RangRasiya Creativity missing a Woman's touch - Page 3

SJ sa,

Great point that about not getting an accurate understanding of why Paro is the way she is and her inner turmoils et al. But I really think that some of the crappiest women characters have been written when women have been at helm (unless we are referring to Jane Austen). So, I would say a better understanding of women is lacking, which any reasonably sensitive male should manage just fine 😆

i like how Rudra is defeated many times in the show...he is not always the winner and he has flaws...It is from episode 1 the story about Rudra.. and how Paro is part of him...I am enjoying the episodes..:)

I never thought of it in this way. I mostly do agree with you. There's something about Paro that I don't seem to understand. There's some major disconnect. I do feel this is specific to RR because on on an earlier show, I hated what the female character did. But I could still see why she did those things. Right now, I have no idea what Paro is all about and it's been 3 months. The things Rudra said to her yesterday are level 1 insults that were expected (not acceptable, but obvious). Her sudden shift, however, was bizarre to me. I understand she's innocent, naive, and has a strong sense of loyalty and blind faith. Fair enough. But is there a reason why she's holding off proving herself innocent? Again, I can see the pehle kyun nahi bataya criticism being hurled at her on the show. If we do a comparative situation analysis, Paro has lost much more than Rudra has, at least in these last few days. I do appreciate her spirit, but she just comes across as- I dunno- flat in her stubbornness.

I don't have issues as such with the romance because this is the fare I've always been served on TV. Not that I don't want anything new, but all of this is standard. The isolated events make sense, the overall umbrella of the hate probably doesn't.

Laila is always my favourite. If there is a character they are "butchering" it's her. Maybe it's to appease the TRP audience, or something, who would always question Laila morally. Big disappointment there. And Mohini. She's cute in her bonding with Sumer, but even that is rather materialistic. She could have been mother to Maithili, and neighbour to Sunehri and I couldn't have told the difference.

Having given all this bhaashan, I know that these CVs are an experienced lot, there are a couple of women on the block. I know their shows have painted characters well in the past. Then is it some one person's upper hand in telling the story? I don't know, can't figure it out right now. If a woman's perspective is the numero uno aim on the To-do list of daily soaps, RR is lagging behind.

It could be the lack of women's touch, or something else. Yesterday Napster pointed out that the audience base is slightly older than what we had on the other show. I guess we expect some maturity here- we need a little more than teenage romance, or direct rip-offs from M&B's. In contrast, if they ARE targeting young, or even international audience, how is the heavy dependence on Hindu mythology going to help (where I need Google baba's aid often, despite being a Hindu, brought up in India)? I just think it's confused interest at play here. They really need to finalise what they want, and not bow down to every small viewer tantrum. They will end up ruining the story otherwise.

P. S. This is one of the most brilliantly articulated posts I've seen, SJ. Excellent clarity. Thanks for discussing this, because negativity or not, healthy interaction is required. I'm sure we can handle non-fan girl posts with civility.

Bang on post SJ!
I have been trouble following Paro's character for quite some time. To some extent her behaviour could be justified, and I did, defending her everywhere I thought was possible. But her mental conditions, her thought processes are so poorly portrayed that one can only so far try to decipher her logically.
As I have said elsewhere before, her thought procceses were totally unclear during the wedding track. I assumed a lot, and yet ok I somehow bore with it. Now again she has lost me, the best O could come up with was that her actions can still be justified as post traumatic stress disorder but again I can't be sure coz of her frustatingly hazy thought process, thanks to CVs.
About Laila, I don't think I can ever forgive the CVs for butchering her beautiful character so mercilessly. That story had ample scope but it fell prey to the very poor portrayal of mindless vamps so typical to low grade saas bahu dramas. The beautiful OSes by napster did give me some closure but I would have preffered to watch her story on TV as well.

Great post! In a review of a movie R Rajkumar , a reviewer wrote how the director was aiming at getting a high point in every scene ( no matter if the scenes did not add up) and I am getting the feeling that the CVs are doing this to every episode to gain eyeballs.

Originally posted by: napstermonster

Serial Junkie:

Before you ask for a woman's touch, I must remind you of our traumatic history, our scarred past--no, we didn't lose parents to the Thakur's small member and large massacre of 1985. But I remind you of Gul Khan, and how a strong female actress playing a beloved female protagonist in a female produced show does not a female friendly product make. Your points will resonate with every other poster here. But I want to play devil's advocate and ask you--why? Why do we need a female voice in a show that has started on the premise of a man binding a woman to his vehicle and carting her off as a prize of war? There is no bigger indication to any thinking woman that this woman will not be --emancipated, She is never more objectified than on the back of that jeep.

I would argue that very objectification makes her mysterious, desirable, and the blank canvas for Rudra to project every desire, every (childish) dream of a perfect woman. She is instant wish fulfillment--get a virginal bride, take her to your stronghold, and she will be yours forever. Romance bestsellers have been written on less-so why not this show?


The premise is deliberate. And it was written by very clever men, with a surprising grasp of child psychology, a definite Oedipus complex and an unhealthy attachment to that beefy Mahadev fellow on Life-Ok. The premise has also been quite consistent--I dont believe the show is going down a rabbit hole, I see markers all along this path. And the role she has---The Bride--prevents Paro from existing as a flesh and blood woman. If she is in a dark ally, she must know in her heart that Rudra will teleport in to save her. if she is being accused of being a wh**e, her purity will prevent her from understanding the meaning of the word. She is so untouched, she is a vestal virgin at her God's feet. And her "flesh and blood man" treats her like one, when he is not also treating her in a manner that makes her feel "uii maa" without knowing what that suspicious twinge exactly is.


The mythology I've been forced to wikipedia for the past 3 weeks makes me also say-- given the fantasy elements they are weaving--she CANNOT be a real woman and get this specific man at the end of 2 years and a 20 year leap. She must be this Paro, the aggressively pure, virginal goddess of womanhood--who cannot be touched by another man, much less desire one--and who must shout this from the rooftops. And from what I understand, a virginal goddess is so self sacrificing, she is basically incapable of even protesting her abuse, much less fighting against it.


Practically, Paro has to be shown like this to counter the women our hero has encountered along the way.The women in Rudra's life have been ferociously damaging--we have the scorpion aunt who poisons a suffering child and taking away the last of his childhood. We have a selfish, amoral mother with breath-taking delusions. Who first adores the son and then drifts out the door one fine day. The actress playing her is pretty good so I buy her lack of even the slightest concern for her son's possible reaction--I find that deliberate. Ad then we have Laila, the coarse desert creature who embodies all the lusts of the flesh that (presumably) beautiful women feel. Who has given this man NSA sex and 8 years of crazy in one immoral role.

RangRaisya is based in a man's world, about aggressively manly things, but it it still a story about one man's ultimate prize, and salvation--through his prize. You did not see a female BSD officer, even in the heyday of the first week when they spent 5 crores to give it a serious sendoff. But the woman who inhabits the role of the hero's prize--she must be everywoman, to make up for the lack --the mother, the sister, the daughter, the wife, the lust object and wh**e, the venerated goddess and even symbol of the motherland.

They need to up Sanaya's rate to reflect her seventeen different roles here. Unfortunately, real flesh and blood woman, with a woman's issues, desires, feelings, fears and triumphs--not one of them.

Hi,
Awesome, can you make this as a seperate post, this needs to be read by all. Please.

Originally posted by: napstermonster

Serial Junkie:

Before you ask for a woman's touch, I must remind you of our traumatic history, our scarred past--no, we didn't lose parents to the Thakur's small member and large massacre of 1985. But I remind you of Gul Khan, and how a strong female actress playing a beloved female protagonist in a female produced show does not a female friendly product make. Your points will resonate with every other poster here. But I want to play devil's advocate and ask you--why? Why do we need a female voice in a show that has started on the premise of a man binding a woman to his vehicle and carting her off as a prize of war? There is no bigger indication to any thinking woman that this woman will not be --emancipated, She is never more objectified than on the back of that jeep.

I would argue that very objectification makes her mysterious, desirable, and the blank canvas for Rudra to project every desire, every (childish) dream of a perfect woman. She is instant wish fulfillment--get a virginal bride, take her to your stronghold, and she will be yours forever. Romance bestsellers have been written on less-so why not this show?


The premise is deliberate. And it was written by very clever men, with a surprising grasp of child psychology, a definite Oedipus complex and an unhealthy attachment to that beefy Mahadev fellow on Life-Ok. The premise has also been quite consistent--I dont believe the show is going down a rabbit hole, I see markers all along this path. And the role she has---The Bride--prevents Paro from existing as a flesh and blood woman. If she is in a dark ally, she must know in her heart that Rudra will teleport in to save her. if she is being accused of being a wh**e, her purity will prevent her from understanding the meaning of the word. She is so untouched, she is a vestal virgin at her God's feet. And her "flesh and blood man" treats her like one, when he is not also treating her in a manner that makes her feel "uii maa" without knowing what that suspicious twinge exactly is.


The mythology I've been forced to wikipedia for the past 3 weeks makes me also say-- given the fantasy elements they are weaving--she CANNOT be a real woman and get this specific man at the end of 2 years and a 20 year leap. She must be this Paro, the aggressively pure, virginal goddess of womanhood--who cannot be touched by another man, much less desire one--and who must shout this from the rooftops. And from what I understand, a virginal goddess is so self sacrificing, she is basically incapable of even protesting her abuse, much less fighting against it.


Practically, Paro has to be shown like this to counter the women our hero has encountered along the way.The women in Rudra's life have been ferociously damaging--we have the scorpion aunt who poisons a suffering child and taking away the last of his childhood. We have a selfish, amoral mother with breath-taking delusions. Who first adores the son and then drifts out the door one fine day. The actress playing her is pretty good so I buy her lack of even the slightest concern for her son's possible reaction--I find that deliberate. Ad then we have Laila, the coarse desert creature who embodies all the lusts of the flesh that (presumably) beautiful women feel. Who has given this man NSA sex and 8 years of crazy in one immoral role.

RangRaisya is based in a man's world, about aggressively manly things, but it it still a story about one man's ultimate prize, and salvation--through his prize. You did not see a female BSD officer, even in the heyday of the first week when they spent 5 crores to give it a serious sendoff. But the woman who inhabits the role of the hero's prize--she must be everywoman, to make up for the lack --the mother, the sister, the daughter, the wife, the lust object and wh**e, the venerated goddess and even symbol of the motherland.

They need to up Sanaya's rate to reflect her seventeen different roles here. Unfortunately, real flesh and blood woman, with a woman's issues, desires, feelings, fears and triumphs--not one of them.

U know i really really really respect u tht u r courageous enough to bring up a valid point pointing towards the sheer loopholes and lack of sensitivity on the Creatives part... among the plethora of posts which involve ONLY justifying the show, the characters, overlooking evn 1% sense and logic,,,

One has to evn think 100 times before making such a topic ,, bcoz it is difficult to put across ur point without being called names and that u r just NITPICKING ,,,,

i always assumed that Creatives tend to butcher a character or shd i say, they get confused as to how to bring a continuity in the story after a certain time period when they dont understand how to take it further,,, fair enough,,,,

but this show , just 3 months old,,, and i hav nothing to say,, Yesterday's episode was a sheer let down,, Paro is just a caricature, a dummy who is molded in order to accommodate the pace of the story with whatsoever no sensibilities of its own,, it feels like her ultimate aim is to win Rudra,, and then she can take sanayaas for all a tom , dick or harry can care,,, Bas life main aur kuch hai hi nahi,,, neither infront nor behind,,, It felt so suffocating to watch someone impose herself on a man who is continuously hurling every kind of humiliation ,,,( Sometimes i wonder tht Why is Sanaya always fascinated by the scripts which involve a hero insulting the heroine and this mindless push n pull )... I am in no way against a woman seeking forgiveness for her faults and proposing a man,, but the way it has been portrayed and executed was just so OTT,,, Paro was looking like a pest who is just not ready to leave u and will cling on to u till she pleases,,, or like a mad impatient child who is on a mission to irritate everyone and get them to fulfill her whims and fancies,, it was not evn entertaining yar evn if we try to keep our brains aside,,,

I DID NOT sign up to watch a story inspired by Shiv parvati,, Those who know abt Shiv parvati would rather watch mythological shows who deal with this subject,, and those who are not aware abt them wont evn understand any head or tail ... what was the need for bringing up such symbolism,, ???

I swear i will go crazy if Sanaya or any other person says again tht they are SHOCKED tht WHY the show is not garnering TRPs,, i mean if the makers believe tht this kind of stuff will fetch them numbers, appreciation and awards, then i am seriously appalled.. 😔

Originally posted by: napstermonster

Serial Junkie:

Before you ask for a woman's touch, I must remind you of our traumatic history, our scarred past--no, we didn't lose parents to the Thakur's small member and large massacre of 1985. But I remind you of Gul Khan, and how a strong female actress playing a beloved female protagonist in a female produced show does not a female friendly product make. Your points will resonate with every other poster here. But I want to play devil's advocate and ask you--why? Why do we need a female voice in a show that has started on the premise of a man binding a woman to his vehicle and carting her off as a prize of war? There is no bigger indication to any thinking woman that this woman will not be --emancipated, She is never more objectified than on the back of that jeep.

I would argue that very objectification makes her mysterious, desirable, and the blank canvas for Rudra to project every desire, every (childish) dream of a perfect woman. She is instant wish fulfillment--get a virginal bride, take her to your stronghold, and she will be yours forever. Romance bestsellers have been written on less-so why not this show?


The premise is deliberate. And it was written by very clever men, with a surprising grasp of child psychology, a definite Oedipus complex and an unhealthy attachment to that beefy Mahadev fellow on Life-Ok. The premise has also been quite consistent--I dont believe the show is going down a rabbit hole, I see markers all along this path. And the role she has---The Bride--prevents Paro from existing as a flesh and blood woman. If she is in a dark ally, she must know in her heart that Rudra will teleport in to save her. if she is being accused of being a wh**e, her purity will prevent her from understanding the meaning of the word. She is so untouched, she is a vestal virgin at her God's feet. And her "flesh and blood man" treats her like one, when he is not also treating her in a manner that makes her feel "uii maa" without knowing what that suspicious twinge exactly is.


The mythology I've been forced to wikipedia for the past 3 weeks makes me also say-- given the fantasy elements they are weaving--she CANNOT be a real woman and get this specific man at the end of 2 years and a 20 year leap. She must be this Paro, the aggressively pure, virginal goddess of womanhood--who cannot be touched by another man, much less desire one--and who must shout this from the rooftops. And from what I understand, a virginal goddess is so self sacrificing, she is basically incapable of even protesting her abuse, much less fighting against it.


Practically, Paro has to be shown like this to counter the women our hero has encountered along the way.The women in Rudra's life have been ferociously damaging--we have the scorpion aunt who poisons a suffering child and taking away the last of his childhood. We have a selfish, amoral mother with breath-taking delusions. Who first adores the son and then drifts out the door one fine day. The actress playing her is pretty good so I buy her lack of even the slightest concern for her son's possible reaction--I find that deliberate. Ad then we have Laila, the coarse desert creature who embodies all the lusts of the flesh that (presumably) beautiful women feel. Who has given this man NSA sex and 8 years of crazy in one immoral role.

RangRaisya is based in a man's world, about aggressively manly things, but it it still a story about one man's ultimate prize, and salvation--through his prize. You did not see a female BSD officer, even in the heyday of the first week when they spent 5 crores to give it a serious sendoff. But the woman who inhabits the role of the hero's prize--she must be everywoman, to make up for the lack --the mother, the sister, the daughter, the wife, the lust object and wh**e, the venerated goddess and even symbol of the motherland.

They need to up Sanaya's rate to reflect her seventeen different roles here. Unfortunately, real flesh and blood woman, with a woman's issues, desires, feelings, fears and triumphs--not one of them.

But Napster, I'd very much like to believe that Paro is a real person. Self sacrificing, but humane. Not just an objectified muse in this manly backdrop of a show, where Rudra can paint whoever he wants to upon her. The "mysterious" element is a conscious "othering" or distancing we need to do, because we hail from backgrounds different from Paro's. That we don't understand her (at least, I don't), is it a good thing? I'm not a big fan of Freud. Now that you mention Oedipal, I find it unsettling that Rudra's love interest is someone who sees his mother in. But that's also okay, because a lot of fiction relies on psychoanalysis, and pretty convincingly too. There is some truth there.

Now coming to the bit about how pure and innocent Paro is. I totally understand what you're saying, and you are right. That is how naive, childish, simple Paro is. But somehow, they're not executing your words on the show. That monologue of Paro, I saw in Thursday episode. If she can have a monologue after she got rejected, then she needs to have one after being questioned regarding her character. The initial breakdown in the questioning room, Paro pointing the gun at Rudra, then at herself- that was beautiful. It was powerful. That was the extent of hate she felt for Rudra, and we all saw that. Did we see equivalent expressions of her love? That's where the epiphanic moment was lost on some of us. I just have to try too hard to justify her, which isn't quite ideal.

If this was the case only with Paro, even then I'd have understood it's Rudra's story. But all female characters are 1-D. Is there a reason behind that? Like Maithili is so strange. Subsequently, if it is a man's story, then how will it find favourable grounds on a medium that thrives on female viewership?