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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by godisone
I'm not saying I'm against abortion in cases of rape and incest, because I really really feel for the poor innocent women who get violated in the most horrendous way, but I also feel equally sorry for the poor fetus, who will never have a chance to see the world, experience life's pain and joy, etc. Why do things like these have to happen in the world?😭 Why can't babies be conceived when they're wanted only? I know this is the kalyug and all, but I get sooooo angry when I think of all the injustice that happens in the world. It is times like this when I wonder why we have to wait until the Kalki Avatar for this to end. Why can't Shri Ram come again to this world and kill Ravan (in the form of the sins of today)?
Sorry guys, I started going out of context.
@Rajnish: You're right. I already posted this poem somewhere in this forum I just remembered. Sorry!
I agree with you whole-heartedly that if someone decides to get an abortion, it should be the decision of BOTH parents, unless the pregnancy is the cause of Rape or incest. In that case, it should be the decision of the victim only, because it's the victim who suffers.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I dont support abortion but its not that bad in case of Rape or incest. Abortion shud be avoided as far as possible. According to hinduism a child is born with conception. So child is considered as person (capable of having rights) under hinduism

I feel that that there shud be more restrictions under present indian law on abortion. Every unborn child in womb has right to life. He has right to see the wortd. Child rights r always seen from adult's view point. They shud be anlayzed from child's view point
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: coolpurvi

I dont support abortion but its not that bad in case of Rape or incest. Abortion shud be avoided as far as possible. According to hinduism a child is born with conception. So child is considered as person (capable of having rights) under hinduism

I feel that that there shud be more restrictions under present indian law on abortion. Every unborn child in womb has right to life. He has right to see the wortd. Child rights r always seen from adult's view point. They shud be anlayzed from child's view point

I agree with you completely purvi di! I feel so sad whenever I hear of abortions done by parents who just don't want their children.😭 In cases of Rape or Incest, I think it is different, but in other cases, I feel that abortion should not be allowed.
In my High School, we had a project in Morality Class where we had to research and talk to the class about different issues on morality( ex: rape, abortion, child abuse, etc), and one girl who had the topic of Abortion told us all the different ways abortion was done, and some of the procedures were just so terrible. I left that class with a totally different view on abortion that day.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I agree with both Purvi Di and Durga. You pretty much said everything I felt.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I agree with godisone, purvi, durga, and everyone...I am definitely against abortion. It's so sad!!!!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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One question.
Why do you think that abortion is justified in case of rape.?
Note: - I am not saying that it is not justified. I am asking this question to understand your point of view in more detail.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: akhl

One question.

Why do you think that abortion is justified in case of rape.?
Note: - I am not saying that it is not justified. I am asking this question to understand your point of view in more detail.

This question has so much value to it in that I am also, like every1 else, against abortion. But even though, as purvi pointed out, it should be avoided b/c it is a conception of a child even under rape...the main point for us to understand is that a conception caused by rape MAY have emotional turmoil involved. Like for example...THIS IS A REAL STORY BY THE WAY, my co-worker is 70+ years old & she adopted her grandson, b/c he was born to my co-workers daughter out of rape!!!!! The girl did however go thru with the pregnancy, but eventually there was no damage control to her emotions......Her mother, meaning my co-worker, ended up adopting the baby boy & raised him & everytime the boy & his biological mother came face to face...the girl that was raped had hysterical emotions that ACTUALLY caused her to go thru flashbacks of the incident, crying hysterically, & goes thru repeated breakdowns......& this is still after 22 years of the incident happening!!!!
If we think with the facts here...I think a girl who is raped shud be entitled to have the choice of abortion...some even go as far as giving birth to the baby & keeping it (if they are strong & courageous in my definition) & some end up giving the baby up for adoption.....
Sometimes, as bad as this may sound & god forbid, we have to put ourselves in that situation of the horrible incident & consider what would we do if there was a conception out of rape1!!!! It's sad, but I see it a lot since i myself work in a medical setting!!!!
I'm sorry if i ended up offending ne1...but this is really something i've seen & its given me a whole new outlook on abortion...overall, i am against the idea of abortion...but in the case of rape, its a whole different situation & story (depending on the victim's situation)
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I m trying to answer avinash's questions form child's view point. A women who gets pregnent by rape hardly seems happy. Her psychological condition harms the child.
For a good upbringing love of both mother n father is neccesary. Both have different n important effect on child's personality. such child who is born of Rape or incest hardly gets this. sometimes even his/her mother hates him. such child might becomes pessimist or negative.
Many of my friends who r doing course in social work did some research on that. Except few cases its very difficult for such child to led a life of dignity n prosperity. Life without dignity is equal to death.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I asked why it is abortion in case of rape is justified. I got responses, which I was not aware of. And those are very good responses.
I think there is one more reason why some women (and also her family) want abortion if she conceives because of rape. The reason is that many people in soceity (especially in India) look down upon women, who are victims of rape. Therefore, they tried to hide it.
A few months back, I read a news in newspaper. A few years back, a girl was raped. Her family complained to authorities. But the culprit was not punished. Then the girl's family stopped persuing the matter. In the mean time, the girl got married. The law took its course and after a few years, the culpirt was punished by court.
The media people met the girl's parents and also the girl and congratulated them on their victory.
The girl's parent were very angry. They said, "Our daughter is happily married. Then why are these media people letting everybody know that she was once raped. Now those who did not know earlier, they also know. He husband did not know and now he knows."
The girls also said that it was not right to let everybody know about the incident.
So, as you see, in spite of so much of developments, there are still many people in society who look upon a victim of rape with disgust.
In my opinion, such a mentality should immediately change. It is utterly stupid and ridiculous to blame the victim for a crime. For every crime, the criminals should be blamed, not the victims.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Ur very right akhl...the victims do get blamed for the crime vs. the criminal...& it is quite disgusting...but kya kare, this is Kal Yug after all!!!!!
Also to point out...the heinous crime of rape' & its reaction by society also depends in what society one has been around ...Like u said in India it still is blamed upon the girl...& i'm not trying to make this sound any better, but in america I have noticed that girls that get raped receive more of an empathy from society vs. disgust (meaning they even get the support syste from strangers & family, friends)....with that being said, the emotions of a girl does not really change ,however, no matter what society they are from...like the self-confidence level has reached an all time low, they feel like they are not worth anything!!!!!
But still it depends on the support system....in the case where u said the girl had her family backing her up & also she got married ( I felt really happy for her).....but the mentality of media itself is what can tear up any relationship!!!!!
I hope I didn't offend ne1 on this message...if i have I TRULY apologize!!!!!

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