DOTW: Ravan and his deeds

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rupali pandey

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Posted: 16 years ago

Jai Shri Ram
Hi all
We discussed on various topics .. Lets now start a discussion on Ravan and Family ...
Ravan was a born Brahmin (Brahmin Father but demon mother)...
Lets discuss All about Ravan , his nature, all curses, his good and bad deeds , brothers n all....
As we all know he wasnt that bad at young age but his mother

Kaikesi filled his mind with all evil deeds to take revenge from

God and get back Lanka for maternal parents...
Bcoz of all these unending evil teachings by mother(whom we all follow undoubtedly) Ravan turned into more a demon than a Brahmin ...

We all have demoness behaviour but Ravans behaviour
was more as was child of a Demon mother....

Points to dicuss is
His Trilok vijayi stories
His good n bad deeds
How he became devotee of Lord SHiv
All curses related to him
His brothers
His death

Curse by Bhrigu rishi

Before starting anything I just want to start with the curse that

Jay vijay the two door keepers
of Lord Vishnu received from Bhrigu RIshi / Sanat kumars

There are diff stories but result is same that Vishnuji was taking rest and rishis wanted to have his Darshan
so the two door keepers stopped those rishis from taking darshan

and those rishis inturn cursed both door keepers
to enter earth as demon....
Then later on apologize by door keepers, vishnuji relieved curse

by saying u both reach back my abode after getting killed by me thrice

So they took diff births and finally reached Vishnu Abode after Krishna (Dwapar Yug)

I am writing all this just to say a point that all what happened in

Ramleela and Krishna leela
was a play organised by Lord himself to get their door keepers back ...
and to teach us the good and bad effects of life...

How time and situations make a Man powerful and weak...
The best teachings we get from these two epics...

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rupali pandey

@rupalip

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Posted: 16 years ago

Ravans Life full of Curses...

Ravan was a brahmin ,son of visharwa and Grandson of Pulastya rishi ...
and in no way less knowledgable than these two but evil effects of mother ruined him completely..
This teaches " Dont follow everything blindly".

(1) Once Ravan was cursed by King Anaranya of Ikshwaku vansh(thats raghuvansh) that you will be killed
by one best Maha purush of my family ... thats Lord Ram..

(2) Vedvati also cursed him that she will take birth again and will become the reason of his death...
She took birth as Sitaji.

(3) Ravan recd boon from Brahmaji that he is safe from

everyone but dint added Human and monkeys ...
and finally was killed by those two.

(4) Ravan once laughed at Hari (monkey) faced statue of Nandishwar, so nandishwar cursed him to be defeated by vanars...

(5) Satiji(wife of shivji) cursed Ravan at the time he was trying to lift Kailash that a female is going to be the cause of your death...

(6) Nal-kuber cursed him that his head gonna burst in 7 pieces if he tried his power on any female without her wish.

These curses we already discussed, plz post more ....

Edited by rupalip - 16 years ago

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rupali pandey

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Posted: 16 years ago

Ravan and brothers...

Ravan and two brothers Kumbhkaran and vibhishan ...

We all know Kumbhkaran was powerful like Ravan

with demoness behaviour and follower of big bros.

but vIbhishan was Vishnujis devotee and followed path of dharam ...

we all saw last week that Kumhkaran said to vibhishan that

I know u r rt and it is quiet possible that
whole of our family gonna get killed in this war but still I am on side of Brother Ravan
I wont let him alone in this situtaion and even you followed right path of dharm helping Shri Ram
but still you wont be liked by anyone as you cheated your own family ...

Ghar ka bhedi vibhishan is a famous line we all use .....

here I agree with Kumbhkaran ...
Though vibhishan helped Lord Ram all throughout the war ..
but why? Did Lord Ram wanted him to do this?
He came to Lord Rams rescue when Ravan insulted him and

he was there to help Ravan only
but later when problem dint got solved and war started

he knew that now whole lanka gonna be killed in this war
then also why he helped Lord Ram ....
He only came to seek lOrd Rams help as he wanted to save

Lanka from all destruction but then why he

helped Lord Ram in killing Ravan ...

Why he dint adopted tapasya or vanvas

instead of helping RAmji...?

Edited by rupalip - 16 years ago

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purvi

@coolpurvi

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Posted: 16 years ago

good DOTW. I'll participate. But im facing problem with my internet connection.hope it'll get solved

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Janaki

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: rupalip

Ravan and brothers...

Ravan and two brothers Kumbhkaran and vibhishan ...

We all know Kumbhkaran was powerful like Ravan

with demoness behaviour and follower of big bros.

but vIbhishan was Vishnujis devotee and followed path of dharam ...

we all saw last week that Kumhkaran said to vibhishan that

I know u r rt and it is quiet possible that
whole of our family gonna get killed in this war but still I am on side of Brother Ravan
I wont let him alone in this situtaion and even you followed right path of dharm helping Shri Ram
but still you wont be liked by anyone as you cheated your own family ...

Ghar ka bhedi vibhishan is a famous line we all use .....

here I agree with Kumbhkaran ...
Though vibhishan helped Lord Ram all throughout the war ..
but why? Did Lord Ram wanted him to do this?
He came to Lord Rams rescue when Ravan insulted him and

he was there to help Ravan only
but later when problem dint got solved and war started

he knew that now whole lanka gonna be killed in this war
then also why he helped Lord Ram ....
He only came to seek lOrd Rams help as he wanted to save

Lanka from all destruction but then why he

helped Lord Ram in killing Ravan ...

Why he dint adopted tapasya or vanvas

instead of helping RAmji...?

First of all, great topic!👏 I don't have much time at the moment to give a detailed answer/opinion, so I will give a short one. I promise to come back for a longer discussion later on.😳

My dad once told me that Vibhishan went to Rama as a devotee would go to his lord, not as someone who would help him defeat Ravan, his brother. Eventually, he did help, but that was only out of love for his Lord.

Also, a question to consider is, Is the Supreme Lord an enemy to anyone, even those like Ravana? Therefore, was it wrong for Vibhishana to join with Rama?

One thing also. Ravan kicked Vibhishan out of his kingdom and told him that if he saw him in his kingdom ever again, he would give him the death penalty. It was Ravan who kicked Vibhishan out. Vibhishan never left Lanka on his own accord. Moreover, he seeked his mother's councel once more before leaving Lanka, and she told Vibhishan that it was his Dharma to do whatever possible to save Lanka's praja. She advised him to join Rama, because he, his brother Lakshman, and the vanar sena were the only ones who could defeat and kill Ravan and whoever fought for him.

It's correct that Lakshman, Bharat, and Shatrughan would never have gone against their brother, but then again, Rama was the ideal brother and king. He was never immoral, and he was the epitome of Dharma. He was perfect in every way. What need would ever arise to revolt against him?

Now Ravan on the other hand, while being a great Shiva Bhakt, was lead astray by his weakness for women and Adharma. Ravana was knowledgeable in all the Vedas and Scriptures. He knew the rules of Dharma and Adharma, and he was also a kind husband and father, but all of his merits and the fruits of his tapasyas were destroyed when he desired others' wives, destroyed yagnas, and killed rishis. And Ravan did not like advise if it went against his actions, so barely anyone went against his wishes.

It says in our scriptures that if a King goes astray, it is the duty of the subjects to curb his behavior. If they do not, they are equal in blame and will get punished by God along with him. As a younger brother, Vibhishana was also Ravana's subject, so he did his Dharma by doing whatever was possible to save the citizens of Lanka, so no blame can go on him. While Kumbhakarna is greatly applauded for his dedication to his brother, he was only half right in sticking with Ravana. He insisted that one must stick with their elder brother no matter what, but that is not right in all cases, because if that elder brother is a King, that would make the younger brother his subject, and therefore give him a right to chastize the king if that king is doing something wrong.

A younger brother must not revolt against an older brother if the older brother follows Dharma, but if the older brother is doing Adharma, it is the duty of the younger brother to revolt (if all other advise does not work).

I don't think Vibhishana did Tapasya or went into exile instead of helping Ramji, because that would not have saved the citizens of Lanka. As a member of the royal family, it was also Vibhishana's duty to protect the citizens of Lanka, and if in the long run, protection meant going against the king, then so be it. No one else bothered to go against Ravan, so if fell on Vibhishana's shoulders to protect the praja or Lanka from complete annihilation.

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rupali pandey

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: godisone

Hi lalita

agree with u on kks part.....

n ofcourse vibhishans also ...

waiting to here more stories related to this topic...

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Samiksha Birla

@Savi13

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Posted: 16 years ago

good dotw....Rupa di.....
regarding ur ques why he did not accept the exile or do tapaysya
i find this ques interesting................
but here raise the ques if he did accepted these will Ramji able to win the war without him....
i mean he played crucial role during war.......
so if he has not helped him how will Ramji win the war....
thsnks for the info u share about Ravan

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Janaki

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: sharath rocha
Vibhision is comparable with sakuni. both are drohi. don't you find vibhision joined rams army because he was kicked out and was afraind to be imprisoned and had no place to go. ram accepting his has also self if we look from other side. who could be better informer to ram then kings brother and you know what ram winning the battle is onle because of information from vibhisan. vibhision was a kul-drohi, a putra drohi and you know this man married mandodary after killing his brother ravan.. oh i compaired his with shakuni but he is more sinful and **** than shakuni. shakuni after all distroyed his sister kul but this man vibhision distroyed his own kul.

Once again, and this goes to anyone else also, Vibhishan DID NOT marry Mandodari, who was a pativrata and stayed true to the memory of her husband after his death. You will never understand the actions of Vibhishan, because your mind tries to look for the bad in every single character in Ramayan, even Maryada Purushotham Shri Ram. Even after Ravan's death, Vibhishan gave Mandodari the title of Empress, but he never looked at her other than the wife of his late brother, so equal to his mother.

And I would appreciate it if you can stop degrading Shri Ram. Shri Ram did not accept Vibhishan because of selfish reasons. He accepted him because Vibhishan asked him for protection, and Shri Ram had made a vow that even if Ravan had asked him for protection, he would give it. You cannot recognize the greatness of Rama. Ram was not like Ravan, who tried to use tricks and sorcery to win the war. Shri Ram used Dharma and Dharma only in war, and he won because of that.

Shri Ram did not need anyone to fight the war. One arrow of his could have finished Ravan and his entire rakshas kul. There was no need for a full fledged war, but Shri Ram used the vanar sena and great warrios like Hanuman, Sugriv, Nal, and Neel because he wanted to give them also the chance to punish the wicked Rakshas Sena, and earn fame.

I already wrote about Vibhishan's reason for joining Shri Ram in the top. You can read that if you want, or if you enjoy looking for the bad in everyone, go ahead. I really don't care.

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Vrish

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Posted: 16 years ago

Ignoring the troll... 👎🏼

One question here - just as Ravan and Kumbhakarna were Jaya and Vijaya, who was Vibhishan i.e. what were his divine origins? It was said that because Kaikesi approached her husband at an inauspicious moment, the consequence would be that all her sons would be rakshashas. Upon her pleading, he granted that one of them would be virtuous, and that was Vibhishan. (Similarly, Atikay was portrayed in this serial as being either Madhu or Kaitabh, but was there also a divine origin of Indrajit?)

Rupali made an interesting observation about ghar ka bedi Vibhishan being a common proverb, and that brings up an intriguing question. Given how almost all people take Rama's side over Ravan's, why do they instantly associate Vibhishan with family rebellion, when the same thing could more accurately be said about Kaikeyi or Manthara?? I recently saw an excerpt of a movie where a corrupt man and his son accused his upright daughter of being a ghar-shatru Vibhishan, and her comeback was instantaneous - Vibhishan was betraying an evil doer such as Ravan, and her father seemed to choose a curious role model. It would seem to me that that would be the instant ready retort of anybody being accused of being a Vibhishan, whereas an accusation of being a Kaikeyi would be tougher to refute on an analogy plane.

On a related (to the DOTW topic), Ravan frequently boasts about being unconquered, but he was defeated on 3 occasions:

1. Bali (rakshasha ruler related to Prahlad, but not the same Bali who was humbled in Vamana-avatar) and failed to lift Hiranyakashipu's earrings

2. Kartavirya Arjuna/Sahasrabahu

3. Vali (as in Vali & Sugriv), in the episode depicted in the serial

And on top of this, he was held to a stalemate by another Ayodhya ruler Mandhata when his Shiv-trishul got locked with Mandhata's brahmastra, and Brahma got them to disengage in order to prevent the world from being destroyed by these 2 ultimate weapons being used against each other.

Oh, and the funniest part of his reign - rakshash ruler Madhu of Madhupura (later Mathura under Shatrughan) abducted Ravan's cousin Kumbheenasee, since at the time, Ravan was busy widowing Shurpanakha, Indrajit was going through his vrath including silence, Vibhishan was doing his tapas standing in water, while Kumbhakarna was asleep. Once Ravan got news of this, he invaded Madhu's kingdom, but by then, Kumbheenasee had already married Madhu and requested Ravan not to widow her. Ravan then befriended his new brother in law and got him to join him in an invasion of deva lok.
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The above story, in the light of all the women that Ravan ever abducted, is too funny for words - somebody abducting a sister of Ravan (because Ravan, Indrajit and Vibhishan were too busy with other things) and then getting away with it 🤣 🤣🤣

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sita

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: sharath rocha
Vibhision is comparable with sakuni. both are drohi. don't you find vibhision joined rams army because he was kicked out and was afraind to be imprisoned and had no place to go. ram accepting his has also self if we look from other side. who could be better informer to ram then kings brother and you know what ram winning the battle is onle because of information from vibhisan. vibhision was a kul-drohi, a putra drohi and you know this man married mandodary after killing his brother ravan.. oh i compaired his with shakuni but he is more sinful and **** than shakuni. shakuni after all distroyed his sister kul but this man vibhision distroyed his own kul.

how can anyone compare tht evil & dushtt shakuni with a great soul vibhishan ????

i think sharath u seriously need to read RAMAYAN & MAHABHARAT all over again ,

even a kid cud tell the difference between shakuni & vibhishan.

Edited by sita11 - 16 years ago