Sunehri... Random rant 23.10.14 (Nt, Pg 4) - Page 7

Perception plays a huge role in interpreting something or someone too. How can anyone be sure that only their opinion is right? And that way how can anyone claim that my POV is wrong and I am trying to make Sunehri's actions into something they are not? Can anyone honestly claim that what they perceive is the only right option or opinion? Maybe I am right. I only stated my opinion and understanding of the character like everybody has a right to. Who has the right to judge what I say and claim that I am wrong? Are you honestly saying that only you are right and everyone with a different opinion than yours wrong?

Also..even honest working people sometimes con others maybe unwittingly but it happens. You add an extra dish and the customer doesn't check and pays for it. It's still conning by mistake.

And I never claimed for a second that she only cons conmen. Where did you get that idea from? I gave it as an maybe explanation not as a resounding proof.

The rich couple may have been conned many times ..just because they didn't show it, you can't claim that Sunehri was the first person who tried to take advantage of that. And well she didn't get to con them so why drag them in?

Maybe the promotion is what made the writers write that scene because it wasn't consistent with her robbing only rich people and also the wallet was in a car..only financially stale people own a car, so she may have thought it was a rich guy but as soon as she saw the man with his child trying to find his wallet to pay for the balloon, she kept it back inside.

Sanam was certainly conned at some point by someone...maybe many times too. It always happens in every and any business.

Your point makes no sense about she only going behind conmen. First, she is not a institute who can spend money and time searching for conmen to con them. She is a single person who cons rich people. How in the world is she supposed to search for conmen to con them? She is not X-Men with powers.

We don't know what kind of person the sheikh is..so who was blamed and who got fired cannot be predicted. Also, I am sure his third wife must have told him she was not with him at Tanveer's place so they know the thief was a female who took his wife's place and ran away later.

Your definition of ruthless criminals and mine are different I think. For me, ruthless criminals are people like Tanveer. And no, I don't see any similarities in her and Seher.

Originally posted by: In-Sanity-Triv

Perception plays a huge role in interpreting something or someone too. How can anyone be sure that only their opinion is right? And that way how can anyone claim that my POV is wrong and I am trying to make Sunehri's actions into something they are not? Can anyone honestly claim that what they perceive is the only right option or opinion? Maybe I am right. I only stated my opinion and understanding of the character like everybody has a right to. Who has the right to judge what I say and claim that I am wrong? Are you honestly saying that only you are right and everyone with a different opinion than yours wrong?

Also..even honest working people sometimes con others maybe unwittingly but it happens. You add an extra dish and the customer doesn't check and pays for it. It's still conning by mistake.

And I never claimed for a second that she only cons conmen. Where did you get that idea from? I gave it as an maybe explanation not as a resounding proof.

The rich couple may have been conned many times ..just because they didn't show it, you can't claim that Sunehri was the first person who tried to take advantage of that. And well she didn't get to con them so why drag them in?

Maybe the promotion is what made the writers write that scene because it wasn't consistent with her robbing only rich people and also the wallet was in a car..only financially stale people own a car, so she may have thought it was a rich guy but as soon as she saw the man with his child trying to find his wallet to pay for the balloon, she kept it back inside.

Sanam was certainly conned at some point by someone...maybe many times too. It always happens in every and any business.

Your point makes no sense about she only going behind conmen. First, she is not a institute who can spend money and time searching for conmen to con them. She is a single person who cons rich people. How in the world is she supposed to search for conmen to con them? She is not X-Men with powers.

We don't know what kind of person the sheikh is..so who was blamed and who got fired cannot be predicted. Also, I am sure his third wife must have told him she was not with him at Tanveer's place so they know the thief was a female who took his wife's place and ran away later.

Your definition of ruthless criminals and mine are different I think. For me, ruthless criminals are people like Tanveer. And no, I don't see any similarities in her and Seher.

And I didn't say Sunheri is a ruthless criminal. Though I admit, I should've put the word "even" there. Even ruthless criminals do the same things. Sunheri's charitable contribution and community service is not anything different than what they do.

Originally posted by: KhatamKahani

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You are the one who took Sunheri's actions and gave excuses regarding those whom she conned. You gave the excuse that dhabbawalas also con people. You specifically pointed out in your post that you had explained the dhabawala matter in your other post. I went to check your other post, and your explanation is that dhabbawaas also con people. To which I ask, so? That's the excuse for Sunheri to have done it to that dhabbawala.

I was responding to your own justification that dhabawalas are also conmen.

The rich couple getting conned before or not makes no difference. Sunheri too was planning on doing it.

Now it's not rich people but Financially stable people whom she has no problem stealing from. Middle class peope too own cars, having loan payments, etc. But she sees a wallet in a car, and that's enough for her.

You are the one who's using the victims as an excuse for her actions.

I have no problem with Sunheri shown as a thief or con artist. But that's exactly what she is. I don't have an issue if she changes her life around either. I have no hate. I also understand her background made her what she is. But that is what she is, a con artist/thief.

She didn't steal from the Sheikh. She stole from the Ibrahims. It just so happened that the matter was dropped in that house.

Excuse me? I was giving my POV over why Seher is the way she is and what MAY have happened to make her do what she did. Who are you to call them excuses? Are you the moral police who attacks someone who has a different opinion than you? It's really infruriating that you are attacking me for my POV. This forum is NOT a Nazi ground where only one opinion matters. I have equal right to state my point too.

You can't really make unreasonable people see reason. If you didn't agree with my POV then why bother replying, why not just ignore it?

I also don't deny that she is a con artist and a thief but I will speak up when she is compared to Tanveer and called a vamp and inhuman because she doesn't think about Sanam and Ahil.

I am not looking for a fight, I was merely stating my understanding of the characters. If you have a problem with that then ignore my posts.

Originally posted by: In-Sanity-Triv

Excuse me? I was giving my POV over why Seher is the way she is and what MAY have happened to make her do what she did. Who are you to call them excuses? Are you the moral police who attacks someone who has a different opinion than you? It's really infruriating that you are attacking me for my POV. This forum is NOT a Nazi ground where only one opinion matters. I have equal right to state my point too.

You can't really make unreasonable people see reason. If you didn't agree with my POV then why bother replying, why not just ignore it?

I also don't deny that she is a con artist and a thief but I will speak up when she is compared to Tanveer and called a vamp and inhuman because she doesn't think about Sanam and Ahil.

I am not looking for a fight, I was merely stating my understanding of the characters. If you have a problem with that then ignore my posts.

That, right there is some twisted logic. I'm going to come back to that tomorrow.

Tamara.. read the post and lovely replies..
Very good debate


Perhaps if Seher was conning some one else.. I might view her actions and maybe sympathize with her plight of troubled childhood. right now she is only causing further trouble to my girl sanam
So I see her for wot she is a ruthless unfeeling con woman who is actually killing my love for the only hindi serial I watch

No crime in this world is justified. There can be a defence, a valid one at that, but the actus reus (act of crime) took place and no one can change that.

A two year old girl, alone, orphaned, separated from family...

Living on the streets, with Shishupal and Rosy ...Conning, deception, burgalry and deceit is what she has seen and learnt...

And she is just applying what she has learnt...

She tried to change for love, but her past came calling.

Now she has decied to live for money, again her past comes calling.

She didn't have Dilshad to teach her kindness. She didn't have Asya to teach her sacrifice. She didn't grow up with Sanam, to see her face life head on, with head held high. She has seen only crooks.

When the time comes for her to learn and unlearn, she will. But, its a long road ahead.

You know what, CVs, should've shown one fb of her past. it is much needed to understand and get connected to her character.

Asad's fb of Rashid dragging away Ayaan, connected us to Asad.

Ahil's fb of his abbu beating him connected us to Ahil.

Cvs need to show Seher's immediate past before moving towards her distant past..

Gita and Farz... Seher is definitley instrumental in seperating my baby Sanam from the good life she could have had and the good life she had bloddy well earned with her toil sweat and blood...