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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: flipfl0p

(I had drafted this to post separately. But when I read your post, I attached it as a reply. So few things are repetitive).

Thank you Mahi, enjoyed reading your very unique POV, made me think a bit more on this (as if I hadn't thought enough already ;))

I did say earlier, "I believe Kabir was in love with Shreya. I consider, he is not virgin. I think, there must be some contribution from Kabir's side too for the marriage failure. All this will not stop me from loving KaYa. I accept Kabir with his faults". Areh why did I act like Ananya, without even knowing what he did? 😆

Does that mean you don't love KaYa or accept Kabir anymore 😕


Episode on Friday ended with a cliff hanger, leaving audience to ponder again. "What was that big deal?". But to me, their narration with regards to their love before marriage had nailed it. To me, that was the deal. Shreya was in love with Kabir, ready for the commitment. Kabir was not. Given time, would he have proposed himself? We don't know.
There is always this problem between boys and girls. Priorities for boys in a relation is companionship. But they prefer understanding the girl before committing. Till then, they are commitment phobic. Girls seek security in a relation. Unless they know their boy is committed, they can't be good companions.

Perfectly said. 👏

There was a smile in my face at the end of Friday episode from Ananya's point of view. Shreya might have stayed with him for long, might know Kabir's taste. But at the end of the day it was Ananya, for whom Kabir left his conference to stop her from leaving to confess his love. It was for her, Kabir was ready to let go everything of his, including his ego. Shreya can never say that, despite being with him for years.

I agree, and it is because Kabir never experienced the kind of feelings for Shreya he feels for Ananya. His love for Shreya was an convenience.

So what was Shreya's fault? Do I buy her drunken friend's statement, she married Kabir for a bet? Reading Shreya, she is not that impulsive person to pledge her life and make a decision to stay with a person for a simple bet. She married him for rather simpler reason. She loved him.
Did Kabir love her? May be. May be not. A girl who can be ticked from all standards confessed her love. He could not refuse. He dated her. But a commitment needed love, which had not developed yet. Have heard in several movies. If your love wants to leave you, let it go. If it is true love, it will come back. It was the time when Ananya was about to leave, Kabir confessed. If Shreya had left Kabir during dating for Kabir's commitment issue, would he have realised Shreya's place in his life and gone back to Shreya?

I do believe Shreya started the dating for a bet. But I don't believe she married him for the bet, she isn't that insane or stupid. But it is possible that when Kabir confronted her about the bet, she was left speechless because of the partial truth in the accusation and that made Kabir suspect her intentions? Probably, Shreya turned worse because of the same reason, the guilt of starting the relationship on a false note?

I think Kabir did love her, or atleast he thinks he loved her, but it wasn't a mature love, it needed time and proximity to mature and lead to next phase, which Shreya didn't give him. And marriage changed all the equations and expectations.

To me, this was the big deal. Shreya did not do that. Why? She was insecure. She was not sure, whether he will come back to her. She had gone beyond love. Kabir had become her obsession. She was not ready to take a "No" after her emotional investment. She forced him to marry her. The main deal in their relationship is this marriage, where one was half hearted.

Remaining, I don't buy either of their argument. I can't believe Shreya tried everything including quitting her job for Kabir. After all, she was a woman living in a loveless marriage. She must have taken her frustrations out, with or without her knowledge. Nor I believe Kabir when he says, she kept hurting him intentionally. He was dragged into a relation with half will. The emotions he had during marriage was half love, other half being his insecurity. After marriage, instead of finding opportunities to make his love grow, he found opportunities to make his insecurities grow. He blamed Shreya for everything, including addiction to alcohol. Which addict blames himself for his addiction, that I should buy Kabir's story? After she left him, he wanted to get money, fame and power. So man, you wanted to do it in the memory of the woman who left you? If you had really loved her, you would have done it when she was with you, to please her (like how you accepted the company share, just to see the smile in Ananya).

Ok, I can't say whether Kabir really was finding reasons to make insecurities grow he did say, he thought it was coping up time for Shreya, I am sure his middle class mindset would have triggered to make the marriage work. But his ego and feeling of let down came in the middle after he came to know of the bet. And Shreya for whatever reason couldn't convince him that the bet wasn't true.

I don't think Kabir chased after power because thats what Shreya wanted from him. I think it was because he assumed he and Tarini became victim of the media trial because there were powerless. He wanted to conquer what he considered as his weakness in protecting Tarini.

Lastly, it is not the incident. It is the happenings after the incidence which disturbs me. Tarini and Kabir remained close friends without any awkwardness. There are two possibilities regarding that incidence. One, Tarini gave in unwillingly. If so, it was "rape". You can't forgive your friend so easily, even if he was drunk. Other, she gave in willingly in a slip of moment. I don't accuse her, by becoming moral guardian. To me, it is not the fact that Kabir and Shreya were married. I would have said the same, even if they were in a living relationship. Every relationship demands certain commitment. If you can't promise it, get out of that relationship. Whatever explanation you give will not take away the fact that, you cheated your partner while in a relationship. Lastly Tarini's reaction towards Kabir's revelation. A mom asking a child, "Did you show your homework to the teacher? Was she impressed?". 😲 👏

I agree, :). Tarini always acts like a mother and mentor to Kabir :)

Kabir should have realised what emotional damage he has caused towards Shreya. He felt guilty towards his friend who was with him when he crossed his limit. But not a word of remorse for the woman, who was staying with him. Instead, hatred. Is a confession enough to forget what he did? Yes, she tried to spoil his reputation. Any other woman in her place would have done that. But despite this fact, she did not try to badmouth him in his working environment. Did not see that courteous behaviour from Kabir. Second, feeling guilty towards Tarini did not put him off from flirting with other women. He was carefree. Lastly, when Ananya said she did not want to know his past he just let it go. If he could pressurise Ananya to listen now, he could have made her listen to him before too. He did not have to wait till Shreya tell that to him.

Sorry, I beg to differ here. I think Kabir did feel guilty initially towards Shreya, but not probably as much he should have, that is because the love aspect of thier marriage doesn't exist anymore, he assumed Shreya doesn't love him, so the guilt is only towards not respecting the position of his wife, it wasn't about hurting Shreya's sentiments

I think he flirting with other women, was nothing to do with his desires, but everything to do with his power hungry ways, flirting was another of his tools. I don't also agree that Shreya was courteous to Kabir, in my opinion it was she who brought up their past too many times in the presence of others, whereas Kabir only talked about her to Ananya.

I am not bothering to mention about the bloopers in the story so far. Ananya who followed Kabir for these many years did not know the scandal. Tarini is supposed to be working for Kabir. But Kabir does not know, when she is leaving for assignment.

Coming to Kabir's photograph with Shreya at the end. As I said, Kabir has been her obsession for which she payed (and paying) a heavy price. If she had left his thought out of her brain during her dating period itself, it would have been good for her. But she has not able to do it, despite being divorced. A rich pampered girl, who probably never heard the word "No" or received a rejection earlier, has to accept this bitter truth. How much ever she wishes, she was not and cannot be Kabir's love. That does not mean, she cannot be anybody's love. Right now, she is too bitter about the word "love". I feel, she badly needs a psychiatrist to get over her Kabir's obsession.

Edited by Geetha_R - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mehek25

@Geetha...

Once again no words to express my reactions after reading the post...👍🏼...👏...

You truly are an awesome writer...

Yes of all the mistakes kabir had made the worst was confessing to shreya about his ONS with Tarini...according to him that actually gave shreya the reason to divorce him which she had been looking for since a long time...but that's his version of it...shreya of course is portraying herself as the injured party in this marriage...

Who is right and who is wrong time alone will tell...but I think kabir has stated the entire past as it actually was whereas shreya has put forth her version of it...I mean as she perceives it was...

Maybe shreya is a calculating manipulative person...but she is too shrewd and too clever to show her true face...at least not now...


Thank you 😊

I still think he should have confessed the ONS to Shreya because it did give him too a way out of the marriage. But he should not have mentioned Tarini's name, Shreya didn't need to know that.

Kabir stated the past from his POV, and Shreya stated the relevant (to her machinations) past from her POV ;)
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sona_naksh

such a brilliant writer u are ...loved reading it ...waiting for part 3 also


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: idonkno

Brilliant analysis Geetha! It was great to see and understand the story from your point of view 😊



Thank you!! Missing your detailed reply. Guess everyone is exhausted from writing too many replies in too many posts ;)
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Geetha_R



Thank you!! Missing your detailed reply. Guess everyone is exhausted from writing too many replies in too many posts ;)


Sorry about that. Yes too tired of posting the same stuff over and over again. Did add on what makes me curious regarding the current track while replying to Isabel's post on your thread. Will get back to those detailed mode replies soon.

BTW as per recent spoiler Shreya wants Kabir back (and that wistful expression makes sense now and also that happiness when Kabir remembered her choice in food). I knew the trigger for her to come out in the open would be 'Anita'a approval'. She was way too over-confident that Anita won't give her approval for the man she had described Kabir to be. She will now be so stirred up and she will do anything to harm KaYa professionally and personally (now she will be using people against them and Manav is her first prey)
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Geetha awesome analysis as always!
I actually made a long reply to your earlier post on the episode and am too lazy to rewrite ..so just copy-pasting some bits. But I did find that my thoughts had undergone some changes since I watched the episode and had an immediate reaction to it.

First..the episode itself

I think the truth of Kabir being abused by Shreya being a narrative and not actually a part of a flashback kinda backfired, at least for me, although Rajeev was very convincing with his eyes showing all the pain he must've gone through.. I can't help feeling that it would've been more effective had we seen Shreya in action! 😃. I could have related to the breakpoint or whatever drove Kabir to do what he did had I actually got a glimpse of how much he's suffered at Shreya's hands. I also did not understand why a principled, morally upright and sincere guy like Kabir would have stood for that kind of abuse. Why could he not have walked out? Why was he sticking on? Was Shreya hanging something over him? They could have just separated. What kind of verbal abuse was Shreya inflicting and what kind of damage did it do to him and his professional life? All we know is that he turned an alcoholic and slept with his best friend. I think we would have got a clearer picture if we had actually seen flashback scenes.

Now the Kabir-Shreya marriage: I have to agree with most of your analysis here. What compelled either of them to fall for (or accept the other as a spouse) is up for debate cause we heard two different versions. Shreya saying that they went too far in their relationship (meaning they had pre-marital sex) and that was the trigger for them to get married? And Kabir kinda saying Shreya pushed him into it. I'm sure he played along and was invested too before he married her so all arguments that Shreya somehow tricked him into marriage don't wash. He was grown man and at the time of marrying Shreya was a confident, budding journalist on top of the world! His world was sunny, his outlook was positive. Maybe receiving all the undue attention from Shreya boosted him up further on his ego trip, or maybe he really fell in love with her. That's ok. I agree with what someone said on your thread... its not necessary that both partners fall in love at the same time, sometimes one falls way before the other. Maybe if it wasn't for Shreya's dogged pursuit of Kabir, they would've never gotten married, but I refuse to believe any woman can put herself through a sham of a marriage just for the sake of winning a bet! What was the bet anyway? That she would marry him and dump him and then destroy him? So she was playacting all the while? Really? Then what's she doing back? Why isn't she more pissed at Kabir? How is she even able to look him in the eye without his betrayal washing over her? Why does she want to be friends with Ananya? Why is she not even the slightest bit bitter about her past when Kabir is so filled with hatred for her? When you think of it if Kabir has a reason to hate Shreya, Shreya also has an equally if not bigger reason to hate Kabir. Then why is she sweet-talking him, cosying up to his GF, defending them to all and sundry, buddying up to his GF's mum? Cannot fathom why she would want to do so... unless all of it was a calculated move by her. I can think of two scenarios
1. Shreya did really ruin Kabir's life for a bet but after the divorce she slowly realized what she had done and driven him to and came to regret it (from the way she was looking at his picture wistfully and giving Anita reason to think she still loves him). She's realized she wants him back in her life but for that she needs to destroy Ananya's relationship with him so she's subtly doing that by pretending to befriend everyone and diabolically planning her moves all the time. Like her telling half-truths to Anita among other things.
OR
2. She's been slowly and steadily planning Kabir's downfall all the while... her so-called "revenge" wasn't complete with her constant humiliation of him and driving him in desperation to sleep with his BFF and her consequent grounds for divorce, she still wants to pursue and destroy him completely 😲, so she's back in his life and now is planning her every move to slowly and surely ensure he never gets together with Ananya.
Both scenarios I feel are sooo OTT and hard to fathom. There are loopholes in both. I won't go into them but I'm sure everyone can think of why each would fail. There are logical holes in both. So I'm really at an impasse as far as Shreya's motivations are concerned. WHAT DOES THIS LADY WANT????

Now coming to Kabir... I wonder what made Kabir silently endure all that Shreya was putting him through and not initiate a separation or at least entertain the thought of leaving Shreya if she had indeed made his life a living hell. Why would he take it all quietly? Why would not at least separate from her? Or look for a job in another city? Or do something??? Did something make him feel like he could do better, try harder to make the marriage work? Did he feel he wasn't trying hard enough so he felt guilty and stuck to the marriage? Did he feel like whatever feelings he had for Shreya had long died but he couldn't go as far as leaving her because that would be the final nail int he coffin and out of a misplaced sense of duty he had to stay with her. Did he feel that him falling out of love with her was some kind of moral crime and his only punishment was to stay on with her? Sounds ridiculous to me!
Its hard for me to believe that a self-respecting man like Kabir would keep taking abuse from someone passively just to maintain an external show of sanctity to the marriage! What a crock! He anyway ended up destroying the so-called sanctity by sleeping with another woman. Its not like a bout of self-loathing made him do what he did. He had no reason to hate himself. Didn't he tell Ananya he loves her more than he loves himself? He had done nothing wrong till then. So why did he wait till push came to shove?

Okay, now onto the infamous deed!😆. So Kabir had sex with his friend while he was unhappily married and at extreme emotional moment when he was not wholly in his senses. I initially got the feeling he was drunk when he went over to Tarini's but now realized he didn't explicitly say that to Ananya so I'm a little relieved! How do I feel about this whole thing?

I don't support infidelity. Not at all. No one does. Not even Kabir himself. He knew it was a mistake. It ate him up. And he confessed to his wife immediately. He owned up responsibility. He wasn't going to do this again, nor was he going to carry on an affair with Tarini behind Shreya's back. It happened once, he lost control, he confessed IMMEDIATELY! Not after a day, or a week or a month,but right on the next day. That was how much in his senses he was when he realized what had happened. Which again reinforces the fact that he wasn't in all his senses when it did happen. And this kinda troubles me more than anything. I think I would've been okay if it had just been consensual sex between two adults wholly in their senses. But the fact that Kabir was pushing for it and Taarini gave in kinda makes it more sordid for me. Why couldn't she have resisted? Why would Taarini not stop him if she was in her senses? He was incapable of rational thinking or decision making, fine, but Taarini had her head screwed on right!
Idk, the whole "pushing" element disturbs me more than anything else, especially when Kabir said "Usne mujhe samjhaaya par main maana nahi" or something like that..which implies force or that Taarini was under duress. I just hate this thought more than anything else! One may argue that Kabir was emotionally at an all time low and was driven to an extreme. Which makes it all the more harder to accept Tarini's passive playing along! She could have donned the hat of responsibility! Yes, I understand that it was Kabir who was emotionally distraught and she was thinking of him and what he needed, but did this girl have no sense of self-preservation? For a woman, the act of sex is still a big deal and I believe (or at least I'd like to believe) that there would need to be an emotional connect for a woman to willingly sleep with someone. I know casual sex is still not a big deal for many, and people do it all the time, but seeing what we have to Tarini, its unfathomable that she would enter into it. Unless she had feelings for Kabir. And that makes it doubly worse for me. If she indeed "let" Kabir have his way with her because she was in love with him, that makes her the worst kind of doormat. She's letting him "use" her and the feminist in me abhors this thought more than anything else! And the easy camaraderie that they now share makes it hard to believe that Taarini indeed loved Kabir. So I'm accepting that she didn't. Which makes the night together again hard to believe. If she wasn't swayed by feelings and knew that Kabir wasn't in his right mind and that they would both regret it, why didn't she try harder to stop it? Was she overcome with passion suddenly? But it was an emotional release for Kabir, we know that. So what was it for Taarini? Is she so magnanimous that she would let a friend use her body for solace without even a thought for herself and what it would do to her? And if he didn't leave her a choice and and pushed at it so much that she had to give in (like Kabir's narrative implies) it make me sooo uncomfortable! IDK, I have become very sensitive to anything that even implies a bit of force or non-consent, so this bit bothers me the most.

Kabir and Taarini
I agree that in all this Taarini suffered the most. I don't find her still being best friends with Kabir as anything weird like other forum members. They have an equation that speaks of comfort, camaraderie and companionship. Which is great. But Taarini didn't just sleep with her best friend. She endured all the trauma and mudslinging that his venomous wife threw at her. And still she stayed loyal. Was she somehow feeling guilty too? Did she think she deserved it and that's why she endured all the shame of it without a murmur? I don't know. I haven't understood Taarini enough. Or was she worried that if let go of Kabir too he would totally break? Is it possible for someone to be sooo generous without a thought for self-preservation? Is Taarini a terribly unrealistic character? Why would she put herself through so much trauma and continue to stay loyal to Kabir without feeling the slightest bit of resentment? I did have a crazy thought that she might have hooked up with Shreya to bring about his downfall and still continues to maintain the facade of friendship while passing on info to Shreya about Kabir. IDK..IDK..sounds too Kektaish...but right now its the only way I can understand Taarini and why she did what she did.

I made another post yesterday about whether we'd be judging Kabir so harshly had he slept with a hooker that night. He needed the warmth and solace of a physical connection but he also needed to have an emotional connect , so Taarini was the only choice. He may not have intended to sleep with her when he went to her house, but along the way extreme need took over and he ended up doing so.

About them continuing to be friends, well, it maybe weird to some, but if its not weird to the two people involved then it shouldn't be weird to anyone else. The CVs decided to make the Kabir-Taarini relationship platonic except for the one night of aberration. Which is possible ONLY if there are no lingering feelings in either of them. Their continuing comradeship only reinforces this. The physical hugging, touching etc is also platonic and is intended to be taken as such. But again how is one of them sure about what the other feels or doesn't feel? Taarini would know, because Kabir confessed to being in love with Ananya. But does Kabir know for sure that Tarini doesn't love him? Did something happen that we weren't told about? Did he make her an offer of marriage to protect her reputation and did she turn him down? It would be remiss of Kabir to watch what was happening to his BFF thanks to him and at least out of a sense of guilt offer to marry her! They may have talked about it and decided it was a bad idea but do the CVs want us to believe that Kabir didn't even think about it? That paints him in a very poor light.

Kabir
Also agree with what you said about Kabir confessing to Shreya being a kind of mistake. He wanted to come clean, he knew it was a betrayal of his marriage vows and had no intention of hiding it and wanted to clear his conscience. But did he spare a thought to what it would do to Taarini? Did he actually stop to think that he would be bandying an innocent woman's name and her reputation? And that too his best friend? Was he really that naive to think that Taarini would remain unscathed by it all or that he would be able to protect her? *Sigh*
And..and... if indeed Kabir Sharma's conscience is indeed so prickly that he had to immediately confess his adultery to his wife, why then did this same conscience not urge him to tell Ananya everything the very first day that he confessed his feelings to her? Why did he so passively accept her insistence that she did not want to know? He's the only one who knew the gravity of what transpired. He should have known Ananya couldn't make an informed decision about their relationship and whether to take it forward unless she knew the entire truth. He had no way of knowing if she would judge him or not, of how she would react, if she would care or not once she knew all of truth. Didn't he say before he began his story that he knew that there was every chance Ananya would reject him and he was ready to accept that decision too with a smile. Because he still felt what he did was wrong.
I strongly feel if this was Kabir's past he owed it to Ananya to tell her all of it before he even embarked into a relationship with her. Its unfair to tell her now when she's already in too deep. He had to tell her when he first confessed and she reciprocated. She may have felt differently then. He left it too long. What if Shreya hadn't come back? Would he have been content to let things lie? Taarini was right there! And Ananya had no idea they had had a physical relationship. I know she said she's thought about it and didn't care. But ..but..but... its one thing to speculate and decide you don't care and another to actually know the truth and then have to decide if you do care!

I do admire Kabir for owning up to his mistakes. And not shying away or running away from his responsibility. And standing by Taarini. It takes guts to do that. He made a mistake he didn't mean to, and he paid heavily for it. I think that's a lesson learnt for him, that he will never ever do it again... once bitten, twice shy! 😆 . But again the afterthought.. what if sub-consciously or even consciously he KNEW Shreya would react the way she did? And grant him the reprieve he was so looking for? He should have known she's not going to be all-forgiving and welcome him with open arms. Was he hoping for that, that she would be the one to initiate the divorce and he was helping her along by providing a strong case for it? In that case, again Taarini is a pawn and I feel terrible for her!

Ananya:
Her acceptance of Kabir's past felt too prompt for me to digest at first.
I initially felt that Ananya hadn't thought this through. Her immediate acceptance of Kabir's past somehow didn't ring true. She could've taken some time to mull over it. It would be totally understandable if she did. Of course, its not her he cheated on with Taarini. So it didn't affect her and she has no reasons to doubt the veracity of Kabir's feelings for her. But Taarini's continued presence in his life should've given her pause. At least to tell him that she wanted to meet her and get to know her. In the end, Ananya was the bigger person for brushing it all off and the spontaneity with which she accepted it all actually makes her sooo magnanimous and understanding and a better person than most of us for not judging him on his past (mis)deeds.
Then came this creeping thought that now their relationship is again imbalanced. I remember a lot of us feeling that Ananya doesn't look as invested as Kabir and she needs to do more. Now she has. Idk how that makes me feel. Kabir now will have a sense of gratitude mixed up with his feelings of love and admiration for Ananya. I'm sure Ananya would never hold it over him but Idk if that gives their relationship a unequal footing? *Shhh go away..bad thought!*😡
I find it funny that Kabir told her not so long ago that ""dil bada hona chahiye par itna bhi nahi" and now isn't he expecting her dil to be bada enough to forgive him his transgression?


Edited by LizzieBennett - 10 years ago
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👏Brilliant post...what a writer you are Geetha and hats off to your patience in putting it down here.
Somehow I am too shocked to even think about any other relationships of Kabir...be it with Shreya...his Brother...Tarini...Ananya...etc...I just can't seem to get it out of my mind that Kabir had a weak moment with his best friend as they claim and even after that they remain close friends without anyone having any other feelings for each other...why but why...I cannot imagine Tarini having any feelings for someone like Kabir the most happening reporter and who is drop dead handsome......

Somehow from the time I saw it totally disappointed...from the time I am hooked to Reporters have been watching non stop the repeats in youtube and like it a must watch before going to sleep...but no last night did not watch it and today too while I watched it at the back of my mind this nightmare had been going through...

I am unable to understand why the CV's kept showing as if it was due to Shreya ..Kabir had to break off his marriage..while no amount of abuse,,ego clashes could be greater than the adultery he committed...it is not something like a 2 minute thing...for this to happen the man and the woman have to go through the while circus and it was not even mentioned if Kabir was in an inebriated state and what about Tarini she was fully in her senses...is this the only way to take our one's frustration...the CV's so far stuck to reality but is this the way real people go about when they cannot get along with their spouses...pity they went the filmy way...

Coming back to Rajeev I would applaud his guts to take up this role...but somehow don't know am I more disappointed as it is Rajeev playing this role or if Kabir Sharma...oof totally confused...

anyways would like to still watch the show and hope the makers don't give us more twists and play with the feelings of us fans..since it is not just the actor we get attached to the character they play too...anyways great posts and comments...loved to read everyone's perspective...and hope all take it as everyone's point of views and not try to judge each other from the posts...


Always a Rajeevian...and just love him...
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Brilliant Post 👏 Loved reading your POV 👍🏼
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👍🏼 I am speechless.
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Geetha..not sure if you are on FB but a part of your post has been pasted there..😕

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