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Vibhishna

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1171

Originally posted by: bharat9
After going through your posts here, it seems like that you all agree with this fact that when Lord Vishnu took the avatar as Lord Ram and Laxmiji as Sita, then there was no one living in chirr sagar, but they both were present on earth as Rama and Sita. i actually, to be honest wid u, never thought of this. Thought that Lord Vishnu ji always staysthere in chirr sagar. so, which one is the correct statement?

But then in Shri Krishna they also showd in this way that Lord Krishna was present on earch as well as in Golok ( the one above heaven where shri Krishna does raaslila wid all the Gopias and Radhaji).

Lord Krishna was different. He was everywhere and nowhere.

I have seen in many movies, serials, cartoons that when the Devas come to Lord Vishnu he disappears to take an avtaar to save them.

As to whether Lord Vishnu stayed in the milk ocean always, I am not sure.

By the way, the ocean on which Adhisesha floats bearing Lord Vishnu - is it the same one which was churned?

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bharat9

@bharat9

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1172

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Lord Krishna was different. He was everywhere and nowhere.

I have seen in many movies, serials, cartoons that when the Devas come to Lord Vishnu he disappears to take an avtaar to save them.

As to whether Lord Vishnu stayed in the milk ocean always, I am not sure.

By the way, the ocean on which Adhisesha floats bearing Lord Vishnu - is it the same one which was churned?

Not sure if it was the same ocean? mayb it wasnt.
Laxmji also appeared from the ocean which was churned. read it somewhere that since she appeared from there, hence Ocean is Her father. Is this correct?

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Vibhishna

@Vibhishna

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1173

Originally posted by: bharat9
But then, didnt Lord Rama knw that He was Lord Vishnu just like Lord Krishna did?

Lord Ram was not aware of the fact he was Lord Vishnu most of the time. Till he killed Ravan he had to believe that he was completely an ordinary human as Ravan can only be killed by a human. But on few occasions, Ram behaved like a God. After the killing of Ravan, at times he remembered who he was and after a while he went back to being a human.

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Vibhishna

@Vibhishna

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1174

Originally posted by: bharat9

Not sure if it was the same ocean? mayb it wasnt.
Laxmji also appeared from the ocean which was churned. read it somewhere that since she appeared from there, hence Ocean is Her father. Is this correct?

Yes, Goddess Lakshmi is referred to as the daughter of the ocean. Also, when Devi Lakshmi chose Lord Vishnu for her husband, the King of the Ocean gave her ornaments and silks as a father would give his daughter on her wedding.

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loveanime

@loveanime

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1175

But he didnt want to be referred to as god. He was more humble of his true powers. Krishna knew who he was and openly called himself as god.

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bharat9

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1176

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Lord Ram was not aware of the fact he was Lord Vishnu most of the time. Till he killed Ravan he had to believe that he was completely an ordinary human as Ravan can only be killed by a human. But on few occasions, Ram behaved like a God. After the killing of Ravan, at times he remembered who he was and after a while he went back to being a human.

Ok, this is going out of my head now!
If Lord Vishnu ji were not in chirr sagar but were present on earth as Lord Rama then surely he must be known, mayb secretly!

How about Sitaji then? Was she aware or she wasnt as well?

Another thing, if Ram ji was not aware then how come everyone they met during theri vanvas time called him 'Prahbu', and even before that ppl used to refer Him as 'prabhu'.

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bharat9

@bharat9

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1177

I know this very well that Lord Ram wanted to set examples for ordinary ppl as a human being, hence he didnt reveal his true identity to anyone.

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1178

Originally posted by: bharat9
But then, didnt Lord Rama knw that He was Lord Vishnu just like Lord Krishna did?

Rimi

See my 2nd post on this page. In short, answer is no, and that post describes why.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1120899&TPN=129

That's a major reason why I disbelieve any version of the Ramayan that has Rama knowing about who he was prior to Brahma revealing it to him.

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Samiksha Birla

@Savi13

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1179

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Rimi
See my 2nd post on this page. In short, answer is no, and that post describes why.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1120899&TPN=129
That's a major reason why I disbelieve any version of the Ramayan that has Rama knowing about who he was prior to Brahma revealing it to him.

i have one ques in that regard...
like Vishnu Rama too have blue skin color....
which surely make him differ from other ppl...
is that thing will not make ppl curious is he some normal human being or some divine power...
is tht also mentiones in Valmiki Ramayan thjat rama was blue skin just like Lord Vishnu...

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ananyacool

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Posted: 16 years ago

#1180

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Sorry for the delayed response.

Thanks for clarifying about the ratios.

And I agree with you that Sage Brighu's curse seemed to punish Sita more than Ram. I don't know why Sita Devi had to go through that. I wondered when I first heard the story of Sage Brighu's curse, "Why Ram needed to suffer being apart from his wife is explained. What about Sita? Why did she had to go through all that? Any story behind this too?"

Regarding Bhrigu's curse affecting Sita more, I'd like to say that aren't curses are all about the same??

When anybody is cursed/punished, the ones who are associated with them are most affected. You agree with this?

Often the repercussions of curses and punishment affects all the people associated with the one who is cursed.

One mistake from Ravan cost the lives of his entire clan ,isn't it? Ravan's sons ,wives and citizens didn't have anything to do with Ravan's mistake of abducting Sita yet they all were punished.

When Bhrigu cursed Vishnu that he'd bear separation from his wife in his life as human being, those associated with Rama also were cursed/punished in a way. What would pain Rama more? To see Sita suffer so much, thats what currses are all about.

Lav-Kush had done nothing wrong in any way, nay! they didn't exist even ,then why were they separated from their father?

Rama to paid a heavy price for the curse he bore, he never got to see the infancy n childhood of his sons 😭😭 which is considered the most precious thing in a father's life.

Curses and punishments are not always direct, In this illusional world each n every being is assoiated with somebody and our actions always affect those whom we're associated.

A law can physically punish the one who has wronged but the mental agony is suffered by the ones associated with him/her.