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Posted: 11 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: LoLo



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WOW true that it was never her story...
but i thought we were moving away from that "good" girl realm in both reality and fiction...

the debate is whether her ire is justified ...many say nay because she was not in a relationship to start off with...

cos as far as I know no one gives the milk for free...

If the story was just Paro and Rudra without all the side stories then we would be done in a month ...

I have no qualms about the eventual Paro Rudra falling in love ...its the journey and all those who took part in it ...give them a story line that is not stale ...




Ire is justified. My point was that this is what I call an accurate depiction. He is off Scott free under the guise of protecting the girl. How can he not fall in love? And it isn't his fault after all. She just landed in his life, right? He never promised Laila happily ever after did he? So how is Rudra wrong? How is Laila upset? That is my point. THIS is how it goes in real life. The poor girl who hung in waiting for 8 years with no promises gets the shaft for the innocent with the hazel eyes. Not saying it is right, it just is! Whatever the case, I began watching this show for Sanaya, not the other actress. As,I said above, she can get angry, even get revenge, but it's not her story and it's not her show. She will come and go, but ultimately fans glue in to watch Sanaya and Ashish, and of course Thakur!

Lol THakur Sanaya and Ashish indeed...

so if Sanaya played Laila would then Laila be owed better...?

I for one would like a good story ..and good actors ...name has got nothing to do with it ...and i would like to see an ensemble cast with meaty roles ...well thought out charactors...
not this one dimensional hero heroine villain thing...

Laila is part of a story that will eventually lead to PaRud falling in love ..
so tell her story too dont make her convenience ...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: Naach_Basanti

I neither understand the need to demonise Laila nor do I see the need to justify her. I'm somewhere in between. She knew what she was getting into, but like many other women she lived in the hope that the man would change one day for her. But he didn't. So I do understand her hurt and sense of betrayal. But on the other hand I don't think she is justified to react the way she is- manipulating to hurt the other person in the equation instead if hurting Rudra.

And that my opinion, I don't feel either of those emotions towards her. And I still believe that her character is badly written and uni dimensional for me.


And THAT is precisely the problem. It is boring to see creatives use the same wronged woman angle to make vamps out of characters. Just like it is boring to see the sati-savitri who is the paragon of virtue, who will bear everything with a smile and still be alive to make the man change.

Does reality work like this? No. Does that mean reality is NOT interesting? No.

So why then is there never an attempt to do something different. Life is not black or white - it is much more than fifty shades of grey (pun totally intended) - I would LOVE to see the black in Paro. I would LOVE to see the white in Laila.


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Posted: 11 years ago
#43
To me, Rudra resemble a typical douche bag. There. I said it. Too harsh? Nope I dont think so. I see curious echoes of all other jerks out there who screw women over by seeking their weak, vulnerable points and take advantage of it. He knows for a fact that Laila is attached to him in more ways than just physical realms and he fully takes advantage of this fact and entertains it too because hey, who would rush to the abode of a woman right after a deadly massacre he was involved in, critically injured, if he was not sure she'd take care of him and comfort him? Please! Sugar coat it whatever way you want but Rudra falling for a hot young virgin does not give him any right to thrash away the woman he was sleeping with for the past 8 years so that he can walk into the the sunset with the fore mentioned virgin.

I see no justification in being in an 'arrangement' (for lack of a better word because some seem too skeptical about the word 'relationship' although it is nothing but a relationship) with Laila then dropping her like a hot potato the moment he fits deemed. That is NOT morally justifiable how much he might have proclaimed they are in a 'no strings' kinda thing. Being 'upfront' with her about his intentions- as many points out, does not give any man any right to leave her hanging in an arrangement of this sort in such a deplorable manner.

Slept with her once, slept with her 100 times, relationship, no relationship, Laila, like all other Lailas out there need a respectable closure from Rudra.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
Dekhiye behenein, I didn't watch today, so I am probably missing many of the finer points. What I gather is that some major melodrama went down, Paro is missing, and the story seems to be definitely painting Laila as the one to we ought to hate.
I have nothing new to add here that someone or the other hasn't already said, so I refrain from my 'BUT WHAT ABOUT LAILA'S FEELINGZ?' post.

I have some simple points that I would like to bring up for consideration.

A man has an 8 year physical relationship with a woman. If you don't like the word 'relationship', please do help me with a different word, because I don't know what else to call it.
I can't agree with a 'string of one-night stands', because by its very definition, a one-night stand is...you know...restricted to ONE NIGHT. So even if you had a 'string' of them-- they'd have to be with different people for that to make sense.

So coming back to the 8 year relationship, we see that this man repeatedly goes to this woman for not only sex, but also food, companionship, solace, to get his thoughts in order, etc. We know this because Laila is privy to the sort of information that only Rudra could have given her (about his likes, dislikes, pet peeves, etc)
In fact, he goes to her for pretty much EVERYTHING that a husband or boyfriend would go to his wife/girlfriend for.
The only difference is that their relationship doesn't have a label.
I'll come back to that.

So, he effectively treats her like one would their significant other. And he tells her that he isn't ever going to commit. That he isn't ever going to fall in love, etc etc. That she should never hope for a mangalsutra.

And she accepts that. And continues with their relationship. Because she thinks what they have is enough. She doesn't expect a mangalsutra, but she is also clear about the fact that Rudra is never going to give anyone else one either.

And therein lies the crux of our problem.
Rudra DID make promises to her. They were just different from the ones we expect. He may not have promised to marry her, but he told her again and again that he wouldn't marry anyone at all-- that it is foolish to consider it. He may not have promised her forever, but he told her that he doesn't believe in forever-- not with her, not with anybody. He didn't say "Laila, you are a prostitute/naachnewali and that is why I can never marry you." He said "Marriage is ridiculous."

So from where Laila stands, Rudra IS going back on his words to her. He IS marrying someone. He IS committing to a forever of sorts.

And these are just the WORDS. We haven't even talked about the many unspoken things that he knowingly/unknowingly gave her to understand.
Every time he came back to her despite her making her feelings evident. Every time she pissed him off, and he came back for more. Every time she teased him, and he took it with his stone-faced expression. A million things that I am not pointing out.
Tell me again that Rudra that share so much with Laila and not have ANY feeling towards her beyond sexual attraction. Because if he is SO broken that he CANNOT, then I have an awful lot of trouble swallowing the 'Paro will melt his heart' track.

So from where I see it, Rudra did make a WHOLE lot of promises to her.

And I bet some people will still come back and say 'He promised her nothing, she always knew the score.'

So I go back to my point about the importance of labels. I am not going to talk about labeling Laila as a 'vamp' or Paro as the 'heroine'.
I am going to ask about labels attached to relationships. Because we treat those rather conveniently.
When one side talks about conduct unbefitting an army officer, or even the Male Lead-- the other side starts talking about all the silent things he does for the Female Lead-- how he protects her, how he cares for her, how he stands against the world for her, etc.
And when one one side talks about injustice for Laila, the other side insists that the Male Lead never SAID anything, he didn't LABEL their relationship.

So which is it?

Do we want words and labels? Or do we want actions?
We might WANT both but that clearly isn't happening.
What we ARE getting are actions.

Rudra is not a vocal man. He dislikes talking. He is brusque, curt, rude, and dislikes shows of affection. Even towards his father, whom he clearly cares about.

So if his ACTIONS are enough for Paro, why should they not be enough for Laila? In fact, with her 8 years, Laila knows him much better! She KNOWS that he doesn't 'do' attachment and emotions. So how can she be blamed for pinning her hopes onto him even without WORDS?

Talking about his 'silent care' for Paro, and his 'lack of clear commitment to Laila' in the same breath feels awfully hypocritical to me.

We can go on as much as we want about this being Rudra and Paro's story, and that's okay. But I don't see why that should make us incapable of SYMPATHY.
The creative's are taking the easy way out.
But that doesn't mean we can't call them out on it.

So, NO CVs, I DON'T see how you are justifying Laila as a vamp. And I would appreciate it if you delved deeper into characterization, instead of being so damned one-dimensional.
It would probably motivate me to watch each episode at the right time, on TV.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45
I don't think she's a vamp either. Just because she is feeling vindictive it wont be fair to call her a vamp. She hasn't really done anything to harm anybody. Her reactions seem pretty natural to me. She's livid with him. She's desperate and she knows she's losing as evident from her tears. But once again just because she threatened vengeance, doesn't mean she would actually do something vindictive
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: Semanti

Dekhiye behenein, I didn't watch today, so I am probably missing many of the finer points. What I gather is that some major melodrama went down, Paro is missing, and the story seems to be definitely painting Laila as the one to we ought to hate.

I have nothing new to add here that someone or the other hasn't already said, so I refrain from my 'BUT WHAT ABOUT LAILA'S FEELINGZ?' post.

I have some simple points that I would like to bring up for consideration.

A man has an 8 year physical relationship with a woman. If you don't like the word 'relationship', please do help me with a different word, because I don't know what else to call it.
I can't agree with a 'string of one-night stands', because by its very definition, a one-night stand is...you know...restricted to ONE NIGHT. So even if you had a 'string' of them-- they'd have to be with different people for that to make sense.

So coming back to the 8 year relationship, we see that this man repeatedly goes to this woman for not only sex, but also food, companionship, solace, to get his thoughts in order, etc. We know this because Laila is privy to the sort of information that only Rudra could have given her (about his likes, dislikes, pet peeves, etc)
In fact, he goes to her for pretty much EVERYTHING that a husband or boyfriend would go to his wife/girlfriend for.
The only difference is that their relationship doesn't have a label.
I'll come back to that.

So, he effectively treats her like one would their significant other. And he tells her that he isn't ever going to commit. That he isn't ever going to fall in love, etc etc. That she should never hope for a mangalsutra.

And she accepts that. And continues with their relationship. Because she thinks what they have is enough. She doesn't expect a mangalsutra, but she is also clear about the fact that Rudra is never going to give anyone else one either.

And therein lies the crux of our problem.
Rudra DID make promises to her. They were just different from the ones we expect. He may not have promised to marry her, but he told her again and again that he wouldn't marry anyone at all-- that it is foolish to consider it. He may not have promised her forever, but he told her that he doesn't believe in forever-- not with her, not with anybody. He didn't say "Laila, you are a prostitute/naachnewali and that is why I can never marry you." He said "Marriage is ridiculous."

So from where Laila stands, Rudra IS going back on his words to her. He IS marrying someone. He IS committing to a forever of sorts.

And these are just the WORDS. We haven't even talked about the many unspoken things that he knowingly/unknowingly gave her to understand.
Every time he came back to her despite her making her feelings evident. Every time she pissed him off, and he came back for more. Every time she teased him, and he took it with his stone-faced expression. A million things that I am not pointing out.
Tell me again that Rudra that share so much with Laila and not have ANY feeling towards her beyond sexual attraction. Because if he is SO broken that he CANNOT, then I have an awful lot of trouble swallowing the 'Paro will melt his heart' track.

So from where I see it, Rudra did make a WHOLE lot of promises to her.

And I bet some people will still come back and say 'He promised her nothing, she always knew the score.'

So I go back to my point about the importance of labels. I am not going to talk about labeling Laila as a 'vamp' or Paro as the 'heroine'.
I am going to ask about labels attached to relationships. Because we treat those rather conveniently.
When one side talks about conduct unbefitting an army officer, or even the Male Lead-- the other side starts talking about all the silent things he does for the Female Lead-- how he protects her, how he cares for her, how he stands against the world for her, etc.
And when one one side talks about injustice for Laila, the other side insists that the Male Lead never SAID anything, he didn't LABEL their relationship.

So which is it?

Do we want words and labels? Or do we want actions?
We might WANT both but that clearly isn't happening.
What we ARE getting are actions.

Rudra is not a vocal man. He dislikes talking. He is brusque, curt, rude, and dislikes shows of affection. Even towards his father, whom he clearly cares about.

So if his ACTIONS are enough for Paro, why should they not be enough for Laila? In fact, with her 8 years, Laila knows him much better! She KNOWS that he doesn't 'do' attachment and emotions. So how can she be blamed for pinning her hopes onto him even without WORDS?

Talking about his 'silent care' for Paro, and his 'lack of clear commitment to Laila' in the same breath feels awfully hypocritical to me.

We can go on as much as we want about this being Rudra and Paro's story, and that's okay. But I don't see why that should make us incapable of SYMPATHY.
The creative's are taking the easy way out.
But that doesn't mean we can't call them out on it.

So, NO CVs, I DON'T see how you are justifying Laila as a vamp. And I would appreciate it if you delved deeper into characterization, instead of being so damned one-dimensional.
It would probably motivate me to watch each episode at the right time, on TV.


👏👏👏

And I might just try and watch this show after all. I know I know - they don't owe me anything. I can definitely dekhna hai to dekho warna...But kya karein...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR7NVcnqZt8
Edited by meera30 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: meera30



<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" color="#000066" size="2">And THAT is precisely the problem. It is boring to see creatives use the same wronged woman angle to make vamps out of characters. Just like it is boring to see the sati-savitri who is the paragon of virtue, who will bear everything with a smile and still be alive to make the man change.</font>
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" color="#000066" size="2">Does reality work like this? No. Does that mean reality is NOT interesting? No.</font>
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" color="#000066" size="2">So why then is there never an attempt to do something different. Life is not black or white - it is much more than fifty shades of grey (pun totally intended) - I would LOVE to see the black in Paro. I would LOVE to see the white in Laila.</font>
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Yes I do feel Laila was the opportunity to do something different. They showed her seeing parud last week and today she jumped straight into attacking mode. There was no attempt to make us see her hurt or betrayal. They've made her a vamp in a stereotypical way. But Meera another thing I have to say is that our society does view such women in a negative light, and TV just reinforces that image.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48
^^^ What is the point of a million Satyameva Jayates if the rest of TV will not make subtle changes.Just today during an episode of Balika Vadhu (yes Mum is here), i saw the woman who till she was black as the baa-sheep wore jeans suddenly in a demure pink salwar kameez complete with a bindi and long hair!

WHAT is with stereotypes? Sure they make drama easy to digest but why assume that the audience is not smart? The audiences are smart - they just haven't had the chance to realize they are - even the TRP aunties like my mum / mum-in-law!


Edited by meera30 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: meera30


👏👏👏

And I might just try and watch this show after all. I know I know - they don't owe me anything. I can definitely dekhna hai to dekho warna...But kya karein...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR7NVcnqZt8


Sorry. 😆

I get so carried away if someone doesn't stop me mid-rant.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: meera30

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2" color="#000066">^^^ What is the point of a million Satyameva Jayates if the rest of TV will not make subtle changes.Just today during an episode of Balika Vadhu (yes Mum is here), i saw the woman who till she was black as the baa-sheep wore jeans suddenly in a demure pink salwar kameez complete with a bindi and long hair!</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2" color="#000066">
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2" color="#000066">WHAT is with stereotypes? Sure they make drama easy to digest but why assume that the audience is not smart? The audiences are smart - they just haven't had the chance to realize they are - even the TRP aunties like my mum / mum-in-law!</font>






I beg to differ Meera. Sadly our mums don't make for TRP audience. RR gets the worst ratings whenever Laila comes on screen? Why? Because she's a woman who has slept with a man before marriage? The first interaction between Rudra and Laila which culminated in them having sex, was very well conceived and aesthetically shot. That episode got the lowest ever rating for the show.

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