A RRitual Too Far - Page 7

Originally posted by: HemaG

brilliant analysis...!

Originally posted by: pink.lotus

i have to say, i LOVE your post today.
perfect.👏

Originally posted by: _Ms.Foxy.Angel_

Loved ur take.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@tvbug2011: I'm sorry I haven't read all of your posts...and yes I do a cursory glance in general because most of the posts here in general read like emotional fan-fictions finding hidden meanings and extrapolations to degrees I'm quite amazed with...I'm not pointing specifically to you, just a general take...

I read a few of your recent ones though including the one on the sindoor scene...

This forum in general finds graphic/sexual imagery in everything in this show...lol...most of the posts are about that only.

For my part, I didn't view the scene in that tone...yes he was intimidating her, yes there were undercurrents of attraction or sexuality (if you should choose to say) in that scene and yes the tone was darker but it did not go into rapist territory for me *shrugs*

If you are going to go by those comparison points, then by the laws of love-hate soaps, there was a breeze blowing in this scene too, Paro was staring at him in b/w too, not looking frightened...they are both strangely attracted to each other, bottom line...not every scene is going to be about them being mutually aware of it, being candyfloss about it...

How can this be made into a debate over Paro's will? :S...she is being held against her will in that house to begin with...this isn't some vacation for her...so how are people conveniently ignoring that for some "romantic" scenes and crying rape over others?

The broad story as it is requires MAJOR suspension of disbelief...I personally found the wrist pulling intimidation in the chai scene more offensive if we're gonna go that route of abuse labeling. But hey, that's just me *shrugs* This forum views the show differently anyways...lol

Originally posted by: JJKKL

tvbug2011,

Of course we are not writing down our opinion to get attention. It is the way in which we see the scenes. Or rather what we want to see :-) How else can one explain extreme views about the same scene ?

For me - Applying mehandi on the first hand was intimidation. Writing R was gloating. The lines were uttered with no attachment. Just to make her hold the hand still. But I saw seduction and to a great extent affection while he applied mehandi on the second hand. Also him losing control and his palm slipping and becoming one with her palm. He was so lost that her tears also did not remind him of how much she hates it. Blame it on the romantic in me :-)

Originally posted by: princessunara

@ bold, hey did not want to butt in, just wanted to point out something..

The dialog goes well with the lab technician scenario too, i agree. But comparing that scenario with Rudra's is wrong.

The technician is doing a job. He does not want to hurt the patient. The procedure is painful, he knows, but he also knows that this pain is not going to kill the patient. It is just the pain of pricking yourself, would last only a few seconds. Blood is being drawn for patient's own benefit, the technician has no gain from it. If the patient vehemently refuses it, heck, he can give up and inform that patient refuses the procedure, after all he is not looking forward to hurting innocent people right?

Which is NOT the case with Rudra and Paro, you see. Rudra is doing this for HIM and HIS soldiers. Paro is NOT gaining anything good from it. And he knows that Paro HATES it, she's dying from inside. He is doing this for the SOLE INTENTION OF BREAKING HER. He is almost enjoying her pain - "is it ok now? Or is it still burning -- I mean the hand..." were his exact words.

tvbug2011's basic point of that line perfectly tallying with a rapist's line is right, i think. Rudra is no rapist - but his actions borders on the sense of victory of that of a rapist and Paro's helplessness is close to that of a rape victim - that analogy is right. But i have to stress, the degree of feeling is NOT equal in these 2 scenarios. Rape, by all accounts, is the worst thing to happen.

Originally posted by: aruni50218

@ bold, hey did not want to butt in, just wanted to point out something..

The dialog goes well with the lab technician scenario too, i agree. But comparing that scenario with Rudra's is wrong.

The technician is doing a job. He does not want to hurt the patient. The procedure is painful, he knows, but he also knows that this pain is not going to kill the patient. It is just the pain of pricking yourself, would last only a few seconds. Blood is being drawn for patient's own benefit, the technician has no gain from it. If the patient vehemently refuses it, heck, he can give up and inform that patient refuses the procedure, after all he is not looking forward to hurting innocent people right?

Which is NOT the case with Rudra and Paro, you see. Rudra is doing this for HIM and HIS soldiers. Paro is NOT gaining anything good from it. And he knows that Paro HATES it, she's dying from inside. He is doing this for the SOLE INTENTION OF BREAKING HER. He is almost enjoying her pain - "is it ok now? Or is it still burning -- I mean the hand..." were his exact words.

tvbug2011's basic point of that line perfectly tallying with a rapist's line is right, i think. Rudra is no rapist - but his actions borders on the sense of victory of that of a rapist and Paro's helplessness is close to that of a rape victim - that analogy is right. But i have to stress, the degree of feeling is NOT equal in these 2 scenarios. Rape, by all accounts, is the worst thing to happen.

Originally posted by: sajni786

@tvbug2011

I have read almost all ur posts and replied to some...but today u and I stand on different windows...

I really dont understand why the entire forum is in fitz and labelling Rudra's actions as that of a "rapist"...a very heavy term used here...

If anything...this is a battle of the equals...If Rudra is being stubborn with his actions...then Paro is equally stubborn with her resolve
How can we so conveniently forget that today if Paro is in this situation...then its her who called for it...on that very day when she came running back to him in his haveli. She knew the kind of janwaar...hevaan ...jallard he is...n yet she threw him an open challenge ...so he took her up on it. Fine she didnt calculate how far he will take this...but then if we excuse that...then we must excuse that Rudra today did not have any clue his method of seduction to break her will take her to this level of harming herself also. U can see how shocked he was...
Paro in her desparation...did the utter stupidity of burning her hands. Rudra did not ask her to inflict this pain...he has not done any "domestic violence" per say...it is self inflicted. Rudra rather soothed that pain...n if I may say...taught her a "lesson" later in the mehendi scene...by writing his initials...coz he was mad at her for being this sheer stupid.

He is definitely not enjoying any of this...and he sure did not enjoy seeing her in pain...but his anger outweighed his care for her and thus u see the mehendi scene...and let's not forget...again it was done after she had challenged him yet again that he lost this round...that he cannot win everytime...


I have a lot to say...but I will stop here coz I can see it will prolly go around in circles...and I am not really trying to defend Rudra or justify his deeds...coz yes he is wrong...and he himself admits it when he tells her that he is stooping low and he will stoop even lower if need arises...but i appreciate the guy for battling with all fairness and honesty. However...I will not call any of his acts today as that of a rapist, coz rapists do it for their own personal pleasure...here Rudra is far from his own personal pleasure...he is trying to fight for justice for the families of his dead soldiers...families...mother...kids...wives...that may not receive any govt benefits if this case fails...which by any means does not deserve to...
So while Paro is doing everything for HER OWN people...Rudra is doing everything for innocent he is not even related to...

Lastly...I am sure if any of our family members are in emergency room with given no of days to save the his/her and the hospital is adamant in following his own protocols...not understanding ur pplight...the last thing u will think of is ethics...hell U might punch someone for trying to still follow rules that only hinders u in trying to get help for ur loved one...
Here Rudra has only started doing anything only after given a timeline...b4 that...the guy did not even try harming her at all...and yet still he maintains his distance...he scares her...yes...he intimidates her...yes...but he does not cross the line...

Originally posted by: nancynair

This is the first post I am making in this forum although have regularly been reading the regular post makers for a few weeks now...and I have always enjoyed your takes on the episodes.

Last nights episode analysis was a little too harsh on Rudra I felt

Being a woman we are conscious of the inherent harassment in Rudras act but that was his clearly stated intent from the outset was it not, he had threatened to Marry her ,with all Rasams and invade her space so as to break her will.

He had never swerved from that intent and neither has she from her hatred however unjustified.

She has always thought of him as jallad but he has never been one ...she is the one under MU

Rudra is the one who is backed to the corner here and so he is attacking her at her most vulnerable spot... her recently widowed state ...her abhorrence to matrimony with her husbands murderer..

So the term Rapist is certainly much to harsh for Majorsaab