Discuss generic ethics related issues - Page 4

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

yup girl child is the worst victim of abortion. I did a project on female feticide and infanticide. The statistics are horrible. just see the sex ratio of our country. Sex ratio is quite nornal in normal n condition of women is not bad in North East. I read that in 1980 when sex dermination techqnique wan newly launched slogan like this were written outside some sonography clinic " Pay 500 now save future 5000"---- thus people were encouraged to feticide.

We can't blame our laws. dowry n insecurity that parent feel in upbringing a girl child in some remote arears n rural areas r the cause of it

so far a street children are concerned I dont think abortion can solve this problem. I dont agree with u what u said in ur second para

A child in womb under hinduinsm is a person. Under hinduism aborting is considered as killing. Birth begins with conception

The decision of abortion shud not be taken in haste

Originally posted by: luv_khwaish

Hi Purvi,

I was not advocating the cause of abortion but i was trying to say that those who can't give good upbringing to children must not even conceive them..they must be taught the methods of contraception and precautions...but a large percentage of lower class people think "bache bhagwan ka roop hain" and go on producing one after other..those children have to beg for their living and go through hell, some might become criminals ...my servant has 6 children! my maid has 4 children..the monthly earning of their family must be 3000-4000 Rs .how can they support their family? why not have just 1 or 2 children and give them good upbringing?

This is not related to abortion..but having kids is a big big responsibility and one must try only when he/she is ready to take the responsibility....

In Mahabharat, Ganga drowned her 7 sons in the water to give them "mukti" ..It's not a case of abortion but anything which is created has to be destroyed..whether in womb or 1 month or 60 years...Ganga wanted to give them mukti..in all our scriptures & epics, whenever any rishi is giving a curse to God, he says "tumhe mrityu lok mein janm lena hoga"..i mean to say is this a curse to be born on Earth? go through the cycle of birth and death? if yes then what Ganga did at that time was right...

I think abortion must not be banned or made legal..Sometimes abortion is the only solution and it's plausible in these cases..

1) in case of rape

2) in case a couple already has 1-2 children and they don't want more kids (if conception happens by accident..there r many many cases like this..someone i know accidently conceived when she was 40..she had no choice but to abort 😳..she had grown up kids)

3) in case it's proven that the child will be born with physical/mental disability..i've seen parents and children suffer due to this..i believe in this case it's better to abort ..i think recently there was a case where a couple was fighting a case in court..they wanted the permission to abort the child bec. he would not be born normal)

unfortunately people misuse it for their selfish means... preferring a boy child over a girl..they abort the girl child bec. they only want sons!

Charu

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

Beware of websites
I am writing this on the basis of my personal experience. It is a request to all don't believe in content of websites. Please don't read any holy book online. If you want to read any scriptures buy the original don't read online publication of any holy book as there is so many variations, many many unauthentic things being added in these book

Many people i found yet use internet and Google to know the stories of our epic. but they don't realize that internet has so many unauthentic things. people instead of being aware of reality starts believing in these crap things. people in internet deliberately post these stories to send wrong message to mankind. they write there own views to spread there msg. for example you can check these sites

http://humanists.net/avijit/article/oh_hindu_awake.htm

http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/s_es/s_es_kishw_sitaram.htm

recently in news paper and T.V news i had seen the same issue. there survey said many of the things about our scriptures and religion in internet are wrong. I don't know why the people are doing this😕. By reading these things People start believing those point of view which is wrong. recently this forum has been affected a lot because a person believing in internet version of valmiki ramayan and ramcharitramanas posted wrong and crap info about virtuous characters of Ramayana. recently a person in KHMK forum mocked at virtuous character of MB because he also would have believed the point of view in internet.😕

Originally posted by: desichica

You both have valid points...

@ charu.....I dont think a lot of the lower class society thinks "baache bhagwan ka roop hai" has much to do with it & hence the constant reproduction. But think of it this way, as u said if that lower class family has only 3000-4000 rs as their monthly income obviously they also dont have much to afford medical attention!!!!! this is where we should think they dont have any means of contraceptives that can avoid pregnancies...Now we all know that certain over the counter contraceptives are not 100% effective, so those are certain things we should consider!!!!!! But i do agree that sometimes abortion is the answer (even though i'm against majority of it, with a few exceptions) when you have some1 with RAPE & when couples know that their child is possible to have MAJOR birth defects!!!!! In this case we must comprehend that there is so much financial & emotional stress involved with kids who will or may be born with birth defects....So its better to abort the fetus vs. having to go thru the pain & suffering of seeing your child go thru difficulties & stress!!!!!!

@ coolpurvi....You are right on that abortion should be avoided as much as possible...but as far as conception thru RAPE & conception with possible birth defects...I've seen it first hand thru my own patients & friends that i have known that have gone thru this...I used to think similarly..."why punish the child".....but at the same time ONLY the victim & parents can consider this as if they are willing to face a child that will face so much criticism not only from society but also from the victim that has the child...will that victim be able to face that child without consciously thinking that this child is conceived out of rape....like i said b4, some victims are strong enough to face it, keep it or give it up for adoption....& some do not want to deal with more emotional trauma1!!!! As far as the birth defects is concerned, I have a close friend who is dealing with this everyday & at the end of the day she has devoted all of her time, energy to her child that is basically impaired in so many ways, that whenever i see her son i feel this sinking pain in my heart...so imagine what my friend must be going thru....

Its like Charu noted that in Mahabharat, Ganga Ma liberated 7 of her kids because that was part of destiny!!!!! So if a child is meant to be, it will stay no matter what....if not, the child will be liberated of life in one form or another!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by: godisone

Hmmm.....can't say. Euthanasia is a very tricky subject to form an opinion on.

I believe that no one's life should be taken any time, no matter what, but what if they are in deep pain and wish it themselves? Can't explain...what do you all think of all this?