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Posted: 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: eveline

@Ariel...Rudra is a decent guy deep down...and that's the root of this problem. Time and again we have seen that he might have a brusque indifferent attitude but its a sham. He is an honest guy and a guy who understands pain, is caring enough too. His senses her pain..sees it for himself and what we see is a normal human reaction. He feels the same for Maithili's pain..or for a mother who loses his son. His reaction to Laila's pain is more general than personal ..just my pov.

And Laila is on the path to destruction...the cvs finally giving her the shade she was always destined to have.


I keep coming back to this..ok last one..

Deep down they are all decent and they just want love, be it Laila, Paro or Rudra. Thats the crux of any human beings existence. And they all care. If we understand why Rudra falls for Paro against his will then its easy to see why Laila falls for Rudra. And if you consider where Laila has been all her life, her becoming a vamp is not that hard to understand, She hasnt grown up with love like PAro has. So she is bound to self destruct very understandably, and if Rudra is the decent guy that we all know he is he knows the dynamics of his relationship with Laila changed a long time ago. Since he didnt walk away, she is not wrong either in demanding an explanation or for holding onto hope that he will change. But I wish the CVs would not make her a vamp. Nachewalis usually have strength enough to walk away, this is not the first blow life has dealt them.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: eveline

Why is it always about a woman?? Just because we are one?? Your response SJ is all from a woman's pov. Can we not be neutral. And talk about both the parties involved here. After all its not all about Laila...there is another human involved here called Rudra!!

Developing feelings after eight years natural...demanding your honest partner does not develop for anyone else...not fair!! Her anger or disappointment is understandable coz we are humans...but is it unfair?? No. They both had the right to walk out of this and get involved with another...it was agreed ...Rudra came first...it might have been Laila...would you have said the same then?
Rudra behaved in a certain way coz Laila took it. Rudra dared coz Laila acted like a clingy wet doormat most of the times. Dare Rudra get away with this kind of attitude with Paro?? No...never. So the way Rudra behaved was also a reflection on their relationship. He didn't give her love or respect coz she could evoke and invoke neither in him. And she tried for eight long years...agreed love cannot be generated...but respect, dignity, loyalty...she couldn't earn anything??
It was a mutually beneficial relationship as I see it. They both got plenty out of it..be it Rudra or Laila. Now one wants out...for whatever the reasons...the point here...was this an open relationship...yes it was. Were they allowed to opt out at any time...yes they always were. Laila kept that door open too...if one fine day she met a man who was more richer, handsomer or more loving..she would have walked out in a jiffy. That door was kept open by both for their conveniences...now no use crying foul.
Yes, she has reasons to feel angry and jilted according to her, but in reality, looking at it truthfully, no wrong was done here. No injustice meted out to her.
About her being a vamp, and your subsequent justification...everything in this world can be justified...even murders but is it fair. Unfairness happens to one and all, does that justify harming and hurting others??And yes cvs will coz after all she is a fictional character created to evoke hatred, negativity, devilry...that's the purpose of her existence.
And are we comparing Paro and Laila here?? Why?? Whats the need..is this post about comparisons?? Why are we comparing a woman who was in a no strings attached relationship with a man and eventually it didn't work out (surprises??) with a village girl who lost her all in a few moments!!
SJ...I don't seem to remember stating anywhere that just coz she is a mistress she is garbage. Why are people putting words in my mouth?? Also...agreed that people don't agree with my post.. #respect ...but...this is a totally different ball game.


@bold...She didn't expect him to not develop feelings for anyone else...those were his words and repeated multiple times...! That's the difference!
After 8 years is an expectation of being told when the arrangement js over wrong? And she wasn't just a piece of meat...he went to her for help regarding clothes...he ate at her house...he expressed his frustration regarding Paro to her...!
The way the whole thing unfolded in front of her is also to be noted...she obviously had feelings which she never hid from him...but he was with her nevertheless...it's not like he went to her and told her he was in love with someone else and she threatened to kill that person!
Even he felt the need to tell her that things were not what they looked like...after all this is not a love marriage and he is not in love with Paro...he tried to explain to her...that should tell you that inspite of him saying no right no commitment he himself realised how it looked to her!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Man Eve...

I am so done with these Laila flags going around. Oh the sympathy...oh the injustice...oh the poor women...Like Really? And what are they riding their Laila boats on...on the shoulders of Rudra...I say poor Rudra man!
Just coz he made this arrangement with Laila...so he is now at fault...but no Laila cannot be at fault for "equally" signing up for it! Unfair much?
Laila breached the unwritten contract...she IMO holds no dignity or self respect...Rudra never told her to make him her exclusive...but she did it...out of her will...so why blame Rudra and why make him guilty for the same. She is a prostitute and I would have held her in much higher regards had she stayed true to her profession of being a prostitute and slept with many men.
Fine she is a woman...a human and thus developed feelings...involuntarily...SO? BIG DEAL! Why ride over Rudra being equally a human and make him the guilty party for her developing those feelings...Yes she made her feelings vocal...but then was she ever reciporacated with any answer after that? NO! But she still went ahead...
Coming to Rudra...people say that its the fact that Rudra told Laila he will never have feelings and yet had feelings for Paro is where Rudra is wrong. Like seriously! So we are ready to excuse Laila for developing involuntary feelings...but NOT Rudra?
Heck the dude does not even realize he has developed a soft spot for Paro...and he still is under blame! If anything...he can be blamed for forgetting that calling himself a wolf simply by wearing a wolf skin will not make him one...His fault is right there...that he actually began thinking he is a wolf when infact he was always the camel from inside.
He never lied to Laila when he told her he does not have emotions and does not intend to invest in relationships...he still stands true to his words...It just that Rudra's heart has betrayed him and has sneaked away to Paro without him realizing it...
He is equally a victim as is Laila in the matters of the heart!
So yes I can understand Laila being a human and developing feelings...but her even trying to ask for an answer from Rudra or even trying to get a closure from him is not justifiable.
It was always an arrangement...and the moment Laila developed feelings for him n even hoping for something more than this arrangement...it became a 1 way street...and as such...there is no question of closure!
Edited by sajni786 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: eveline

Why is it always about a woman?? Just because we are one?? Your response SJ is all from a woman's pov. Can we not be neutral. And talk about both the parties involved here. After all its not all about Laila...there is another human involved here called Rudra!!

Developing feelings after eight years natural...demanding your honest partner does not develop for anyone else...not fair!! Her anger or disappointment is understandable coz we are humans...but is it unfair?? No. They both had the right to walk out of this and get involved with another...it was agreed ...Rudra came first...it might have been Laila...would you have said the same then?
Rudra behaved in a certain way coz Laila took it. Rudra dared coz Laila acted like a clingy wet doormat most of the times. Dare Rudra get away with this kind of attitude with Paro?? No...never. So the way Rudra behaved was also a reflection on their relationship. He didn't give her love or respect coz she could evoke and invoke neither in him. And she tried for eight long years...agreed love cannot be generated...but respect, dignity, loyalty...she couldn't earn anything??
It was a mutually beneficial relationship as I see it. They both got plenty out of it..be it Rudra or Laila. Now one wants out...for whatever the reasons...the point here...was this an open relationship...yes it was. Were they allowed to opt out at any time...yes they always were. Laila kept that door open too...if one fine day she met a man who was more richer, handsomer or more loving..she would have walked out in a jiffy. That door was kept open by both for their conveniences...now no use crying foul.
Yes, she has reasons to feel angry and jilted according to her, but in reality, looking at it truthfully, no wrong was done here. No injustice meted out to her.
About her being a vamp, and your subsequent justification...everything in this world can be justified...even murders but is it fair. Unfairness happens to one and all, does that justify harming and hurting others??And yes cvs will coz after all she is a fictional character created to evoke hatred, negativity, devilry...that's the purpose of her existence.
And are we comparing Paro and Laila here?? Why?? Whats the need..is this post about comparisons?? Why are we comparing a woman who was in a no strings attached relationship with a man and eventually it didn't work out (surprises??) with a village girl who lost her all in a few moments!!
SJ...I don't seem to remember stating anywhere that just coz she is a mistress she is garbage. Why are people putting words in my mouth?? Also...agreed that people don't agree with my post.. #respect ...but...this is a totally different ball game.


If Rudra doesnt respect Laila because she didnt evoke or invoke and not because every human being deserves it then that doesnt speak very well of Rudra. But however I think Rudra does value her. So he is still good :)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sajni786

Man Eve...

I am so done with these Laila flags going around. Oh the sympathy...oh the injustice...oh the poor women...Like Really? And what are they riding their Laila boats on...on the shoulders of Rudra...I say poor Rudra man!
Just coz he made this arrangement with Laila...so he is now at fault...but no Laila cannot be at fault for "equally" signing up for it! Unfair much?
Laila breached the unwritten contract...she IMO holds no dignity or self respect...Rudra never told her to make him her exclusive...but she did it...out of her will...so why blame Rudra and why make him guilty for the same. She is a prostitute and I would have held her in much higher regards had she stayed true to her profession of being a prostitute and slept with many men.
Fine she is a woman...a human and thus developed feelings...involuntarily...SO? BIG DEAL! Why ride over Rudra being equally a human and make him the guilty party for her developing those feelings...Yes she made her feelings vocal...but then was she ever reciporacated with any answer after that? NO! But she still went ahead...
Coming to Rudra...people say that its the fact that Rudra told Laila he will never have feelings and yet had feelings for Paro is where Rudra is wrong. Like seriously! So we are ready to excuse Laila for developing involuntary feelings...but NOT Rudra?
Heck the dude does not even realize he has developed a soft spot for Paro...and he still is under blame! If anything...he can be blamed for forgetting that calling himself a wolf simply by wearing a wolf skin will not make him one...His fault is right there...that he actually began thinking he is a wolf when infact he was always the camel from inside.
He never lied to Laila when he told her he does not have emotions and does not intend to invest in relationships...he still stands true to his words...It just that Rudra's heart has betrayed him and has sneaked away to Paro without him realizing it...
He is equally a victim as is Laila in the matters of the heart!
So yes I can understand Laila being a human and developing feelings...but her even trying to ask for an answer from Rudra or even trying to get a closure from him is not justifiable.
It was always an arrangement...and the moment Laila developed feelings for him n even hoping for something more than this arrangement...it became a 1 way street...and as such...there is no question of closure!


I think it's the other way around...people are willing to excuse Rudra for developing involuntary feelings...why excuse...it's great...but Laila shouldn't have developed feelings because he told her not to! has Paro encouraged Rudra??
After the length of time they spent in whatever capacity and it doesn't come across as purely physical...two human beings would definitely think they should tell the other person before moving on in life...!
Laila is now the conniving vamp for exactly this reason...so everyone can conveniently hate her...and trivialise her feelings even more..!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: prettypri


I think it's the other way around...people are willing to excuse Rudra for developing involuntary feelings...why excuse...it's great...but Laila shouldn't have developed feelings because he told her not to! has Paro encouraged Rudra??
After the length of time they spent in whatever capacity and it doesn't come across as purely physical...two human beings would definitely think they should tell the other person before moving on in life...!
Laila is now the conniving vamp for exactly this reason...so everyone can conveniently hate her...and trivialise her feelings even more..!

I am not saying Laila should not be excused for developing feelings for Rudra...from human POV...both Rudra and Laila should be excused for developing feelings...coz its in no-one's control. But that's where it ends. EXCUSED and WALK OFF...
There is absolutely no right of Laila to have any closures...any answers from Rudra as to why he developed feelings...Rudra never asked her why she developed feelings for him...She had...she voiced it...he heard it...he didnt object her but just let her be...and that's that...Again...its her will to even voice it to him..
Rudra does not have to voice it either...even Laila didnt have to either...
The wrong here is not developing feelings...but the fact that Laila is having expectations from an arrangement that was clear from Day1...is what is wrong...
I am absolutely not trivalising her feelings...but I am not going to ride my boat on Rudra's shoulder either... and make her the victim party...She is NOT a victim...coz if she is...then so is Rudra...and they both are victims of the heart!
PS. Why this hoopla of 8yrs? OMG 8yrs and it cannot be just physical? Really! I dont think so...it can very well be...Seen it alot...so konw it very well...
Edited by sajni786 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agree. When in a physical relation usually women feels she owns the man even though they have no 4 letter word or legal binding terms. I think it's " J " factor reason for the reactions and threatenings coming from Laila. If we hear it properly from her side she ended her relationship with Rudra today . Isn't it great? Now we can watch a show peacefully knowing he is not two timing... With eyes and body 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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The "garbage" was my choice of words, I don't think I accorded them to you.

Lets reverse the equation.

Lets say Rudra wanted a committed relationship from Laila, and she kept stalling because she could not bring herself to commit to anyone. He kept tagging along, hoping that somewhere along the line, she would change her mind.

Now Rudra finds out that Laila is engaged to be married to some handsome, rich man and has not so much as bothered to inform him, despite his many pleas to marry. How would he feel?

Its the same for Laila. So it does not matter whether its a man or woman, anyone in Laila's position would feel jilted and betrayed without explanation or clarification.

I don't think I discount Rudra's feelings just because he is a man. But I do take objection to a stance that discounts Laila's feelings just because she is not perceived "clean"

As for comparisons between Laila and Paro - Each one is doing their part because they feel the righteousness of their position. Paro refuses to sign the papers, even though ti would cost Rudra his entire life's worth of work, because she finds it wrong. She has chosen to stay in that house and face up to him as a sign of protest.

Laila promises to ruin Paro because she sees Paro as an obstacle to her relationship with Rudra. Of course, I don't like it, and given the hard knocks she has borne in her life, I can understand her where she is coming from w/o justifying it.

And finally, please, i don't mean any attack on you, please stop taking it as such.



@SJ...phew first and foremost...knowing you as much as I do you didn't seem the sort to personally attack someone...some of us like intelligent discussions and can take different povs and present ours too...u have and always will belong to that category...therefore some words just took me by surpise ( I actually went back and re read my post after ur response 😆) and my words being testy...sorry fielding too many responses of different kinds from various sorts...lines get blurred!
No post, no piece of writing is worth losing a good friend and thats the bottom line.
Did Laila ever say that she wanted more to Rudra?? Did she ever even hint the same?? No...not that I remember. If my memory serves me right she seemed more than happy with their status quo her only grouse being he is not too caring or expressive (which i think would be there since day one). tThe only point of contention being when he asked for her clothes ...that's when the warning came. And knowing that Rudra does not make a habit of asking for clothes for other women it was the first instance ever for him to realize how possessive she could be.
My point...in the role reversal the surmise is all wrong...Rudra never knew she wanted more...he was not dallying...not stalling...on the contrary if Rudra had got an inkling that Laila wanted more, he would have simply put a stop to this relationship and Laila nd we all know that. That is Rudra for you!! He did not want any complications..neither from his side or hers...and he constantly reminder her of the same.
Feeling jilted or betrayed from Laila's pov is fine...but is that the truth?? Is she really jilted or betrayed...has she been wronged..has Rudra done an injustice...the answer is no. Laila has her own version of truth...her feelings are justified according to her...but are they in reality...no.
And my post is not about what she is...whatever she is...its not about she doesn't deserve sympathy coz she is a mistress or a dancer or pro...or...a postman...its not about playing moral police..ok she is bad so she deserves bad...no...my post is about the Rudra Laila equation and from that context...whatever is happening to Laila is not wrong...on the contrary it was inevitable.
Just one difference between Laila and Paro...Paro is waging a war not for her benefit but to protect others and is suffering in the process...while Laila is out to take revenge for the wrong she knows didn't happen to her by harming an innocent Paro...
Edited by eveline - 11 years ago

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