Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan - Page 47

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Vibs

Agree completely!

This also got me wondering - did Rakshashas allow widow remarriage? If yes, then sounds like rakshasha women were less likely to live miserable lives after being widowed. I'd wonder what Feminists would think about Rakshashas if they knew this about them?😆😆

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Sita

That's accurate. One of the factoids about the satitva pativratas - Savitri, Sita, Sulochana, Anusuya and 3 others whose names I don't recall - their husbands were monogynous, and married only them, and no one else. Note that other virtuous women, such as Kaushalya, Draupadi, Mandodari, et al, whose husbands did marry other wives, did not fall under this category. Another factoid was that none of Krishna's wives fell in this list - not even Rukmini.

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Good point Chandraketu! 👏👏👏 I never thoguht of it this way before . . .

Originally posted by: godisone

I think the reason for that is, no matter how virtuous a woman is, there is always a little glimmer of jealousy, no matter how little it is, that exists if there is a co-wife. For example, Draupadi was one of the Panch Maha Kanya, but she is not referred to as a Mahasati, because she was a little jealous of Subhadra, who was Arjuna's favorite wife. Even though Subhadra (oddly) was her favorite co-wife, there was still that little glimmer of jealousy. Same with Mata Kaushalya. She was a highly virtuous woman, and suffered a lot in her life, but she must have been jealous of Kaikeyi, who being the 3rd wife, became her husband's favorite wife. And it must have been terrible to have been treated worse than Manthara at the hands of Kaikeyi. Being the Chief Queen probably became her only "protection", and became the only reason Dasharath did not give all the divine amrut to Kaikeyi after the Putrakameshti Yagna.

Same with Kunti, Mandodari, Rukmini, etc.

A question , not a question but a poll you can say, what you believe or think about valmiki ramayan. his work is different from all other i.e most of the versions take into account ram being incarnation and god having most of godly power, for instance knowing the future , showing other his true form e.t.c e.t.c. The two of most earliyer writter of Ramayana is sage Valmiki and maharishi vyasha. both has written Ramayana in different way. sage vyasha considered ram as knowing he was god from very begining ( many puranas consist of several stories of ramayan but most renoned being Adhyatma ramayana which is a part of brahmand purana) goswami version matches much to vyasha cous both have many thing similar including telling of story as being discussion between uma and parvati. but sage Valmiki version is yet considered most authentic as he was contemporary of sri rama. So question is in which account these two people differs, i am talking about Valmiki and Maharishi vyasha, and to whome belive and why? i will put my vies latter but first want to know your all

Originally posted by: chen2chic

Indeed points worth to be pondered about.......But wonder why they were called Panch Maha Kanya? None of them was a Kanya, right?

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

A question , not a question but a poll you can say, what you believe or think about valmiki ramayan. his work is different from all other i.e most of the versions take into account ram being incarnation and god having most of godly power, for instance knowing the future , showing other his true form e.t.c e.t.c. The two of most earliyer writter of Ramayana is sage Valmiki and maharishi vyasha. both has written Ramayana in different way. sage vyasha considered ram as knowing he was god from very begining ( many puranas consist of several stories of ramayan but most renoned being Adhyatma ramayana which is a part of brahmand purana) goswami version matches much to vyasha cous both have many thing similar including telling of story as being discussion between uma and parvati. but sage Valmiki version is yet considered most authentic as he was contemporary of sri rama. So question is in which account these two people differs, i am talking about Valmiki and Maharishi vyasha, and to whome belive and why? i will put my vies latter but first want to know your all

Originally posted by: ananyacool

A wonderful discussion going on!!👏👏👏

Good points by Chandra bhaiya,Vibs, Sita ,Lalitha n Deepa

I'll add to the list of Pativratas

Sita,Sulochana,Savitri,Arundhati,Anusuya,Damayanti , Sukanya

Correct me if I'm wrong but the respective husbands of the above listed women didn't have another wife throughout their life and maybe thats why the wives of Krishna specially Rukmini doesn't find place among greatest pativratas. So "Pativratya" has something to do with men also.

There's one list of Pativratas which Sita herself mentions in Sundarkand, 24th chapt,verses 10,11,12 (Valmiki Ramayana)

(maybe that they were highly spoken of in those days)

"Like the highly fortunate Sachi who waits upon Indra, like Arundhati on Vasishta, like Rohini on the Moon God, like Lopamudra on Agastya, like Sukanya on Chyavana, like Savitri on Satyavanta, like Srimati on Kapila, like Madayanti on Saudasa, like Kesini on Sagara, like Damayanti the daughter of Bhima, devoted to husband Nala, in the same way I am devoted to my husband Rama, the best in Ikshvaku dynasty."

Barring moon nobody else had any other wife.

I personally feel that Kannagi too should find a place among the greatt pativratas ,just as Sita burnt the city of Lanka(through Hanuman) Kannagi too burnt the city of Madurai by her curse. Among the list of Pativratas only Sita and Kannagi are worshipped in temples.

Savitri too is worshipped but not in temples or she hasn't acquired the status of a goddess.

Coming to Panchakanyas

Ahalya ,Draupadi,Kunti, Tara,Mandodari

I think "Kanya" attribution is not a physical one because all of them have more than one man in their lives and have children too.

When Surya encounters Kunti, he tells that Kanya is derived from Kan which means "one who is wished for" so it means that Kanya doesn't necessarily have to be a 'Virgin'

Originally posted by: ananyacool

A wonderful discussion going on!!👏👏👏

Good points by Chandra bhaiya,Vibs, Sita ,Lalitha n Deepa

I'll add to the list of Pativratas

Sita,Sulochana,Savitri,Arundhati,Anusuya,Damayanti , Sukanya

Correct me if I'm wrong but the respective husbands of the above listed women didn't have another wife throughout their life and maybe thats why the wives of Krishna specially Rukmini doesn't find place among greatest pativratas. So "Pativratya" has something to do with men also.

There's one list of Pativratas which Sita herself mentions in Sundarkand, 24th chapt,verses 10,11,12 (Valmiki Ramayana)

(maybe that they were highly spoken of in those days)

"Like the highly fortunate Sachi who waits upon Indra, like Arundhati on Vasishta, like Rohini on the Moon God, like Lopamudra on Agastya, like Sukanya on Chyavana, like Savitri on Satyavanta, like Srimati on Kapila, like Madayanti on Saudasa, like Kesini on Sagara, like Damayanti the daughter of Bhima, devoted to husband Nala, in the same way I am devoted to my husband Rama, the best in Ikshvaku dynasty."

Barring moon nobody else had any other wife.

I personally feel that Kannagi too should find a place among the greatt pativratas ,just as Sita burnt the city of Lanka(through Hanuman) Kannagi too burnt the city of Madurai by her curse. Among the list of Pativratas only Sita and Kannagi are worshipped in temples.

Savitri too is worshipped but not in temples or she hasn't acquired the status of a goddess.

Coming to Panchakanyas

Ahalya ,Draupadi,Kunti, Tara,Mandodari

I think "Kanya" attribution is not a physical one because all of them have more than one man in their lives and have children too.

When Surya encounters Kunti, he tells that Kanya is derived from Kan which means "one who is wished for" so it means that Kanya doesn't necessarily have to be a 'Virgin'

intersting question chen2chic. Im not sure why there r two list of Panchamahasati( Sati, Savitri, Sita, Arudhati, Damyanti) n PanchaKanya (Draupadi, kunti, tara, Mandodari, Ahilya)

Ladies in the former list were given the title mahasati for their exeptional role as dutiful wife

whereas ladies in the later list (panchkanya) stepped outside the role of wife. They r five great personalities who dared do be different. They r the five most controvercial women of their era . Two of the five kanyas (Tara, Mandodari) dared to critize the unjust deed of their husband. they were misunderstood often. I think this status was given to them by Lord krishna

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

intersting question chen2chic. Im not sure why there r two list of Panchamahasati( Sati, Savitri, Sita, Arudhati, Damyanti) n PanchaKanya (Draupadi, kunti, tara, Mandodari, Ahilya)

Ladies in the former list were given the title mahasati for their exeptional role as dutiful wife

whereas ladies in the later list (panchkanya) stepped outside the role of wife. They r five great personalities who dared do be different. They r the five most controvercial women of their era . Two of the five kanyas (Tara, Mandodari) dared to critize the unjust deed of their husband. they were misunderstood often. I think this status was given to them by Lord krishna