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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 16 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: ananyacool
@ Chandra bhaiya: Valmiki ashram is at present day Bithur ,on the banks of river Ganga and Naimisharanya now called as Sitapur ,on the banks of river Gomti; the distance betwwen the two is approximtely 100 Kms . Good thing Mandodari,👍🏼 that its DOTW and it should be made sticky as well.

100 kms in 1 day? How did they travel?

If Valmiki's ashram was at Bithur, was that where RLS stopped during their exile? I thought his ashram was @ Chitrakoot. Or did Valmiki live at Chitrakoot during Dasharath's reign, but moved to Bithur during Rama's exile?

Vibs, if Rama asked Lakshman to leave Sita near Valmiki's ashram, wouldn't that have been the reason to ask Shatrughan to visit it? Also, was Valmiki's ashram in Rama's kingdom proper? In other words, didn't he decide to get Sita out of his kingdom as a whole, not just Ayodhya? And if that's the case, and if Valmiki's ashram was outside his kingdom, it might explain why he chose it. Also, Valmiki may have chosen this spot for his ashram precisely b'cos he foresaw that Rama & Sita would be needing him to be outside Ayodhya, come Vanvas II time.

P.S. Ananya, 12 to go b4 you are goldie. Then you might like to back my up on my Hawaii vacation package suggestion😆

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago

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ananyacool

@ananyacool

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Posted: 16 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Another doubt I had - why was Maharishi Valmiki's ashram chosen? Sita was left near Sage Valmiki's ashram. I had two explanations in my mind. Rishi Bharadwaj's Ashram was too near Ayodhya and hence it would not have been completely satisfying for the people who wanted her out. The second - Rishi Bharadwaj was Sage Valmiki's desciple (Is it correct? I hope I'm not making a mistake - Sorry, friends, for being so vague. I am just posting the thoughts that come to my mind, no time to read other sources and confirm my doubts before I post them 😭) Ram may have thought that it will be better if Sita had been left with the Guru and also it was much farther from Ayodhya.

I read in one account that both the Bharadwajas; Valmiki's disciple and the Bharadwaj rishi whom R-L-S visit during their exile are the same. Is it correct??

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Khalrika

@Khalrika

Voyager

Posted: 16 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: Chandraketu
100 kms in 1 day? How did they travel?
If Valmiki's ashram was at Bithur, was that where RLS stopped during their exile? I thought his ashram was @ Chitrakoot. Or did Valmiki live at Chitrakoot during Dasharath's reign, but moved to Bithur during Rama's exile?
Vibs, if Rama asked Lakshman to leave Sita near Valmiki's ashram, wouldn't that have been the reason to ask Shatrughan to visit it? Also, was Valmiki's ashram in Rama's kingdom proper? In other words, didn't he decide to get Sita out of his kingdom as a whole, not just Ayodhya? And if that's the case, and if Valmiki's ashram was outside his kingdom, it might explain why he chose it. Also, Valmiki may have chosen this spot for his ashram precisely b'cos he foresaw that Rama & Sita would be needing him to be outside Ayodhya, come Vanvas II time.
P.S. Ananya, 12 to go b4 you are goldie. Then you might like to back my up on my Hawaii vacation package suggestion😆

Chandra, u r correct that there is no mention of Rama saying he will sacrifice the kingdom as per Valmiki. In fact, he tells Lakshman the story of King Nrga who was punished with hell for neglecting his duty towards his subjects as King.
Rama does cry and sheds a great many tears for Sita but Laksman to console him, he regains his equilibrium and continues his duty as King.

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Vibhishna

@Vibhishna

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Posted: 16 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: Chandraketu
100 kms in 1 day? How did they travel?
If Valmiki's ashram was at Bithur, was that where RLS stopped during their exile? I thought his ashram was @ Chitrakoot. Or did Valmiki live at Chitrakoot during Dasharath's reign, but moved to Bithur during Rama's exile?
Vibs, if Rama asked Lakshman to leave Sita near Valmiki's ashram, wouldn't that have been the reason to ask Shatrughan to visit it? Also, was Valmiki's ashram in Rama's kingdom proper? In other words, didn't he decide to get Sita out of his kingdom as a whole, not just Ayodhya? And if that's the case, and if Valmiki's ashram was outside his kingdom, it might explain why he chose it. Also, Valmiki may have chosen this spot for his ashram precisely b'cos he foresaw that Rama & Sita would be needing him to be outside Ayodhya, come Vanvas II time.
P.S. Ananya, 12 to go b4 you are goldie. Then you might like to back my up on my Hawaii vacation package suggestion😆

I thought Ram gave instructions to Lakshman to leave Sita in the forest near Maharishi Valmiki's Ashram and only he knew Lord Ram's orders. When he comes back, he speaks to only Lord Ram and says he has finished his mission. Did Shathrugan too know where Sita Devi was left in the forest? I thought he didn't know about it.

Dashrath and Ram were both referred to kings of Ayodhya (though the whole of Bharatvarsha was under their rule). So to banish Sita would mean banished from Ayodhya (my complete guess - I may be wrong).

As Ram explained to Vali, the whole of the land was given to the Suryavanshis to rule. Hence banishing someone may have meant that the person cannot enter cities, towns and villages but has to restrict himself (or herself) to forests. It is similar to the conditions of Ram's exile but I think it fits for all those who are banished or exiled.

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Vibhishna

@Vibhishna

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Posted: 16 years ago

#35

Originally posted by: ananyacool

I read in one account that both the Bharadwajas; Valmiki's disciple and the Bharadwaj rishi whom R-L-S visit during their exile are the same. Is it correct??

They both must have been the same. I haven't read of two different Bharadwaj Rishis being present at that time.

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ananyacool

@ananyacool

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Posted: 16 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

100 kms in 1 day? How did they travel?

If Valmiki's ashram was at Bithur, was that where RLS stopped during their exile? I thought his ashram was @ Chitrakoot. Or did Valmiki live at Chitrakoot during Dasharath's reign, but moved to Bithur during Rama's exile?

Vibs, if Rama asked Lakshman to leave Sita near Valmiki's ashram, wouldn't that have been the reason to ask Shatrughan to visit it? Also, was Valmiki's ashram in Rama's kingdom proper? In other words, didn't he decide to get Sita out of his kingdom as a whole, not just Ayodhya? And if that's the case, and if Valmiki's ashram was outside his kingdom, it might explain why he chose it. Also, Valmiki may have chosen this spot for his ashram precisely b'cos he foresaw that Rama & Sita would be needing him to be outside Ayodhya, come Vanvas II time.

P.S. Ananya, 12 to go b4 you are goldie. Then you might like to back my up on my Hawaii vacation package suggestion😆

Am trying as best I can......lets see.

Thanks for the package😉😆 I sure need a vacation; bored of my routine n work 😔

I was reading here: http://www.bhagwanvalmiki.com/ashram.htm

Now I am even more confused, ofcourse many places where Valmiki ashram is mentioned are not of Ramayan's time...

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 16 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Am trying as best I can......lets see.

Thanks for the package😉😆I sure need a vacation; bored of my routine n work 😔

I was reading here: http://www.bhagwanvalmiki.com/ashram.htm

Now I am even more confused, ofcourse many places where Valmiki ashram is mentioned are not of Ramayan's time...

I think it's a safe bet that it was neither in Kanyakumari nor Wolverhampton😆

Since you have quite a collection of Valmiki houses, here's one in dear Ayodhya itself - go to page 3 and look under Valmiki Bhavan

http://www.ayodhya.com/ayotemplet.jsp

Somewhat surprisingly, it seems to be the only place in Ayodhya that seems to idolize Kush & Luv.

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago

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Khalrika

@Khalrika

Voyager

Posted: 16 years ago

#38

Story of Satrughna and Lavanasur from Gita Press translation of Valmiki Ramayan: Part 1

All of this happens after Sita has been sent to Valmiki's ashram.

About 100 rishis come to the durbar of Shri Ram and ask for his protection. They tell Shri Ram the story of Madhu. Madhu was a righteous king who did a lot of good even if he was a Daitya by birth. Lord Shiva was so pleased with his goodness, he gives him a trident made from his own trident. He tells him that the trident will protect Madhu from his enemies if he remains a good person. The trident would reduce the enemy to ashes and return to the owner. Shivji also blesses him saying that the trident will belong to one of his sons after Madhu and as long as he (the son) has the trident no one can do anything to him.

Madhu has a son named Lavana by his wife Kumbhinasi, the daughter of Visravasu and Anala. Lavana is cruel from birth and his father Madhu is very greived by this. However, he does not do anything to stop Lavana. In his old age he gives the kingdom to Lavana and then enters the ocean. Lavan gives a lot of trouble to the rishi/munis.

So, the rish/munis come to Shri Ram for protection since Shri Ram killed Ravan. Rama enquires about Lavan's way of life, his eating habits and residence. The Rishis tell him that Lavana is cannibalistic and eats even human beings. When Shri Ram hears that he decided to have Lavana killed. He asks Bharata to go and kill Lavana. At that time, Satrughan intervens and says that Bharata has suffered a lot in Nandigram sleeping on the floor and eating only fruits and roots when Rama was in Vanavas. Satrughan asks Rama the permission to kill Lavana. Shri Ram agrees and tells him that after he will be consecrated the King of Madhura.

Then Satrughan is ashamed for speaking out before Bharata has a chance to reply to Shri Ram's request. He apologizes to Ramji. Ramji is pleased and then he asks Vasishta to coronate him as the king of Madhura even before he leaves for the battle. All the matas, brothers, wives, rishi/muni. people of Ayodhya rejoice and celebrate this coronation. It is so sad that Sitaji is not part of these celebrations. 😭😭😭

After that, Ramji places Satrughan on his lap and gives him a divine astra from Vishnuji to kill Lavana. He also advices Satrughan on the way to dodge the trident of Lavana. He tells him to fight Lavan before he enters his palace to get the trident. He asks him to take a huge army and stay on the banks of the ganges all summer. He then asks him to go alone and fight Lavana during the rainy season. He then send Satrughan on his way with a large army.

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Khalrika

@Khalrika

Voyager

Posted: 16 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

I think it's a safe bet that it was neither in Kanyakumari nor Wolverhampton😆
Since you have quite a collection of Valmiki houses, here's one in dear Ayodhya itself - go to page 3 and look under Valmiki Bhavan
http://www.ayodhya.com/ayotemplet.jsp
Somewhat surprisingly, it seems to be the only place in Ayodhya that seems to idolize Kush & Luv.

According to Valmiki Ramayan, Valmiki ashram is on the banks of the rive Tamasa and I quote,"On the other side of the Ganga, the hermitage of the great Sage Valmiki, which looks like a celestial abode on the river Tamasa. There in that hermitage O Lakshmana leaving her (Sita) and come here soon."

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

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Posted: 16 years ago

#40

Originally posted by: Mandodari

After that, Ramji places Satrughan on his lap and gives him a divine astra from Vishnuji to kill Lavana. He also advices

I have a question. No disrespect to either Ram-ji or Shatrughan-ji, but at what age does one stop putting people on their laps?😆