Originally posted by: Jayne
^^^
Unfortunately the ratio of *ssh*oles to truly progressive and enlightened people is higher in this world...still...change comes...at a glacier's pace, but it does...we may not enjoy it now, but hopefully true *ssdom will be all but obliterated in a few hundred years...yes, unfortunately that long. Think Star Trek and have hope.😊
As for the thread reaching so many pages, I think a lot of it was in response to the member who said wives were properties of husbands...
I consulted some books, and technically speaking, she was correct regarding that religion. All women are considered property or possessions of men (father, brother, husband, etc.). (If I am mistaken, I stand corrected.)
There are progressive sections that don't heed it, but it does not change the technicality or those segments of populations that do follow it.😕
No more comment from me on this.😊
Other than that, I do think that ARI, regardless of whether he is jealous or insecure, ought not to behave by manhandling his wife and humiliating her in public. That said, unfortunately, many males do behave this way...I have witnessed such acts, and have determined that it is usually because their ego cannot take it.
Ah...that whole 'masculinity' that is drummed into their heads since birth...seems like we can't win.
Either way, R should respect the relationship 'in public', even if, when he is alone with S, he is a little bit more familiar with her, thinking that she will soon be his wife.
Jayne
I agree with everything else except the italicized parts. If you do consult any books, then please consult only the Qur'an as it has not been altered at all and is the most authentic of all sources. Other than that, you may consult the Book of Hadith or quotations of the Prophet by Imam Bukhari. These are the only authentic sources we consult as the other books are subject to alterations and deviations from the original teachings of Islam. It really angers me when Muslims themselves know little about the religion and then they spread knowledge that is not derived from authentic sources which degrades the religion. I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE on behalf of her. Whatever she said was not true. Trust me and my posts (whatever I have posted on Islam in the previous pages) so far. I have studied the religious text in depth and know exactly which sources are authentic and which ones are not. I have also asked several lecturers ad attended many lectures on women's rights.There are many sites online that publish quotations and interpretations that have been altered and thus it gives you a very skewed picture of Islam.
As far as women being considered as possessions is concerned, let me inform you that had they been possessions and properties of men, Islam wouldn't have forbidden marrying a woman off to someone against her will. Had she been considered a property, Islam wouldn't have said that Paradise lies under her feet. According to the Prophet, your mother comes four times and then your father...this means respect both but respect the mother more than anybody else or your father. This wouldn't have been an obligation if women were indeed the properties of men. All sorts of social injustice against women including female infanticide were banned when Islam came to Arabia. In fact, the Qur'an mocks and CURSES those individuals who kill their daughters or feel ashamed or saddened when presented with the good news of the birth of a girl. Such people will not only be held accountable for their actions in this world, but will also be asked for an explanation on the Day of Judgement before the child they murdered.
If a woman had been considered a property, she wouldn't have been given the right to work before and after marriage. Had she been a property, she wouldn't have the right to choose her partner on her own. Had she been a property, she wouldn't have been given the right to vote over 1400 years ago. Had she been a property, she wouldn't have had the right to preserve her income and keep it all to herself without giving a single penny to her husband after marriage. Had she been a property, then she wouldn't have been given the right to divorce her husband. Had she been a piece of property, Islam would never have said that respect the womb that bore you. According to the Prophet, if a man helps his wife out while she is doing chores, he gets a reward that is equivalent to the reward obtained from fasting for an entire year. Once a woman came to the Prophet and said that her parents had married her off to someone against her own will and she was not very happy with it. The Prophet then told her that it is now up to her. She may choose to break the marriage if she wants. On another occasion, a man came to one of the Prophet's congregations and he had brought his son and daughter along. Once seated, the man kissed his son's forehead and made him sit beside him but he didn't kiss his daughter and neither did he ask her to sit beside him. Upon seeing this, the Prophet asked the man to call his daughter back, kiss her on the forehead, and then ordered him to make her sit beside him.
So, please refer to the authentic sources and once again I apologize to all the non-Muslims on this forum from the bottom of my heart. I really hope this helped clarify your confusion. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE refer to the authentic sources mentioned above only and if not then do ask a sheikh who is a scholar and is well read about issues of fiqh or jurisprudence. Thanks to all those for replying to that member and Jayne I would like to thank you too for making this post and speaking out against abuse which is justified in the name of masculinity. 😊
Edited by rabees011 - 11 years ago
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