The Ramayana till now: an assessment

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Perfect casting of the principals:I love this version of the Ramayana mainly because they have got the key factor absolutely right - to wit the casting of Lord Rama, who has the regal bearing and the detached air of nobility that is so essential for God made man, and of Lakshmana, who is all unquestioning devotion and obedience to his elder brother, with a simmering readiness to take on the whole world in his defence. These two are so perfect that they more than make up for any failings in the other characters, the set design, the costumes and the like.

Sita is all right, if a trifle too ready to let her eyes brim over with tears, and she is also very conventionally coy and shy. This is perhaps because this version is said to be based on the Ramcharitmanas of Tulsidas, which is a 16th century work and reflects the attitudes towards women at that time. So she would be probably be closer to Tulsidas' demure Sita than to the stronger Sita of the Adi Kavya, the Valmiki Ramayana.

Regardless of this Sita's stillness and shyness, the glances exchanged between her and Lord Rama are far more romantic than anything in any other TV serial.

The costumes: I think they use those rather gaudy costumes, which seem to have come in for some justifiable criticism in this forum, because they know that the public expects that after the 1986 version and the 1988 Mahabharata. The only realistic costumes for the epics were in Shyam Benegal's monumental series on the history of India, based on Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru's The Discovery of India. But that would not have done for such a major commercial production. It must be really uncomfortable for the poor actors to wear all that stuff day in and day out and also still look at ease!

New sequences?:
They are also showing some unexpected bits that I am not sure were there in the earlier Ramanand Sagar version of 1986, though his grandaughter Meenakshi has been quoted now as stressing that "nothing new can be included in the story" which would be the same as in the 1986 version.

The point about Lord Rama being a manglik is well known; my grandmother used to mention his chevvaai dosham, which is the same thing. Apparently his horoscope had Mangal in the 7th house, which meant separation from his spouse (patniviyogam).

But I had not heard of the very short-lived plan for a second marriage for him. Perhaps the Ramcharitmanas, which I have not read, and on which this version is said to be based, has something on it. I would appreciate hearing from some more knowledgeable person about this point.

However, what really foxed me in last Sunday's episode was the so-called pratiyogita between Rama and Bharata. I would be grateful if someone could enlighten me as to the source on which this was based.

This apart, the questions asked did not seem to be earth-shattering, and the answers seemed opaque and hardly convincing, especially Rama's about the pancha agnis to be revered. Moreover, the division between the first and the second segments of the pratiyogita was not at all clear, as the questions were not tailored to bring out the difference between the parts that was underlined by the Rajaguru Vasishta in his opening statement.

Goof up in announcement of result of the pratiyogita: The strangest thing of all was that after all that stress laid by Vasishta on the need for the praja to be convinced that the final choice was the correct one (which is his reason for having it in the first place), he never bothered to explain to the selfsame praja, not to speak of the royal household, WHY Rama won despite coming in second.

I am not saying that the surprise test was wrong. In fact it was perfectly conceived for testing whether the candidate would place the need to help his subject ahead of his own need to win the contest. The problem was that this was NOT explained at all to all those who were not present there- and this would include the whole gathering except Rama, Bharata and the pseudo-potter. All these people, especially the praja, would know nothing except that Bharata came back first even if he did not have the ekamukha rudraksha.

That sanyasi masquerading as a potter was shown to the assemblage, but the much needed clarification as to his role in the proceedings, and about what had actually happened and why, was missing.

What then would the praja have understood? Or misunderstood? Why could they not have had Vasishta speak just a couple of sentences more to clarify this? As things stood, the praja could not have been blamed if they had concluded that the contest was rigged in favour of Rama.

Kaikeyi:
The great emphasis placed in this version on Kaikeyi's overweening love for Rama, which is almost an obsession, for she hardly seems to bother about her own son Bharata, and her possessiveness about Rama, also struck me as new. Would you folks agree? It will be interesting to see how they rationalise her 180 degrees turnaround in the next 2 episodes; it will need an abrupt character rebooting that seems to me to be potentially very difficult to accomplish convincingly.

Need to avoid Urdu words:
Finally, the writers have to be very careful at all times to avoid any words derived from the Urdu, which would of course be anachronistic. I find that in this Ramayana, they are almost, but not 100% foolproof in this respect. I have so far spotted a few slip ups like jaldi (spoken by Sita's mother Rani Sunayana), shaadi, and theek, which should have been sheegra, vivah/ parinay, and sahi. Perhaps I am nitpicking, but in the old 1988 Mahabharata, they were 100% accurate in this respect, nor did they use bhaiyya instead of bhrata, or just mata, pita etc. They always added shree.

A minor query:
Sita was shown washing Lord Rama's feet when Manthara (why do they both call her Manthara Ma?) turns up. I know that it was the proper protocol for the king to wash the feet of visiting holy men as a mark of respect, but they have never shown Dasharatha's queens washing his feet. Why then is Sita alone shown as doing this? I do not mean this as a feminist protest, which would be ridiculous as the Ramayana is not a contemporary work. I just want to know if this was a regular practice in those days, and would welcome any clarification that someone in the forum might have.

Finally, regardless of some relatively small lacunae, I think this Ramayana is going to be a wonderful viewing experience.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


PS: An aside that might interest some of you. The actor who plays Raja Janaka in this Ramayana also plays Lord Brahma in Devon ke Dev Mahadev. I am still trying to identify Vishwamitra and will revert if I succeed in this quest. I simply cannot understand why our TV shows, and not just this one, cannot include a frame with the cast, at least of all the major characters, at the end.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Shyamala Aunty,
I agree with most part of your post. I like how this version shows Ram and Laxshman's character very well. I did not know that this was Tulsidas version they were playing rather than Valmiki thanks fro the info. I also had nevr heard about the plan of remarriage for Ram. I have heard the story many times and watched other versions also but I never knew about that part.
About the costumes.. for the most part they are ok as I have seen alot worse!! But yes they could be better...
I missed the Kaikeyi part so I dont know what exactly happened then. Though whenever I watch it I always think don't the other brother's feel bad as always it is about Ram to the parents, but Ram himself takes care of his brothers.
Parshuram was tatya guru from Jhansi ki rani!
Have a nice weekend and happy deepavali!
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Shyamala dearest,

I do agree with you on your assessment. My knowledge is solely based on Valmiki's work. I already told you that the costumes are very unrealistic, in my opinion. In this day and age, they could have tried a realistic approach. Kaikeyi's costume is too much OTT. I wish, it was tone down quite a bit. Kaikeyi's love for Ram too is something that I didn't know about. In fact, if she loved him so much, could she have requested Dasaratha to exile him for 12 yrs?

I also, didn't see them showing that Sita was born from a furrow of a field and hence, Sita. I thought the significance was that Sita was born and went back to mother Earth in the end. Did they show this part of the epic? I so much, again wanted to understand this, but I might have missed it in the episodes too, since, I have missed a couple, I know. I also wish Sita, wasn't shown so shy. This is something I find hard to accept, especially women were very much authoritative and forward thinking, never shying away, as is shown. This isn't like the women in Indian's epics or in typical Indian families at all. You also probably know where I am coming from. This is probably why; I like DKDM more, where Prasuti has a firm head on her beautiful shoulders. It is hard to show though, being authoritative and subjugating to a husband all at once, but, it also points towards self-respect and having a healthy sense of pride. I so wish, that this came across in the episodes. Sita is a princess in her own right, and she also knows that she is an equal in the marital relationship with Ram. A fine balance, but the Cvs needs to convey it.

As for the pratiyojita, I might have missed it, or I think we are an episode behind. I will watch this Sunday's episode closely and see if the online version matches the one they are telecasting on Sunday. Will let you know.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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thanks for sharing your assessment, i am totally agree.

i m mostly impressed with the caste, the casting of lord rama is amazing, gagan has very calm face, polite smile eveything and also his tallness is dominating most in the show which looks really very nice.i think this casting is the most wonderful casting of this show.

laxman also, neil is perfect for laxman man's role he is absolutely fits for this role.

sita's casting also has done very well, neha has the calm and very polite face. she looks so innocent that fits totally for this divine role of sitaji.

i love this version of ramayan a lot and most.

they are showing something different from which we are not aware, but there is a lot of version of ramayan may be they found these things also from somewhere.
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SHyamala and Kalapi dear welcome to Ramayana Section..
Loved reading your assessment and agree..Although I have not read any version so cant take credit, Q or A...What I have seen is 1988 Ramayana Series.
Though from what I have heard from my mother years back few things you mentioned-questioned were off for me too..
But I am in love with the actor-character Lord Rama and Laxman...Most of the casting is perfect to the T...Another one I love is Sage Vishwamitra..
Luminous thanks for your input as well...We do have some knowledgable members here and I am sure they will share their input too..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Kalapi my dear,

You are really a sweetheart, for taking time out to not just read my post but also to comment on it in detail, despite all the demands on your time post-Sandy. Thanks a lot!

I agree completely with you that they should have shown the aiteeham about Sita being found in a furrow that Janaka was ploughing - as you have pointed out seena means to plough, whence her name Sita. She was probably found during a puja for a good harvest; when it must have been thought auspicious for the king to plough the first furrow. But they skipped her babyhood altogether, and even her lifting the Shiva dhanush was mentioned only in the conversations,

In Thailand, where they have a slightly modified version of the Ramayana called the Ramakien, they also have this ceremonial first ploughing, but it is not by His Majesty King Bhumibol, though he presides over the ceremony. The actual ploughing is done by the Agriculture Minister, and he goes three times round the perimeter of the field behind two bullocks. Then, the bullocks are led to a place where there are 7 large bowls filled each with a different grain, and allowed to eat whatever they prefer. Depending on which grain/grains the bullocks choose, the royal priests, who are all originally from India, make a prediction about the coming harvest. They invite the diplomatic corps to attend this function, and I used to go regularly; it was fun.

I have also watched a 10 night performance of the Ramakien in 1982, as part of the 200th anniversary celebrations for Bangkok. Their decor was fabulous and the vanar sena was fantastic.

There is something even more interesting, but from India this time. There was a very famous play called Lankeswaran, of course with Ravana as the central figure,produced and acted in by a noted Tamil theatre personality called Manohar. This was over 50 years ago, and I saw the play when I was schooling in Chennai (then Madras). Ravana was shown as a very great scholar, which he was. And, hold your breath, Sita was his daughter, from whom he had to be separated because of a curse. So he puts the baby Sita in a gold box, travels underground, and places the box in the field where Janaka later finds her. The whole of the Sita apaharan was thus, in this radically different version, an attempt by Ravana to get his daughter back with him.

The play was hugely successful, so much so that for the rest of his long theatrical innings, he was always known as Lankeswaran Manohar. I wonder if such a totally different take on the Ramayana would go down as well today. People are much quicker these days to react to any real or imagined slight to their traditional beliefs.

I am sure Valmiki's Sita, and also the Sita of the Kamba Ramayanam in Tamil, would both have been stronger than this one. I have grown to love the Parvati in DKDM, but then Parvati, and her various avatars as the Nava Durga, are all powerful and at time ferocious. It is only she, from the feminine trinity, who is worshipped as Shakti, and ranked not only at par but at times even above Shiva. Just like our matriarchs at home in the old days.

My personal favourite, however, is the feisty and fiery Draupadi, the sakhi of Lord Krishna, who could hold her own against any man and often did so. The 1988 Mahabharata had a splendid Draupadi in Rupa Ganguly. Bengali women have that special fire in them (take a bow!) . I could not watch the 1986 Ramayana, but I did not like what I saw later of Deepika Chikliya as Sita. I have an uneasy suspicion this Sita is going to turn into a watering pot very soon. Let us see.

Tomorrow, I will update this post about the Philippine Ramayana, which is called the Radiya Mangandari, and is drastically different from the traditional one. But what you would like the most there is a determined Sita, who holds her own effortlessly.

Take care, my dear, and stay safe. I am really relieved to know that your father is doing better now, It must have been a harrowing time for you when he was in bad shape, having to stay so far away in such a crisis. My mother was suddenly diagnosed last year with very severe congestive heart failure, and though over the last 18 months, the cardiologist and I have managed to stabilise her condition, and she is an incredibly cheerful patient, it has been very tough. But at least she was and is with me, unlike you and your father. So I know exactly how it feels.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Kalapi

Shyamala dearest,

I do agree with you on your assessment. My knowledge is solely based on Valmiki's work. I already told you that the costumes are very unrealistic, in my opinion. In this day and age, they could have tried a realistic approach. Kaikeyi's costume is too much OTT. I wish, it was tone down quite a bit. Kaikeyi's love for Ram too is something that I didn't know about. In fact, if she loved him so much, could she have requested Dasaratha to exile him for 12 yrs?

I also, didn't see them showing that Sita was born from a furrow of a field and hence, Sita. I thought the significance was that Sita was born and went back to mother Earth in the end. Did they show this part of the epic? I so much, again wanted to understand this, but I might have missed it in the episodes too, since, I have missed a couple, I know. I also wish Sita, wasn't shown so shy. This is something I find hard to accept, especially women were very much authoritative and forward thinking, never shying away, as is shown. This isn't like the women in Indian's epics or in typical Indian families at all. You also probably know where I am coming from. This is probably why; I like DKDM more, where Prasuti has a firm head on her beautiful shoulders. It is hard to show though, being authoritative and subjugating to a husband all at once, but, it also points towards self-respect and having a healthy sense of pride. I so wish, that this came across in the episodes. Sita is a princess in her own right, and she also knows that she is an equal in the marital relationship with Ram. A fine balance, but the Cvs needs to convey it.

As for the pratiyojita, I might have missed it, or I think we are an episode behind. I will watch this Sunday's episode closely and see if the online version matches the one they are telecasting on Sunday. Will let you know.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Luminous.

Thanks a lot, and I am glad that you feel the same as I do about this version of the Ramayana. I agree totally with you that the real trump cards for the producers are their Rama and Lakshmana, both products of inspired casting,

I hope too that some of the learned members of this forum will be able to answer the questions I have raised in my post.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: luminous02

thanks for sharing your assessment, i am totally agree.


i m mostly impressed with the caste, the casting of lord rama is amazing, gagan has very calm face, polite smile eveything and also his tallness is dominating most in the show which looks really very nice.i think this casting is the most wonderful casting of this show.

laxman also, neil is perfect for laxman man's role he is absolutely fits for this role.

sita's casting also has done very well, neha has the calm and very polite face. she looks so innocent that fits totally for this divine role of sitaji.

i love this version of ramayan a lot and most.

they are showing something different from which we are not aware, but there is a lot of version of ramayan may be they found these things also from somewhere.

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Thank you so much for your very kind words.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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very nice assessments

thanks


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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Perfect casting of the principals:I love this version of the Ramayana mainly because they have got the key factor absolutely right - to wit the casting of Lord Rama, who has the regal bearing and the detached air of nobility that is so essential for God made man, and of Lakshmana, who is all unquestioning devotion and obedience to his elder brother, with a simmering readiness to take on the whole world in his defence. These two are so perfect that they more than make up for any failings in the other characters, the set design, the costumes and the like.


yeah agreed ram and lakshman are simply..g8...the actors are perfect for the role...and they.didnt disappointed us so far...

Sita is all right, if a trifle too ready to let her eyes brim over with tears, and she is also very conventionally coy and shy. This is perhaps because this version is said to be based on the Ramcharitmanas of Tulsidas, which is a 16th century work and reflects the attitudes towards women at that time. So she would be probably be closer to Tulsidas' demure Sita than to the stronger Sita of the Adi Kavya, the Valmiki Ramayana.
well tulsidas never protrayed sitaji as coy and shy woman...the woman who survived among demons and fought with a demon king who wanted her all by herself tht too in his own territory for her pride and for her chaisty cant be shy and coy... sitamaa was a strong lady in all the versions... in the adhbhoot ramayana she evern took the form of mahakaali maa to make the universe knew tht she is not a damsel in distress but a avtaar of adi shakti ()...sitamaa was calm composite just like lord rama... sometimes shy otherwise a courageous coming to the epi here we are seeing her as coy and shy as she is newly weded wife...so she is quite calm and shy... her character will be take shape after exile and after her abduction...we have to wait and watch how do they bring out the real sitamaa

Regardless of this Sita's stillness and shyness, the glances exchanged between her and Lord Rama are far more romantic than anything in any other TV serial.

The costumes: I think they use those rather gaudy costumes, which seem to have come in for some justifiable criticism in this forum, because they know that the public expects that after the 1986 version and the 1988 Mahabharata. The only realistic costumes for the epics were in Shyam Benegal's monumental series on the history of India, based on Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru's The Discovery of India. But that would not have done for such a major commercial production. It must be really uncomfortable for the poor actors to wear all that stuff day in and day out and also still look at ease! on the contrary the costumes they gave to the ram lakshman and sitaji are perfect...its the picture perfect look...its written in ramcharitmanas and ramayana tht ram lakshmana use to wore silk and gold...ram fav color is yellow green and white and lakshman yellow purple blue and red undertones...sitamaa wore saree with borders her hairs were pinned up and they wore heavy gold necklaces



kindly look at the pics and the mytho pics posted above there is close resemblence even the jewellery is inspired from the mytho pics and they are mostly using temple design (temple design is old craftmenship in gold jewellery its said the technique originated long long long back ) and rama - laskhman color combo is beyond perfect the criticism is for the choice of colors given to mithila princess which should be improved...

New sequences?: They are also showing some unexpected bits that I am not sure were there in the earlier Ramanand Sagar version of 1986, though his grandaughter Meenakshi has been quoted now as stressing that "nothing new can be included in the story" which would be the same as in the 1986 version.

The point about Lord Rama being a manglik is well known; my grandmother used to mention his chevvaai dosham, which is the same thing. Apparently his horoscope had Mangal in the 7th house, which meant separation from his spouse (patniviyogam). there has been lots of debates in this issue one school of opinion believes tht ramji was never mangalik other say he was...sagar pics belives in latter...i believe the first one... neverthless the common notion is tht lord rama was mangalik and sagar pics chose to go by the common conviction

But I had not heard of the very short-lived plan for a second marriage for him. Perhaps the Ramcharitmanas, which I have not read, and on which this version is said to be based, has something on it. I would appreciate hearing from some more knowledgeable person about this point.

well there is common belief tht lord rama promised sitamaa tht he would remain loyal husband and follow ek patni dhrama... in uttarkand there is epi wen lord rama had to arrange the awashmegha yaga the leading guru requested him to get married as it was impossible to conduct the yaga without wife so lord rama ordered to make a gold statue of sitamaa and told tht he has promised to sitamaa tht he will never remarry and asked guru to do pran pratishta in the gold statue but how and wen he gave this promise isnt mentioned anywhere in some text u will find he gave the promise wen he had lunch with sitamaa at sita k rasoi he said in playful manner tht he wont marry again its folktale of UP...in other versions it is said once sitamaa had asked him to remarry in exile period as she thought after marriage ramji had to suffer exile she is cause of his misfortune and he should get married but ramji gave the promise(common folklore in chitrakoot MP)...in telgu folktale it is said shanta sister in law of sitaji teased her to bring another wife for lord rama and then lord rama gave the promise actually (there is song based on this context) there are so many versions and man made stories tht it is actually difficult to decipher wht exactly happened in ayodhya even tulisdasji and valmikiji never gave the day to day description of lord rama life in ayodhya in such sceneraio the options is left to the narrator so as how and wen the narrator use this theroy... here sagar pics used the second wife theory to depict the promise lord rama gave to sitaji...some ppl loved it some not next time if someone else would make this epic they will tel entire different story it happens not a single mytho show is without made up stories but the good thing is that they are bringing the actual moral behind their story so i appreciate their effort...

However, what really foxed me in last Sunday's episode was the so-called pratiyogita between Rama and Bharata. I would be grateful if someone could enlighten me as to the source on which this was based. ...

no i m not aware of it but there are 100000 folk tales and 300 versions of ramayana i m sure in some or the other we can find this story...

This apart, the questions asked did not seem to be earth-shattering, and the answers seemed opaque and hardly convincing, especially Rama's about the pancha agnis to be revered. Moreover, the division between the first and the second segments of the pratiyogita was not at all clear, as the questions were not tailored to bring out the difference between the parts that was underlined by the Rajaguru Vasishta in his opening statement.

it is actually picked up from the upanishad...plz refer chhandogya upanishad. for futher reference...as far as the competition is concerned it actually took place between lord rama and part soul of lord rama... we cant expect clear winner it like competition between soul and mind...between spirit and shadow between sun and shade ofc there cant be a particular winner one answer was more apppropriate didnt meant the other gave wrong one...bharatji was amsa of lord rama he was as knowledgeable as lord rama

Goof up in announcement of result of the pratiyogita: The strangest thing of all was that after all that stress laid by Vasishta on the need for the praja to be convinced that the final choice was the correct one (which is his reason for having it in the first place), he never bothered to explain to the selfsame praja, not to speak of the royal household, WHY Rama won despite coming in second.


I am not saying that the surprise test was wrong. In fact it was perfectly conceived for testing whether the candidate would place the need to help his subject ahead of his own need to win the contest. The problem was that this was NOT explained at all to all those who were not present there- and this would include the whole gathering except Rama, Bharata and the pseudo-potter. All these people, especially the praja, would know nothing except that Bharata came back first even if he did not have the ekamukha rudraksha.


That sanyasi masquerading as a potter was shown to the assemblage, but the much needed clarification as to his role in the proceedings, and about what had actually happened and why, was missing.

What then would the praja have understood? Or misunderstood? Why could they not have had Vasishta speak just a couple of sentences more to clarify this? As things stood, the praja could not have been blamed if they had concluded that the contest was rigged in favour of Rama.

yup and thts wht the point it wasnt explained manthara also couldnt get it and now with this manthara can poison kakeyi tht the competition was unfair and bharat deserved to be the king i think its done intentionally by the sagar pics besides not a single praja raised the question on how and why lord rama was chosen the king ...all unanimously wanted lord rama to their king so noone even bothered to know y it happened ...and then it was guru vashishta who declared the winner who was like their god,,,,,,,,they had faith and devotion on guru vashishta... his judgement was unquestioned


Kaikeyi:
The great emphasis placed in this version on Kaikeyi's overweening love for Rama, which is almost an obsession, for she hardly seems to bother about her own son Bharata, and her possessiveness about Rama, also struck me as new. Would you folks agree? It will be interesting to see how they rationalise her 180 degrees turnaround in the next 2 episodes; it will need an abrupt character rebooting that seems to me to be potentially very difficult to accomplish convincingly.

thats wht the point in all versions it is said kakeyi love for lord rama was unequitted and unmatched this lady is such a layered character seldom we find a grey character in indian mythos either the characters are black or white but kudos to valmilki and tusldiasji for creating this character... she was a warm-hearted, complex woman'Gentle, stubborn, arrogant brave courageous and one who rode chariot and even fought wars isnt she a woman ahead of her times, .. She was an extremely passionate woman who never did anything in half measures.When she loved Rama she loved him with all her heart but then her insecurities took over and she was hellbent on banishing him ...she loved rama alot it is said lord rama had spent more time under the love and affection of kakeyi she was his teacher before guru vashishta took the charge she taught her skills of war to hold bow and arrow she taught her mantras of rajyashashtra she loved him so much that she couldnt sleep without looking rama face...her love for rama was unconditional thats y its lefts reader in utter bewilderment that a such a loving and doting mother turned in a crone... it was primarily one factor that brought the destruction Jealousy'that sickening combination of possessiveness, suspicion, rage, and insecurities'that overtake her mind. and it resulted in lifelong suffering pain and agony her own son disowned her and never called her mother again..
isnt this a interesting character if she wasnt in the epic we couldnt get the great story of ramayana so she is important in my opinion and i appreciate sagar pics tht they are acutally developing the character and now she is about to turn and create a gala mess would be interesting to watch

Need to avoid Urdu words: Finally, the writers have to be very careful at all times to avoid any words derived from the Urdu, which would of course be anachronistic. I find that in this Ramayana, they are almost, but not 100% foolproof in this respect. I have so far spotted a few slip ups like jaldi (spoken by Sita's mother Rani Sunayana), shaadi, and theek, which should have been sheegra, vivah/ parinay, and sahi. Perhaps I am nitpicking, but in the old 1988 Mahabharata, they were 100% accurate in this respect, nor did they use bhaiyya instead of bhrata, or just mata, pita etc. They always added shree.

second tht but tulsidas ramcharitmanas is in awadhi and lakshman addressed ramji as bhaiyaa😳 but certain words should be avoided

A minor query: Sita was shown washing Lord Rama's feet when Manthara (why do they both call her Manthara Ma?) turns up. I know that it was the proper protocol for the king to wash the feet of visiting holy men as a mark of respect, but they have never shown Dasharatha's queens washing his feet. Why then is Sita alone shown as doing this? I do not mean this as a feminist protest, which would be ridiculous as the Ramayana is not a contemporary work. I just want to know if this was a regular practice in those days, and would welcome any clarification that someone in the forum might have.

yes it is a common practice in india... infact practice even today she belonged to tht period which preached pati parameshwar means husband was god woman use to get up early and touch their husband feet and wen they cam back home it was duty of woman to wash his feet and his hand and they even pressed their husband feet ...in previous version of ramayana in TV sitamaa had done that too

Finally, regardless of some relatively small lacunae, I think this Ramayana is going to be a wonderful viewing experience. yaa there are some serious blooper in the show but still it is a treat to watch i love it and welcome to the forum

Shyamala B.Cowsik


PS: An aside that might interest some of you. The actor who plays Raja Janaka in this Ramayana also plays Lord Brahma in Devon ke Dev Mahadev. I am still trying to identify Vishwamitra and will revert if I succeed in this quest. I simply cannot understand why our TV shows, and not just this one, cannot include a frame with the cast, at least of all the major characters, at the end.


Edited by arti07 - 12 years ago
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Shyamala dearest,

It is always a pleasure to write to you, especially because you and some other members make me think and I end up learning so much in the process. This is all I look for in my interactions, learning and trying to understand different POv.

Regarding Sita. To me, Sita then becomes the adopted daughter of Janak. She is also considered Janam Dukhi, in fact many parents will not name their daughter Sita, for this very reason. I remember that Sita's life was actually one of biraha, since most of her life she lived separated from Rama. I know, the Uttara Kanda, was probably never made into a serial, but, even after her agni pariksha, she was again banished by Rama, because of rumors of her impurity. And living an exiled life, she gave birth to her twins. This time also her separation lasted another 12 yrs (?). But, the point I wanted to make that after this decade or so of separation, she was again asked to prove her purity, this time she did give her pariksha and then then she goes back into Mother Earth. The significance of this, i.e; her birth and her going back to Earth is what I want to understand the significance.

The other question is, why Ahalya, was punished, when she herself was misled? Unless of course, the argument is, being half of the whole, the wife should be able to recognize her swami. Then toh, man, tough luck to women folk in general. Besides, all women in Hindu mythology are strong with a mind of their own, so just going with the flow, makes me wonder. Why didn't Ahalya question Gautama? Why didn't Sita just call upon Mother Earth to welcome her back, when kidnapped by Ravana? I too love Daupadi, in general I love the complexity that is Mahabharata. Maybe, we can take up the chapters some other time and discuss. I always am so awestruck that Daupadi was just divided because Kunti told the brothers to share without looking first. Signficance - scarcity of women in that region and at that era, same we are having in Punjab - what a nice twist, isn't it? We should definite include Kool, I know I had a few discussions before, and she is simply impressive.

You are so lucky to have visited so many places; although I am sure it had its own set of problems. Hinduism had such a profound influence on the entire subcontinent, which alas, our history books do not talk about in details. I recently heard from a bachelor globetrotter friend, who was sharing his experience in Malaysia. Sometimes, people do not even understand that some customs had its roots in India, much like Sanskrit words in English. It has become so inseparable. Love to hear your own personal experiences regarding Hinduism and its spread.

As for Ravana, he was a great scholar and warrior in his own right. He was also (I think) a great singer. I think he is highly regarded in Sri Lanka. He was also a very just and kind ruler in his own right. So, what does his defeat really signifies? An empire spreading exercise? What was the real significance of his defeat ... is it just that victory of good over evil (since the victorious army will always paint the opponent evil? I think it is just an empire building exercise with a novel twist. Btw, loved the Lankeswaran story you shared. Very interesting twist indeed.

Thanks Shyamala, my dad is recovering now. We had 10 days of hell when the docs didn't know what the spot in his lung was? Later, he was diagnosed with pneumonia that was treated by a very expensive antibiotic. At a point, I was planning to take F*LA and just go. Luckily, the antibody finally kicked in and we all give a sigh of relief. Do take care of you mom, parents are so precious. My regards, best wishes and prayers for her speedily recovery, and I can understand how tough it must be on you. Do also take care of yourself too. I can understand how tough it is on you too. Taking the right decisions are the worst in such situations...so do keep your cool...

Edited by Kalapi - 12 years ago

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