Anami and even Daamo Satrupa stood in the direct line of fire. And that's the difference between Sat and Sudha also. When it comes to herself and family, Sat will protect family and sacrifice herself and when it comes to family and herself Sudha will destroy her family and save herself. But does the world realize this. Does the justice realize this.

Unfortunatley no. Today based on what is seen a criminal is given protection by the rules as it seemed she did an act of self defense. Today Baldev left the hand of the protective Shakthi of LM and took the hand of the destructive Shakthi because he believed she had killed to protect.

A mistake by Satrupa, her choice of head over heart has bought her to this position. She is unable to work with Adhiraj and Pujan had rightly sown the seeds of doubt in Adhi's mind. Pujan unscrewing the chariot of Maa Durga. The power and wealth that carried Satrupa the woman is going to come down. Bahu of LM is going to find herself alone as the vyuha closes around her. Today she told Narotham and Heera singh were sent away by her. But how long she will be keep the mouth of Narotham shut. Narotham might speak and it will again point towards Satrupa. Daamo wont be able to save Satrupa as people will take whatever she says only with a pinch of salt. Her only saviour Ladoo, the innocent child who knows the truth has gone dumb. Illusion of sunset. Voice of Ladoo is the first ray of light. And that voice Bholenath will bring only at the appropriate moment.

Till that voice comes we will have to go through darkness as Anami will have to take a personal journey of finding the truth. A lot of adharma will happen. But then dharma will be powerless, the laws will protect the criminal as based on what is seen that person will not be criminal. Yes we are going to enter the dark phase and it looks interestingly poised. Once again the lines of 1989 MB Katha ye purusharth ki hai, swarth ki, paramarth ki. Let the story plays 1000 times, let it show the same truth of the power of love 1000 times, still we the humans continue to make the same mistake as history repeats itself and even after centuries MB and its learning remain relevant.

shruth v.gud post.👏
tho i agree & also said that only diff btn sudha & satrupa is 2 kill her own family members & innocent ppl but sumwhere i feel if 2morrow satrupa has 2 sacrifice innocent prsn like laddo she will do that.yes she mite kill or get herself killed 4 her family but 2 save her of get anami she mite sacrifice laddoo like innocent prsn.
hopefully satrupa proves me wrong bcoz as a ckt shes v.selfish & ruthless & the way she kept laddoo away from anami just 2 get anami's acceptance is not making me trust her.

@leaves i agree that in all this laddoo was innocent & paid price 4 satrupa's selfishness & stupidity & hypocrisy. ladoo mite prove her innocent but in fact shes not innocent .all this happened bcoz of satrupa's selfishness and it costed poor ladoo.he wud'd been bit stressed after kidnapping but had his voice wid him.

Originally posted by: Mangothyme

"You have to know the past to understand the present" is a saying by Carl Sagan, an astronomer. This applies to science, fiction and real life for me

One of the strangest things in the Crown is the portrayal of Queen Elizabeth as a mother. She is shown pregnant, even giving birth, but rarely raising her children or even interacting with them. Instead it is husband, husband, husband. She seems to spend all her time creating a relationship with her husband, nurturing it,finding a role for him, things to do for him until they are shown becoming a strong unit at the end of season 2. The reason I think is she saw her parents were both needed to do the job of king of queen even though only one had the title. But there is a price to pay, always a price to pay and Queen Elizabeth paid it with her relationship with her children.

Satrupa was the LM Bahu and a good mom. But she ignored her relationship with Baldev. In fact both did. They both got together to make a legal heir and that was the relationship. But a relationship or a marriage is more than giving a legal heir. Direct parallel to the real life British royal family story of Charles, Camilla and Diana. Satrupa like Diana is the right person on paper, but very wrong for Baldev like Diana was for Charles. It is well documented Charles still loved Camilla through his marriage to Diana even if she was younger and more beautiful, but there was no connection. Do Baldev and Sudha have that ? They were in love. Sudha was Baldev's choice and I do not think that is infidelity because he was not married to Satrupa. But today he could cross the line into it easily. Satrupa dug her own grave.Like Charles and Diana again, though Charles had an affair Diana was not entirely clean herself. She too had multiple affairs. You can justify each of them probably but she too is not without fault like Satrupa here.

I would like to know the past of Satrupa to understand how she became who she is. She has zero reward for being the LM Bahu. What is she getting out of it other than money and power ?

Coming to Ladoo, I remember writing around the time Satrupa brought him to be Abhimanyu that there is a price to pay and it is not always death. Could be disability. I expected something like becoming lame. But this is even better. Now Ladoo's drawings are even more important.

Being in power is tough and some decisions are inevitable even if people do not want to do it, one can't dispute that. But when one deliberately makes a choice like Satrupa did to bring an innocent Ladoo in that is inexcusable. She will pay for it and I think the price will be steep as it should be. Anami need not do anything, Satrupa's conscience will torture her.

Sudha killed her brother today. Like US law states, self defense so justice system will say ok. But killing is never ok. Sudha has become even more enraged. Satrupa because of her one wrong step is surrounded by darkness now. I feel for her, but I think she like all others have to pay a price. There is always a price to pay for wrong doing whatever the reason or motivation. Very good episode again.

perfectly said esply abt sudha &satrupa.👏 thatswhy i cudnt connect 2 satrupa & like her.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Athene

Today for me was an episode of undoings. An episode that foreshadows what will lead to each person's downfall because without a downfall there is no winning.

Satrupa - Her protective stance will be her downfall. She will take the bullets, the death, the accusations, and yet never complain. She will not be seen as the saviour even after death. Just look at it today. She stood in front of Anami, Ladoo, and Daamo. She was willing to die for them, but who gets praised? Sudha. Satrupa is an afterthought. She protects, but does not get seen.

Sudha - Her destructive state will be her downfall. It was this very destructive state that led her to shoot her own brother today. She needed her plan to succeed and for that she sacrificed the very person she was probably most capable of loving. This will be her downfall, but even when she dies she will be seen as a protector. As a sacrificer.

Adhiraj - Hearsay will be his downfall. He was led on by Pujan. A few words and he starts suspecting Satrupa of having a hand. But not only that, law will be his downfall. This is LM. This is a Chakravyuh. This is relations and family. There's no space or room for law here, but he sticks to law. He uses law for his fights and that will be his downfall.

Baldev - Outward appearances. Baldev has always relied on believing what he sees. He saw Sudha today as a protector and sided with her. He sees Anami and sees nothing in her and hence he ignores her. He sees Vikram siding by Dheeru and fails to understand the deeper meanings behind it. This will be his downfall.

Pujan - Overconfidence. Pujan is overconfident. He thinks he's the mastermind playing everyone. In reality, he's nothing but a pawn and not in the sense of being used. If LM and Sudha are chess players, Pujan is that pawn that makes a move thinking he can bring the King down and then gets killed. In his overconfidence today he thinks he's bringing Satrupa down, but it's not so easy. Even when she falls, she will rise out of those ashes and beat him at his own game.

Narottam - Keeping quiet. Yes you may think that he kept quiet because he'll attack later, but he keeps quiet and then the time passes to react. This will be his downfall. In the future, if he dies, he will die with the truth hidden deep in his heart. It will never come out. No one will ever know the real Narottam. Because keeping quiet will be his downfall.

Vikram - Blind hatred. Vikram is one who just blindly hates. He hated Anami blindly before opening his eyes. He hates Narottam blindly and continues to do so. He hates Sudha blindly and continues to do so. Anami is the anomaly. Vikram hates but without proper reason. He doesn't like how you look so he hates. That will be his downfall.


I will not discuss Gayatri, Anami, or Ladoo here. Ladoo is a kid and has no downfall because he has an open mind and as a kid gets scared of the appropriate things and people, like Sudha. Anami has already experienced her downfall by bringing Sudha into LM. She is in the trenches now. The only way for her is up. Finally, Gayatri, in my belief, is both a pawn and a mastermind. She's used by Satrupa to emotionally blackmail Anami, but she's also a mastermind because she plays behind the scenes when it comes to Sudha. Gayatri is an intriguing character because so little is known about her that I cannot even predict where her downfall will begin.


Athene, excellent analysis. Have to disagree only on @Blue. Adhiraj was suspicious of Satrupa because of Ladoo being in RS before Pujan. There was no way Ladoo could be inside RS without Satrupa's knowledge or involvement is clear to him. Perhaps he thinks a servant stashed him there, but Adhiraj is also suspicious of Satrupa because she did not bring Ladoo to LM right away and he does not know why. Pujan is only echoing Adhiraj's suspicions.

Anami is going explode when she finds out Ladoo cannot speak and is going hold Satrupa responsible because she brought Ladoo here. if Adhiraj jumps into the wrong conclusions about why Satrupa hid Ladoo, he is going to share it with Anami which will add fuel to the fire. Either way, Satrupa is the one going to be in additional messes because of that one mistake she made.
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Posted: 7 years ago
One thing remains to be seen. Now that Ladoo is in shock and has lost his voice, we have to see how Sat behaves. Whether her practical selfish thinking will ensure that Ladoo continues like this or she feels genuine regret and tries to make him alright or just to come into the good books of Anami she makes him alright. Whilst the first cannot and should not be forgiven and she should suffer a lot (that's how makers need to do); the latter two especially the second one calls for redemption and the last suffer a lot and in the end be forgiven.
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Originally posted by: Janas2017

One thing remains to be seen. Now that Ladoo is in shock and has lost his voice, we have to see how Sat behaves. Whether her practical selfish thinking will ensure that Ladoo continues like this or she feels genuine regret and tries to make him alright or just to come into the good books of Anami she makes him alright. Whilst the first cannot and should not be forgiven and she should suffer a lot (that's how makers need to do); the latter two especially the second one calls for redemption and the last suffer a lot and in the end be forgiven.



I think Sat is confident of Laddoo keeping their secret and will help in his recovery while Sudha tries to keep him mute by her scare tactics. Her head rules her heart, but she's not heartless, plus Dammo her conscience keeper will make her see the follies of her selfish ways.

The irony is these two women help each other in keeping their secrets even as they fight out.😆
Narrotam's kidnapping might never come to light.

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Posted: 7 years ago
Guys I am reading ur replies but a busy weekend so can't reply individually. Also Monday analysis I will put on Tuesday only as it is a holiday weekend.
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Great posts, Shruthi and Shreya. Satrupa has dug a hole for herself and it will be difficult for her to climb out of it. If only she had brought Laddoo back immediately, he would have retained his voice, pointed out PT and Sudha as the kidnappers ... and she would have been the heroine in her daughter's eyes ... as she already is in Laddoo's eyes. But that moment of selfishness in her maternal love made her take a wrong step ... endangered Laddoo and Anami both even more ... and now has landed her in bigger soup.
I don't think Laddoo will betray her ... but he might say something unknowingly which reveals that she hid him ... even before he reveals that it was PT and Sudha who kidnapped him.

Sudha has also landed herself in a big mess ... she killed her co-conspirator and biggest support to save herself. PT might have revealed that Satrupa took Laddoo away much earlier, but he was also ready to reveal Sudha's hand in Vatsalya's murder ... which nobody at LM would forgive ... ever. She has lost Anami's trust to quite an extent ... but Baldev has stepped in to protect her ... for now, she is safe. So the power swing between Sudha and Satrupa continues ... Satrupa has managed to win back Anami from Sudha, but Baldev is swinging back towards Sudha.

I feel the key player will be Narottam, I feel. He did not speak up when questioned by Adhiraj ... Satrupa spoke for him and he did not contradict her. Sudha has to handle him carefully ... he already told her he would not be party to Laddoo's kidnapping.

Adhiraj ... am not impressed with him ... apart from his fighting skills 😛 Suspecting Satrupa is one thing ... and he has reason to do so ... but his focus is at the wrong place if he focuses on her.
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Enjoy Shruthi and an advance Merry Christmas to all of u. :)
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Originally posted by: DiyaS

Great posts, Shruthi and Shreya. Satrupa has dug a hole for herself and it will be difficult for her to climb out of it. If only she had brought Laddoo back immediately, he would have retained his voice, pointed out PT and Sudha as the kidnappers ... and she would have been the heroine in her daughter's eyes ... as she already is in Laddoo's eyes. But that moment of selfishness in her maternal love made her take a wrong step ... endangered Laddoo and Anami both even more ... and now has landed her in bigger soup.

I don't think Laddoo will betray her ... but he might say something unknowingly which reveals that she hid him ... even before he reveals that it was PT and Sudha who kidnapped him.

Sudha has also landed herself in a big mess ... she killed her co-conspirator and biggest support to save herself. PT might have revealed that Satrupa took Laddoo away much earlier, but he was also ready to reveal Sudha's hand in Vatsalya's murder ... which nobody at LM would forgive ... ever. She has lost Anami's trust to quite an extent ... but Baldev has stepped in to protect her ... for now, she is safe. So the power swing between Sudha and Satrupa continues ... Satrupa has managed to win back Anami from Sudha, but Baldev is swinging back towards Sudha.

I feel the key player will be Narottam, I feel. He did not speak up when questioned by Adhiraj ... Satrupa spoke for him and he did not contradict her. Sudha has to handle him carefully ... he already told her he would not be party to Laddoo's kidnapping.

Adhiraj ... am not impressed with him ... apart from his fighting skills 😛 Suspecting Satrupa is one thing ... and he has reason to do so ... but his focus is at the wrong place if he focuses on her.


Very good points.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Satrupa maybe in a mess now but the thing that will save her at the end of the day is that she did not murder anyone, not even Purushotam.
She made clumsy mistakes like handing over Anami to some strangers which is unforgivable.
Her second mistake is handling Laadoo which also could have led to deaths and destruction.

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