DOTW: Ravan and his deeds - Page 2

thanks rupa for this DOTW on RAVAN 😊.

Originally posted by: godisone

Shri Ram did not need anyone to fight the war. One arrow of his could have finished Ravan and his entire rakshas kul. There was no need for a full fledged war, but Shri Ram used the vanar sena and great warrios like Hanuman, Sugriv, Nal, and Neel because he wanted to give them also the chance to punish the wicked Rakshas Sena, and earn fame.

Originally posted by: sita11

how can anyone compare tht evil & dushtt shakuni with a great soul vibhishan ????

i think sharath u seriously need to read RAMAYAN & MAHABHARAT all over again ,

even a kid cud tell the difference between shakuni & vibhishan.

Rupali...i think u made an outstanding DOTW on Ravan and his deeds!!!!

If Ram had accepted Vibhishan for any selfish reason, then he would never have befriended Sugreev. Rather he would have made friendship with Vali because Vali could have easily defeated Ravan.

Originally posted by: sita11

thanks rupa for this DOTW on RAVAN 😊.

so many curses on ravans head .

wonder how he kept smiling after getting loads of curses😕.

all i can say is tht i don't remember any good deeds of ravan ,

all the evil deeds of ravan i know.

ravan was really a lusty man ,he abducted so many women😡.

all the brahman part in ravan was totaly destroyed ,he slowly became all rakshas😡.

only vibhshan was the true brahmin in ravans family !!!!😛

i read in one of the websites tht once ravan thought tht he wud make a stair upto the heaven ,so tht everyone cud pay visit to the heaven . the other good deed ravan thought of was to make the sea water sweet !! so tht everyone cud also drink sea water . But he thought later he wud accomplish these 2 dreams of his ,he indulged in all the monstrous stuff in his life & forgot these two great missions of his life .

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Ignoring the troll... 👎🏼

One question here - just as Ravan and Kumbhakarna were Jaya and Vijaya, who was Vibhishan i.e. what were his divine origins? It was said that because Kaikesi approached her husband at an inauspicious moment, the consequence would be that all her sons would be rakshashas. Upon her pleading, he granted that one of them would be virtuous, and that was Vibhishan. (Similarly, Atikay was portrayed in this serial as being either Madhu or Kaitabh, but was there also a divine origin of Indrajit?)

Rupali made an interesting observation about ghar ka bedi Vibhishan being a common proverb, and that brings up an intriguing question. Given how almost all people take Rama's side over Ravan's, why do they instantly associate Vibhishan with family rebellion, when the same thing could more accurately be said about Kaikeyi or Manthara?? I recently saw an excerpt of a movie where a corrupt man and his son accused his upright daughter of being a ghar-shatru Vibhishan, and her comeback was instantaneous - Vibhishan was betraying an evil doer such as Ravan, and her father seemed to choose a curious role model. It would seem to me that that would be the instant ready retort of anybody being accused of being a Vibhishan, whereas an accusation of being a Kaikeyi would be tougher to refute on an analogy plane.

On a related (to the DOTW topic), Ravan frequently boasts about being unconquered, but he was defeated on 3 occasions:

1. Bali (rakshasha ruler related to Prahlad, but not the same Bali who was humbled in Vamana-avatar) and failed to lift Hiranyakashipu's earrings

2. Kartavirya Arjuna/Sahasrabahu

3. Vali (as in Vali & Sugriv), in the episode depicted in the serial

And on top of this, he was held to a stalemate by another Ayodhya ruler Mandhata when his Shiv-trishul got locked with Mandhata's brahmastra, and Brahma got them to disengage in order to prevent the world from being destroyed by these 2 ultimate weapons being used against each other.

Oh, and the funniest part of his reign - rakshash ruler Madhu of Madhupura (later Mathura under Shatrughan) abducted Ravan's cousin Kumbheenasee, since at the time, Ravan was busy widowing Shurpanakha, Indrajit was going through his vrath including silence, Vibhishan was doing his tapas standing in water, while Kumbhakarna was asleep. Once Ravan got news of this, he invaded Madhu's kingdom, but by then, Kumbheenasee had already married Madhu and requested Ravan not to widow her. Ravan then befriended his new brother in law and got him to join him in an invasion of deva lok.
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The above story, in the light of all the women that Ravan ever abducted, is too funny for words - somebody abducting a sister of Ravan (because Ravan, Indrajit and Vibhishan were too busy with other things) and then getting away with it 🤣 🤣🤣

Originally posted by: sharath rocha

I compaired shakuni and vibhisan because-

1- both are kul drohi, shakuni ended kuru vansh and vibhisan ended his own

2-both are shrewd planner

I said vibhision was more dangerous and sinful than shakuni because

!- shakuni ended his sister kul but his plan was to end his sister's sister in law kul but vibhision betrayed and ended his own

2-shakuni wanted his nephew duryodhan to become king but vibhision wanted himself

3-vibhision killed his brother and married his beautiful wife mandodary irrespective of he was already married but shakuni never did something like this

dear sita11 I don't need cheak my sources and read ramayan and mahabharat i am just expressing my opinion thats it. these are comparision and there are many differences as well. some of the difference where vibhisan is better then sakuni are

1- shakuni sided adharma but vibhision sided dharma3

2-shakuni did all this because bhism married his sister with a blind just to take revenge of this but vibhision was humiliated by his brother ravan and kicked out of court

and like this many other, what is wroung in compairing two person???

Sharath,

Off topic, but since it's come up...

The comparison of Vibhishan and Shakuni is skewed because Shakuni did everything he did for Dhritarashtra & Duryodhan. Shakuni's better counterpart in the Ramayan would be Manthara, who wanted Bharat on the throne the same way Shakuni wanted Duryodhan. Of course, since Bharat was not remotely like Duryodhan, the comparison ends there. Vibhishan, otoh, was never interested in the throne for either himself nor any relatives, and in one of the accounts I've read, his son died fighting on Ravan's side. Essentially, Vibhishan survived all his relatives and was left with a completely destroyed kingdom. Emotionally, he'd have had everything to gain had he stuck by and died for Ravan the way Kumbhakarna did.

Conversely, Vibhishan's closest counterpart in the Mahabharat was Yututsu, Duryodhan's little known step brother who switched sides in the battlefield and joined the Pandavas. Militarily, he was no use to them, and his reasons for joining them were similar to Vibhishan's, except that he doesn't seem to have been humiliated the way Vibhishan was - something glossed over by Sharath. And unlike Rama, who had the prerogative of massacring Lanka had no such appeals from Vibhishan materialized (even though he most likely would not have), there was never any danger of the Pandavas massacring Hastinapur, since it was originally their father's kingdom. Therefore, even Yututsu appeared to be less loyal to his family than Vibhishan, although both rightly joined sides with what they considered as dharm.