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Posted: 11 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: Erika1

I think its about her challenging him and ultimately a sort of physical attraction that had nothing to do with love to begin with.😉

Where as that other woman gave in to him of her own free will rather quickly, since they knew each other for eight years and had a sexual relationship for the same amount of time, she did not challenge him, but rather fell in with his plan. We can't say because she is from a rural area that means that she must not have wanted such a relationship to begin with, there is no indication of this to date in the screenplay.

So I have no sympathy for her, but it appears from my point of view after looking at the episode again for a third time, that the hero does care for the other woman, he seems conflicted about her love for him. So perhaps she did penetrate his exterior stone layer in that eight years after all.😉


@ red- Exacty what I thought.. He was too quick to say no when Paro asked if he ever loved Laila and too confused to do anything when Laila force-hugs him.. (That hug looked damn awkward for some reason).

If he is a person capable of emotions he cant say he felt nothing for Laila in all of the eight years.. Whether she has any right to demand the same is an entirely different issue..
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Posted: 11 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: GeoS

u can have only one soul mate all others are just time pass.



Geo!! 😃How are u doing? Is Zeena MIA? I dint see her anywhere for a while..

Ok what I was saying was about logic, but you seem to be a die-hard romantic to consider it..😆 And the time pass thing that is such a guy thing to say.. 😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rehann

Hmmm... why? Nice question...
it's quite cliche or not if i answer it with 'love it what it is... n paro is the one... not Laila even if she spend another 10 year wiith rudra..' but in our reality nothing is that deep... it just how actually the relation from start... for him... they already made some 'MOU' that they just having some 'body' business nothing related to any 'dil' business... or 'tum mere aur main tera' crap...
i'm girl but sorry depth i'm in rudra side for this case. i would say rudra guilty but not fully as how he was before... he never had any 'dil' before.. n for people that repent... that what important to be a human... but still he have to bear something for his entire life.. Karma! Every of our sin come with karma that what i believe... n now it's started already...

n for Laila?she already wrong to accept such benam rishta... n now even worst when she broke the MOU and come with tum mere aur main tera crap... like what kareena dialogue in aitraaz... even i'm woman but when any woman behaved like this... i'm aitraaz!
people will call us s**t if we behave like s**t... that what matter for a human... please love urself before ask anyone to love u... n logically will any guy marry some bar girl that they just want her for fun n she also behave like one... without any commitment? Reality always sound bitter


Rehann!!! First of all 🤗

I wouldn't say Rudra is guilty either to Laila or to Paro. He has been honest enough to both of them..

Rehann if you have even a pet turtle for 8 years wont you have some feelings for it? Laila is a living- walking- talking woman.. He may not owe her anything but isn't he lying to himself when he says their relation was entirely bandhan free.. If it was like that why go back to the same woman for 8 years, there would have been women of Laila's type around..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SanzBarbie

I would say it's the age old male attitude that anyone will do in bed but a wife has to be pure and chaste !!


That was my knee jerk reaction too but somehow i dont know if its just wishful thinking but i feel its more than that..

May be its just i want to think he is a better person than that.. That he is capable of emotions..

Plus how does the "Khoobsurat aurat" factor play into all this??


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: StripePurple

The most correct answer to your very valid questions would be: Desi Soap Logic. Where the woman who is portrayed as the true soul-mate has to be some or the other devi ka roop. Chaste, sacrificial/accommodating, one-man woman who will sometimes become Durga/Chandi to deal with the villain. I don't remember the last time I saw a heroine on a Hindi soap who is genuinely flawed in the same vein as dark, intense heroes like Rudra are. A female character of this type is always the vamp of the Laila-mould- who is either completely Westernised, and/or is sexually aware/active. What we find hot in the hero is condemnable in the heroine. Hypocritical but it's a fact borne out on all these shows.


Well yeah that looks to be an obvious conclusion at the end of the day but i just wanted to give them the benefit of doubt.. May be they have intended something more..

My point is if Rudra did feel something the conflicting emotions of the 3 characters would be something to explore, although with Ankita as Laila I dont have much hope of anything..

Desi-soap logic is because that's what sells.. Even when Western shows/movies are adapted (in their words "inspired") desi ones, they always make sure the FL is the symbol of purity and innocence.. Which again questions the maturity of the audience.. But well that's an entirely different discussion..
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Posted: 11 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: Msfrootie



Rehann!!! First of all🤗

I wouldn't say Rudra is guilty either to Laila or to Paro. He has been honest enough to both of them..

Rehann if you have even a pet turtle for 8 years wont you have some feelings for it? Laila is a living- walking- talking woman.. He may not owe her anything but isn't he lying to himself when he says their relation was entirely bandhan free.. If it was like that why go back to the same woman for 8 years, there would have been women of Laila's type around..

🤗 😳
So ur problem is when he said he felt nothing for this whole 8 years right? I know i might sound bit biased if i say this but that's man nature... they can sleep with anyone even without love... n stay for 8 years without love is not impossible... not even man but sometime woman also can't bring herself to love her life partner even after many years stay togther... it's same thing happen to mala ji... rudra mom i guess... she can't bring herself to love her husband even after many years tgther... if we say about logic we can't find the end here because life always come out of logic...

n reason why he goes only to laila for this 8 years why not other free n easy ladki? Can anyone go away from such crazy woman? 😆
n u worried if he ever felt anything for her? Did u remember last time after they slept tgther? How rude he chase her away after done with his 'business'... have anyone who love someone will ever behave like this... for him she just a s** machine who he used to fulfill his 'need'... for man need n love really can differentiate... not like us...
When u want to talk about logic... it's always bitter n thats what happen...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Because he did not go to her for comfort. He did not go to her to feel better about himself. He just went there to lose his mind, and by his own admission, get drunk and indulge his demons. And lets make no mistake, she did exactly the same. She was the live manifestation of the demons in his mind.
Watch her as she laughs manically, treating Paro as less than human. Her risky role as a khabri is exactly like him too, living your job in the face of death and fear. But the fear of the dark shapes in their minds just never went away, because they have suppressed their hearts and souls for so long.

Its like watching tv mindlessly, just to feel numb.


But then he found light and salvation and love. And she did not. Damned if she is going to just let him walk away! What about her? The hole he left her in? She still has those demons. And old habits die hard.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#18

Originally posted by: napstermonster

I would skip past the obvious responses of divine love and previously ordained recognition of soul mates and go to what I think is at the inherent core of this relationship--



Protector and Innocent.


I doubt if the issue was even that of Parvati's virginal status or her admittedly knockout beauty. The issue is that of her vulnerability, and his ability and his need, to protect that vulnerable woman. The man is trained to protect. It is bred into him, as a member of the army, as Dilsher's son who has had to watch over an alcoholic father, has had to feed him and take even his parent around with him everywhere. The profession he has chosen serves this need in Rudra--the need to be needed, to be the one who is trusted by others to protect and defend. She appeals to him from the second he sees her, in his rear view mirror, as a helpless, terrified innocent about to be attacked. From that point, every time he sees her, it is in a situation that needs him to intervene--whether she knows it or not.


And the fact she is unaware of her danger makes him even more rabid when it comes to protecting her--because her innocently walking into fire undermines HIM, his duty to her, to her safety. He takes his "job," any thing he undertakes to do dead seriously...and the moment he sees Paro, her safety is as much an obsession with him as the BSD is.


His initial instinct, as a man, is to cherish and watch over his woman. Laila gave him absolutely no scope for this in the past, she was if anything, too independent, following him through postings and showing up in tents. Nor does she, in her current avatar, convince him of her helplessness. With marks on her back and a cut lip, Laila still cannot make him believe that she needs his protection. As he says--he knows her better than she knows herself.


Paro, from the beginning, was his, to protect, to defend and to watch over. This was the one way to his heart--through his job, and his nature. She got through on both counts.

Gotta admit, I think the sexy kamariya didn't hurt,either...


Okay that kind of explains things, but then is a man's ego so fragile that he cant handle the independence and self-reliance in a woman? But then that is the stereotype of male lead in every love story.. More so in case of Rudra i guess..

This explanation actually makes me feel bad for Laila (for the first time). If a girl's being independent or having her own mind,her own opinions and the courage and capability to carry out what she wants makes her less worthy of a man's affections, its a sad sad world..

No offence intended, i was merely thinking aloud..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rehann

🤗 😳
So ur problem is when he said he felt nothing for this whole 8 years right? I know i might sound bit biased if i say this but that's man nature... they can sleep with anyone even without love... n stay for 8 years without love is not impossible... not even man but sometime woman also can't bring herself to love her life partner even after many years stay togther... it's same thing happen to mala ji... rudra mom i guess... she can't bring herself to love her husband even after many years tgther... if we say about logic we can't find the end here because life always come out of logic...

n reason why he goes only to laila for this 8 years why not other free n easy ladki? Can anyone go away from such crazy woman? 😆
n u worried if he ever felt anything for her? Did u remember last time after they slept tgther? How rude he chase her away after done with his 'business'... have anyone who love someone will ever behave like this... for him she just a s** machine who he used to fulfill his 'need'... for man need n love really can differentiate... not like us...
When u want to talk about logic... it's always bitter n thats what happen...


You're right we cant always find logic in emotions..

Fianlly does it all come back to soul mates then? Feeling less commitment less Rudra meets his soul mate and all of a sudden he gets a heart ttransplantation into the space that was vacant and falls in love with her. Mala aunty could never bring herself to love Dilsher but meets soul mate Thakur-sa and love is in the air..

Sometimes we just cant explain why we develop instant dislike for some people in one meeting and instant liking for others..

@ bold- How did he put up with her for 8 yrs.. For his sake I hope her craziness is of recent onset..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Oldestfan

Because he did not go to her for comfort. He did not go to her to feel better about himself. He just went there to lose his mind, and by his own admission, get drunk and indulge his demons. And lets make no mistake, she did exactly the same. She was the live manifestation of the demons in his mind.

Watch her as she laughs manically, treating Paro as less than human. Her risky role as a khabri is exactly like him too, living your job in the face of death and fear. But the fear of the dark shapes in their minds just never went away, because they have suppressed their hearts and souls for so long.

Its like watching tv mindlessly, just to feel numb.


But then he found light and salvation and love. And she did not. Damned if she is going to just let him walk away! What about her? The hole he left her in? She still has those demons. And old habits die hard.


Well that seems true enough.. So she also a habit of his not his liking, like the burnt aloo ki sabzi..


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