Sleet of Emotional Quivers on RadhaKrishn Eternal Love CC # 8 - Page 111

Originally posted by: RainFire125

Well, yes both had their destiny written in such a way that both were used in some way or the other!! And Karna had to join adharma as Kunti had to have 5 sons only as in a mutthi, i had read this somewhere that someone had promised Kunti that her 5 sons will live, was that Krishna??? Its an irony that the almighty writes destiny and choices in such a manner for the greater good that some times I start a debate between myself that do we really have a choice????

Karn did many blunders, lied to Guru Parasuram, insulted Draupadi by calling her as a prostitute, associated himself with evil forces and refused the advice of Krishna when he asked him to come back to Pandava camp. He acquired archery knowledge only to kill Arjun, his intentions are not good, a gray character from the beginning till the end.

Arjun was a slave to his elder brother and yielded himself to the well being of the kingdom.

Karna was an obsessive friend who wants to do anything for the benefit of his friend Duryodhan , he even killed Abhimanyu in a cruel way for his friend's victory.

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

Here for Kunti , the choice is a means of catharsis, she was destined to have only 5 sons, that is why Krishna asked her prior to the war, whom she prefers to survive in this great war... Karn or Arjun, then the mother said, I've developed a deep bonding with Arjun because of our staying together under the same roof, I can't imagine Arjun's body lifeless, " --that's it, the decision has been taken at that moment!

Karn did many blunders, lied to Guru Parasuram, insulted Draupadi by calling her as a prostitute, associated himself with evil forces and refused the advice of Krishna when he asked him to come back to Pandava camp. He acquired archery knowledge only to kill Arjun, his intentions are not good, a gray character from the beginning till the end.

Arjun was a slave to his elder brother and yielded himself to the well being of the kingdom.

Karna was an obsessive friend who wants to do anything for the benefit of his friend Duryodhan , he even killed Abhimanyu in a cruel way for his friend's victory.

I am not defending Karn here M, but in which of our ancient scriptures it is written that he called Draupadi a prostitute??? In that context, the pandavas were even great sinners to even give their wife as a pawn in a chess game, right??? So for me all have sinned quiet equally and were used. Yes, Karna lied to Parashuram but at that moment it was not to defeat Arjun, it was to learn archery and no one was teaching him bec of his cast. Is it his fault that he was given away to such low caste people???? Just playing the devil's advocate. I know Karn made many adharma choices, still I will say Arjun was surrounded by better people when it comes to dharma, adharma.

Why I am feeling mahabharat track going to be sarvanaash.

Seeing that Bheema in last part mein dargaye

Originally posted by: RainFire125

I am not defending Karn here M, but in which of our ancient scriptures it is written that he called Draupadi a prostitute??? In that context, the pandavas were even great sinners to even give their wife as a pawn in a chess game, right??? So for me all have sinned quiet equally and were used. Yes, Karna lied to Parashuram but at that moment it was not to defeat Arjun, it was to learn archery and no one was teaching him bec of his cast. Is it his fault that he was given away to such low caste people???? Just playing the devil's advocate. I know Karn made many adharma choices, still I will say Arjun was surrounded by better people when it comes to dharma, adharma.

Karna insulted Draupadi because Draupadi did the same during her Swayamwar.

During Swayamwar, Draupadi insulted Karna by calling him 'Suta Putra' in front of other kings in a public meet because of his low caste. When Pandavas lost their kingdom due to addiction to the game of dice, Yudhisthira gambles away his brothers and their common wife Draupadi into the game. When Pandavas lost everything and Duryodhan ordered Pandavas to be his slaves and encouraged Dushasan to drag Draupadi into the court in order to avenge her rudeness. At this moment Karna wanted to teach draupadi a lesson, merely a revenge, for treating like and calling him Suta Putra.

When Draupadi requested help from Bhishma, Drona and others, Karna thought of helping Draupadi if she insist him to help from this bad situation. Karna is prepared to do anything to save Draupadi. When Draupadi showed up to Karna, she never asked him because of his low caste and passed. This Hurt's Karna's feelings towards sympathy and made him furious. A woman can have a maximum of three husbands. In that case, he called Draupadi an unchaste woman and never thought to save her from this evilness.

Later in the Kurukshetra war, At the time of Karna's death, Krishna reminds Karna for insulting Draupadi and being silent at that time. Karna apologized for his actions to Krishna.

Draupadi posed the question how could Yudi stake her if he had lost himself before her? No one except Vikarn answered that she was not won because stake was invalid. To this Karn replied that since Yudi staked her himself, the stake was valid. Also, God has ordained one husband for one woman yet she was having five hence she was unchaste and should join other maids in their special apartments to satisfy the lust of princes whenever they want them!😡

Karna never forgave Draupadi for this public slight and all the humiliation that was heaped on Draupadi was devised by Karna. He called Draupadi a whore and indicated that she is a sex-crazed woman for marrying 5 princes, now the Kauravas will satisfy her sexual cravings by picking the Kaurava princes. He was satisfying his own depraved sense of un-fulfillment by publicly humiliating her. He was the one that instructed Dushashan to take off her garment when she was in a single garment as she was menstruating😡😭. Though truth is told, he did feel bad about it later. But the damage was done. It was after this behavior of his, that, whatever little chance there was of peace, disappeared.

What Karna did was wrong. She didn't want to marry him, that was her choice and she called him sutaputra, son of a charioteer. Was that wrong? He was the son of the charioteer and he had to sit down as she had rejected him. It was her swayamwara, there wasn't any need to do vastraharan. This showed Karna’s villainy. Here the only valid term I can use is it was an unforgettable unforgiving evil act with absolutely no justification. He deserves to be punished like that.

Karna spoke unspeakable things about Draupadi in the Kuru court ,Karna even instigated Dushshasana to disrobe her. He called her a “bandhaki”, meaning a low prostitute.

It was there in Vyas Mahabharath and mentioned in detail manner in many other stories written in later date.

For calling Draupadi as a prostitute and for killing Abhimanu after knowing that he is his brother's son, in such a heinous way , he is not a lesser evil, Adharmi than the Duryodhan and Dussasan.

Not to differ with you Gayatri, I love you and respect you🤗 , but here are the facts about Karna.

People calling Draupadi are illiterate I will say.

She came from fire and when she was living with one of Pandavas for one year she merge into fire and come back with purity.

It s said Draupadi is mahakali incarnation too

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

Here for Kunti , the choice is a means of catharsis, she was destined to have only 5 sons, that is why Krishna asked her prior to the war, whom she prefers to survive in this great war... Karn or Arjun, then the mother said, I've developed a deep bonding with Arjun because of our staying together under the same roof, I can't imagine Arjun's body lifeless, " --that's it, the decision has been taken at that moment!

Karn did many blunders, lied to Guru Parasuram, insulted Draupadi by calling her as a prostitute, associated himself with evil forces and refused the advice of Krishna when he asked him to come back to Pandava camp. He acquired archery knowledge only to kill Arjun, his intentions are not good, a gray character from the beginning till the end.

Arjun was a slave to his elder brother and yielded himself to the well being of the kingdom.

Karna was an obsessive friend who wants to do anything for the benefit of his friend Duryodhan , he even killed Abhimanyu in a cruel way for his friend's victory.

This reminded me of a scene from dharmashetra.

Karn : if you have chosen me, I would have given everything to protect you.

Draupadi (with a smirk ) : what if your friend told you this girl is a bad influence on you, don't talk to her ? What would you do then ?

Karn :

Draupadi : dekha karn ? Jawab nehi hai tumhare paas. If I had chosen you, your obsession for your friend would have made you destroy me long ago. I have no regrets for the decision I had taken.

Originally posted by: stormborn

This reminded me of a scene from dharmashetra.

Karn : if you have chosen me, I would have given everything to protect you.

Draupadi (with a smirk ) : what if your friend told you this girl is a bad influence on you, don't talk to her ? What would you do then ?

Karn :

Draupadi : dekha karn ? Jawab nehi hai tumhare paas. If I had chosen you, your obsession for your friend would have made you destroy me long ago. I have no regrets for the decision I had taken.

Nice dialogues Strom

Originally posted by: Sweetypie34

Nice dialogues Strom

It's from my favourite mytho show Dharmashetra. It's in Netflix.

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

In Vyas Bharath Karna said these words Gayatri.

Karna insulted Draupadi because Draupadi did the same during her Swayamwar.

During Swayamwar, Draupadi insulted Karna by calling him 'Suta Putra' in front of other kings in a public meet because of his low caste. When Pandavas lost their kingdom due to addiction to the game of dice, Yudhisthira gambles away his brothers and their common wife Draupadi into the game. When Pandavas lost everything and Duryodhan ordered Pandavas to be his slaves and encouraged Dushasan to drag Draupadi into the court in order to avenge her rudeness. At this moment Karna wanted to teach draupadi a lesson, merely a revenge, for treating like and calling him Suta Putra.

When Draupadi requested help from Bhishma, Drona and others, Karna thought of helping Draupadi if she insist him to help from this bad situation. Karna is prepared to do anything to save Draupadi. When Draupadi showed up to Karna, she never asked him because of his low caste and passed. This Hurt's Karna's feelings towards sympathy and made him furious. A woman can have a maximum of three husbands. In that case, he called Draupadi an unchaste woman and never thought to save her from this evilness.

Later in the Kurukshetra war, At the time of Karna's death, Krishna reminds Karna for insulting Draupadi and being silent at that time. Karna apologized for his actions to Krishna.

Draupadi posed the question how could Yudi stake her if he had lost himself before her? No one except Vikarn answered that she was not won because stake was invalid. To this Karn replied that since Yudi staked her himself, the stake was valid. Also, God has ordained one husband for one woman yet she was having five hence she was unchaste and should join other maids in their special apartments to satisfy the lust of princes whenever they want them!😡

Karna never forgave Draupadi for this public slight and all the humiliation that was heaped on Draupadi was devised by Karna. He called Draupadi a whore and indicated that she is a sex-crazed woman for marrying 5 princes, now the Kauravas will satisfy her sexual cravings by picking the Kaurava princes. He was satisfying his own depraved sense of un-fulfillment by publicly humiliating her. He was the one that instructed Dushashan to take off her garment when she was in a single garment as she was menstruating😡😭. Though truth is told, he did feel bad about it later. But the damage was done. It was after this behavior of his, that, whatever little chance there was of peace, disappeared.

What Karna did was wrong. She didn't want to marry him, that was her choice and she called him sutaputra, son of a charioteer. Was that wrong? He was the son of the charioteer and he had to sit down as she had rejected him. It was her swayamwara, there wasn't any need to do vastraharan. This showed Karna’s villainy. Here the only valid term I can use is it was an unforgettable unforgiving evil act with absolutely no justification. He deserves to be punished like that.

Karna spoke unspeakable things about Draupadi in the Kuru court ,Karna even instigated Dushshasana to disrobe her. He called her a “bandhaki”, meaning a low prostitute.

It was there in Vyas Mahabharath and mentioned in detail manner in many other stories written in later date.

For calling Draupadi as a prostitute and for killing Abhimanu after knowing that he is his brother's son, in such a heinous way , he is not a lesser evil, Adharmi than the Duryodhan and Dussasan.

Not to differ with you Gayatri, I love you and respect you🤗 , but here are the facts about Karna.

Common M you can differ with me anytime. This is a place where we do exchange perceptions and debate and all in a healthy spirit. So I would not mind at all even if you scold me and say G these are the facts, read it and you are wrong!! I need to read this book as well then :) .. maybe my bad that even after all these facts I feel a little empathy for that guy!!! Lol. I always felt that if you have that one person to guide you almost throughout life in the right direction you will make far lesser mistakes. Arjun had Krishna even though its for a bigger purpose. Anyways, thank u my friend for telling me abt that book. Will look up and see if its available online. 🤗

Originally posted by: RainFire125

Common M you can differ with me anytime. This is a place where we do exchange perceptions and debate and all in a healthy spirit. So I would not mind at all even if you scold me and say G these are the facts, read it and you are wrong!! I need to read this book as well then :) .. maybe my bad that even after all these facts I feel a little empathy for that guy!!! Lol. I always felt that if you have that one person to guide you almost throughout life in the right direction you will make far lesser mistakes. Arjun had Krishna even though its for a bigger purpose. Anyways, thank u my friend for telling me abt that book. Will look up and see if its available online. 🤗

There are versions that Ravan was greater Pandit than Ram and because of the curse he behaved like that. Different versions, different perspectives, but in the original Vyas Bharath it was clearly mentioned that Karṇa was very much involved in the act of disrobing Draupadī. Indeed, Karṇa’s role in that shameful abhorrent humiliation of Draupadi in the dice hall, along with the part played by him in the collective slaughter of Abhimanyu in the battlefield, are the two disgraceful blots, which mar Karṇa’s character in the epic.

In Chapter-68 of the Sabhā Parva. Miffed at Vikarṇa’s rather unexpected opposition to his brothers’ despicable conduct, Karṇa then had said, after setting out a deceptively fallacious line of arguments:

त्वं तु केवलबाल्येन धार्तराष्ट्र विदीर्यसे।

यद् व्रवीषि सभामध्ये बालः स्थविरभाषितम्॥

न च धर्मं यथावत् त्वं वेत्सि दुर्योधनावर।

यद् ब्रवीषि जितां कृष्णां न जितेति सुमन्दधीः॥

कथं ह्यविजितां कृष्णां मन्यसे धृतराष्ट्रज।

यदा सभायां सर्वस्वं न्यस्तवान् पाण्डवाग्रजः॥

मन्यसे वा सभामेतामानीतामेकवासम्।

अधर्मेणेति तत्रापि शृणु मे वाक्यमुत्तमम्॥

एको भर्त्ता स्त्रिया देवैर्विहितः कुरुनन्दन।

इयं त्वनेकवशगा बन्धकीति विनिश्चिता॥

अस्याः सभामानयनं न चित्रमिति मे मतिः।

एकाम्बरधरत्वं वाप्यथवापि विवस्त्रता॥

…

दुःशासन सुबालोऽयं विकर्णः प्राज्ञवादिकः।

पाण्डवानाञ्च वासांसि द्रौपद्याश्चाप्युपाहार॥

…

ततो दुःशासनो राजन् द्रौपद्या वसनं बलात्।

सभामध्ये समाक्षिप्य व्यपाक्रष्टं प्रचक्रमे॥ [Mahābhārata, 2.29 – 2.40]

Translation:

O, son of Dhṛtarāṣṭra! You alone are expressing dissent due to your youthful impudence. You are but an immature lad, who has the temerity to talk like an elder in this assembly of wise men.

Younger sibling of Duryodhana! You are not well-versed in the intricacies of dharma; hence, out of sheer ignorance, you are declaring Draupadī as one not won though she has been rightfully won in dice.

O son of Dhṛtarāṣṭra! When Yudhiṣṭhira as the eldest Pāṇḍava has staked his all, how then can you consider Draupadī as not won in fair challenge?

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If you think that it is unrighteous to have brought Draupadī, clad in one cloth-piece in her state of menstruation, then pay attention to my words.

O scion of the Kurus! Scriptures ordain that a woman should have only one husband. See, Draupadi is under the control of many males; hence she is for sure an unchaste woman. Therefore, given her status as a woman of easy virtue, there is no breach of dharma in bringing her to this hall, no matter if she is clad in one cloth, or even bereft of any clothes.

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O Duḥśāsana! You need not pay any heed to this Vikarṇa, who, with his utter precocity has the cheek to speak like a wise man. Hence, go ahead and seize the clothes of Draupadī and all the Pāṇḍavas.

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Then Vidur said --- O King! Then, being so bidden by Karṇa, Duḥśāsana, in open court and in full view of all present, began forcefully drawing at Draupadī’s robe.

It would thus be clear that according to Vyāsa’s original narration, it was on Karṇa’s direct instigation that Duḥśāsana proceeded to disrobe Draupadī.

Thanks Gayatri 🤗for this interesting convo with you. Karna was a vice person with a cursed life.