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Khalrika

@Khalrika

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Posted: 15 years ago

#751

Vibs, I saw the local temple calendar today. Ram Navami falls sometime on March 24th this year. March 24th is Punarvasu. Pushya falls on March 25th and Aslysha on March 26th. If this is the order of the Indian calendar then Bharat was born the next day after Punarvasu in Pushya. Lakshmana and Shatrughna were born the day after that in Asleysa.

If Ramji was born on day 1 then Bharat was born on day 2. Lakshman and Shatrughna were born on day 3. Lakshman comes first.

Lalitha, I think later poets and writers interpreted the 1/4 th and 1/8th each portions of Vishnu to mean Shanka, Chakra, and Adishesha. This is strictly IMHO but it think that could be possible. I wonder if Tulsidas and others did that.
I do not know too much about Tulsi Ramayan.

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Vibhishna

@Vibhishna

Dazzler

+ 3

Posted: 15 years ago

#752

Thanks a lot Khalrika.

Lalitha Janaki, Kambaramayanam depicts Bharat, Lakshman and Shathrugan as the Conch, Adisesha and Sudarshan Chakra. I am not sure about other versions. I thought that this is what all versions put forth till I read the translation of VR. One more thing is that, Kamban describes The conch as Panchajanya. The name Panchajanya comes from the Mahabharat, right? When Krishna defeats the demon who dwelled in this shell and kept terrorizing those who swam the waters. I think it was when Krishna went in search of Guru Sandipani's son. I am not that good with Mahabharat but I think it was this incident. What was Lord Vishnu's Chakra called? Was it Panchajanya right from the beginning? Or did the name come up from Mahabharat?

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Khalrika

@Khalrika

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#753

Vibs, It is called Panchajanya right from the beginning. It comes out when the Samudra is churned (the churning of the ocean story). His chakra is called Sudarshana Chakra.

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Vibhishna

@Vibhishna

Dazzler

+ 3

Posted: 15 years ago

#754

Originally posted by: Khalrika
Vibs, It is called Panchajanya right from the beginning. It comes out when the Samudra is churned (the churning of the ocean story). His chakra is called Sudarshana Chakra.

Thanks again . . . 😊

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Khalrika

@Khalrika

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#755

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Thanks again . . . 😊

U r welcome! 😃

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 15 years ago

#756

Khalrika/Vibs

Watching today's episode rerun, where Vali humiliates Ravan, and the story of Vali and Mayavi is recounted brought up some questions:

I found the confrontation b/w Vali & Roma charming, but wonder, is it there in the Ananda Ramayan or anywhere, or is that one more of those Sagar inventions? Particularly the scene where Vali masquerades as Sugriv to make out w/ Roma.
In the episode, they showed Vali breaking in during Sugriv's rajyabhishek. But in pg 771 of Gita press, Sugriv tells Rama that he was ruling w/ justice when one day, Vali came home. Do the other accounts of this incident have Vali interrupting Sugriv during his coronation, or breaking in sometime later when Sugriv was ruling?
I found it curious that when Rama twang his bow, everything reverberated, but somehow, Vali and the vanaras didn't get to hear any of this 😕
Next week, they show a bunch of Vanaras trying to assasinate Sugriv, and Rama shattering their assault. Is there any account of this in any of the Ramayans? While Sugriv did flee to Rishimukh, Vali, after not following him there, gave up the hunt for him. Or didn't he?

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Same108

@Same108

Explorer

Posted: 15 years ago

#757

Interesting questions, Vrisha! Not so long ago I got my hands on an academic translation of "Ramacharitmanas" . So, I can take a look if any of these events are there.
BTW. In that academic translation I found a lot of footnotes dedicated to different plants. Translator was an academic ( a good one!) so he matched almost all plants names with their Latin names . So I put plant's names in spreadsheet and called it " Gerbarium of Ramacharitmanas". If you are interested I can post it here.

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Khalrika

@Khalrika

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#758

Vrisha, I will get back to u in a day or two.

Same, please post the plant list. I am very
interested. It will go into my Ramayan scrap
book.

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Same108

@Same108

Explorer

Posted: 15 years ago

#759

As you wish! Actually it was really interesting and this spreadsheet of mine was quiet a hit!
So, here it is:
List of plants of Ramacharitmanasa, translated from Hindi to Latin by academic
A.P. Barannikov in 1948.
I just put it into spreadsheet!

#	Name	Latin
1	Lotus	Nelumbo nucifera
2	Kapas	Gesypium herbaceum
3	Bat/akshaiwat	Ficus indica
4	Agar	Amyris agallocha
5	Chandan	Santalum album
6	Kalpataru	*Ficus benghalensis*
7	Tulasi	Ocimum Sanctum
8	Bhang	Cannabis Sativa
9	Amla/mirobalan	Phyllanthus emblica
10	Am/Mango	Mangifera Indica
11	Bel	Aegle marmelos
12	Babul	Mimosa arabica
13	Betel	Piper betel
14	Kusha	Poa Cynosuroidos
15	Patang	Pterocarpus santolinus
16	Tamal	Xanthochymus pictorius
17	Kumud	Rottlera inctoria / Nymphaea esculenta
18	Siris	Acacia sirisa/Albizia lebbeck
19	Kumhara	?
20	Kurkum	Curcuma longa
21	Durva	Panycum dactylon/ Cynodon dactylon
22	Bakul	Mimusops elengi
23	Kadamba	Nauclea cadamba
24	Supari	Areca catechu
25	Gunja	Arbus precatorius
26	Tal	Borassus flobelliformis
27	Erand	Ricinus communis
28	Pipal	Ficus religiosa
29	Djavas	Hedysarum Alhagi/ Alhagi maurorum
30	Karir	?apparis aphylla
31	Sinsup	Dalbergia sisu
32	Badar	Zizyphus jujuba
33	Pakar	Ficus infectoria
34	Jamun	Eugenia jambolana/ Sizygium jambolanum
35	Kodon	Paspalum scrobiculatum
36	Champaka	Michelia champaka
37	Bet	Calamus rotang
38	Kathal	Artocarpus integrifolia
39	Kanaktaru/datura	Datura alba
40	Umar/Gular	Ficus glomerata
41	Ashoka	Jonesia asoka
42	Patala	Bignonia suaveolens
43	Palash	Butea frondosa
44	Arka	Calotropis gigantea
45	Kas	Saccharum spontaneum
46	Kadali/Kela	Musa sapientum/ Musa paradisiaca
47	Til	Sesamum indicum