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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: delena90



And that's my biggest issue with all three of them:

Ayaan had no right to ask.

Asad had no right to give.

and Zoya should have just walked out and flown back all the way to NY.

@Pri - Asad had no business calling her because:

1. It IS advocating infidelity. People seem to forget that marriage at the end of the day, legally, is a piece of paper. That is what confirms to society that you are indeed married. Your beliefs and feelings don't come into play. If it did I guarantee half the men and women in our society would not be "married".

2.What purpose did it serve for him to call her? From Zoya's POV he has betrayed her trust - as she pointed out in her internal monologue what exactly did he hope to achieve by calling her?

At this point Zoya needs a new man and Asad and Ayaan need new hobbies.

@pri...I am at a party dear but had to comment...yes, it is the first seed in infidelity...but what amazes is that ppl here thinks it's not a real marriage...the fact is that it doesn't matter what the brothers think...they signed a marriage certificate...Zoya and Ayaan are legally married. I was irked by the man's audacity to call her after forcing her to sign the papers...was he expecting that she would be running back in his arms...well, he should have thought about it before trading her off for his very whining and lame sister who wants to finish of her life because she cannot get a man.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Jazzy-


My issue is that the Nikaah is invalid. If the matrimony was legal and valid, only then would it advocate infidelity. Correct me if I am wrong, but people have pointed out that Zoya's name wasn't even correct on the nikaahnama. Obviously, the marriage has no religious or legal bases then. It is a sham that needs to be executed for the sake of another person.


Were ZoYaan actually married and Ayaan didn't consider Zoya his bhabhi, the situation would have been significantly different.



But the characters don't know that the marriage is invalid - the audience does. We were given a front row seat to the ZoYaan marriage which is why we do indeed know that all this is invalid. But for Asad and apparently everyone else this marriage is legal despite the circumstance. Both Zoya and Ayaan have harped on and on about the marriage being a mistake and accidental but have they bothered to find out whether the marriage was legal/valid or not?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: -Jazzy-



My issue is that the Nikaah is invalid. If the matrimony was legal and valid, only then would it advocate infidelity. Correct me if I am wrong, but people have pointed out that Zoya's name wasn't even correct on the nikaahnama. Obviously, the marriage has no religious or legal bases then. It is a sham that needs to be executed for the sake of another person.


Were ZoYaan actually married and Ayaan didn't consider Zoya his bhabhi, the situation would have been significantly different.

I don't know about the technicalities of the community marriage...but as far as I understand to consider the marriage invalid they do have to annul all the other marriages happened at the community. They did sign the papers which makes them married and all three of them knows that... infact Zoya and Ayaan has been repeatedly harping that it was a mistake. Anyways, as of now they are legally married.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: delena90



And that's my biggest issue with all three of them:

Ayaan had no right to ask.

Asad had no right to give.

and Zoya should have just walked out and flown back all the way to NY.

@Pri - Asad had no business calling her because:

1. It IS advocating infidelity. People seem to forget that marriage at the end of the day, legally, is a piece of paper. That is what confirms to society that you are indeed married. Your beliefs and feelings don't come into play. If it did I guarantee half the men and women in our society would not be "married".

2.What purpose did it serve for him to call her? From Zoya's POV he has betrayed her trust - as she pointed out in her internal monologue what exactly did he hope to achieve by calling her?

At this point Zoya needs a new man and Asad and Ayaan need new hobbies.

@ blue
That is my biggest issue too. And I completely agree .

Regarding infidelity. delena90

All three of them consider this as an accidental ,valid but temporary arrangement /nikah, which will be annuled later.
So I feel that Asad was right in calling her as he still thinks that he will bring her back
And Zoya was right in picking up the call, because she is mad at him and rightly so.

That is from character's POV.

My personal opinion . I would never be with any one of them.
Their affection is lopsided at best.

Why would I be with a guy who was my priority and for whom I was an option ?


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rupunzale

I don't know about the technicalities of the community marriage...but as far as I understand to consider the marriage invalid they do have to annul all the other marriages happened at the community. They did sign the papers which makes them married and all three of them knows that... infact Zoya and Ayaan has been repeatedly harping that it was a mistake. Anyways, as of now they are legally married.


1. Father's name was wrong .
2.They said haan haan two times only.they were asked once , should have been asked thrice.
3. They said it unknowingly.
4.it will be a wrong document .. with technical difficulties.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: delena90



But the characters don't know that the marriage is invalid - the audience does. We were given a front row seat to the ZoYaan marriage which is why we do indeed know that all this is invalid. But for Asad and apparently everyone else this marriage is legal despite the circumstance. Both Zoya and Ayaan have harped on and on about the marriage being a mistake and accidental but have they bothered to find out whether the marriage was legal/valid or not?


Exactly - the moment they signed the legal papers, they are married. While Zoya and Ayaan have cried about it being a mistake and an accident, they DO NOT know that it is invalid...

So yes, they are married for the time being. And Asad initiating any contact with Zoya at this point is definitely the first step towards an extra marital affair.

IMO, all the three of them have landed in this messy position -and my irritation with the writers is that to absolve Zoya of any blame in this fiasco, they have butchered her character. She was shown to be submissive and dumb when she should have yelled and walked out. Having said that, Asad had no business to force her to do what he wants for the sake of his idiot brother!

Ideally after this fiasco is over, Zoya should walk out and get a new guy - but well, we know that aint happening anytime!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: gossipgirlxoxo


1. Father's name was wrong .
2.They said haan haan two times only.they were asked once , should have been asked thrice.
3. They said it unknowingly.
4.it will be a wrong document .. with technical difficulties.


Amber, Yes, it is an invalid marriage - for the reasons you have mentioned... BUT have Zoya and Ayaan figured that out? NO!

We as an audience have been made privy to this.

When Zoya and Ayaan were telling Asad about it, they harped on it being an accident and a galti - not once did they think about its validity...

Worse they went and signed a legal document... So yes, the characters as they see it are married - even though they do want to end it the moment Nikhat gets married...

So from a purely characters point of view, why should Asad (after forcing Zoya to wed Ayaan legally) call her or try to contact her? I think, the enormity of his mistake did strike him as he told Dilshad about it - He should wait till Nikhats marriage is over and then start his pursuit of Zoya again



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: delena90



And that's my biggest issue with all three of them:

Ayaan had no right to ask.

Asad had no right to give.

and Zoya should have just walked out and flown back all the way to NY.

@Pri - Asad had no business calling her because:

1. It IS advocating infidelity. People seem to forget that marriage at the end of the day, legally, is a piece of paper. That is what confirms to society that you are indeed married. Your beliefs and feelings don't come into play. If it did I guarantee half the men and women in our society would not be "married".

2.What purpose did it serve for him to call her? From Zoya's POV he has betrayed her trust - as she pointed out in her internal monologue what exactly did he hope to achieve by calling her?

At this point Zoya needs a new man and Asad and Ayaan need new hobbies.



What is the point the show is trying to make here?

All through history women have been asked to sacrifice..and we have given.

We have sacrificed our dreams for the stability of the family.

We have foregone our right to education so our parents can feel settled after marrying us off.

We have given up on our jobs to raise the next generation.

We have even borne children after children, without given a choice...



All because we trust our parents, our husbands...to make the right decision for us.

Sometimes we know what is better for us...even then, we sacrifice...NOT BECAUSE WE ARE A COMMODITY, but we are exactly a pawn.

That is how society has looked on women for ages...someone who IS INCAPABLE OF DECISION MAKING.

It is this issue the show is addressing currently, if you care to look beyond the love story.

Ayan should not have asked. He did.

Asad should not have listened, he did..he allowed himself to be blackmailed emotionally, by three different people.

Zoya should have stood up for her rights...but she chose to stand up for her love, in a moment of weakness.


Leading to a stupid decision that could have disastrous consequences to all their lives.

Delena,


Infidelity:

It is not infidelity, because that is only in the minds of certain select viewers.

Asad calls it 'EK KAAGAZ BE TIKI HUI BAAT UNHE MUJHSE ITNI DOOR LE GAYI'- That is all it is to him...a piece of paper...he does not even consider her married.

Neither does Zoya, as has been clearly shown.

INFIDELITY is a term society will accuse them with, as many already are...Probably we will see the regressive elements embracing the term soon in the show.



He called her, because he wanted to reassure her...that things will be fine. That he will make it all fine.. May not be today, but surely after Nikhat's nikah...whatever badnaami he will have to endure to make 'them' a possibility.

Rupunzale:

A character used as a pawn...

Asad was used as a pawn by Tanveer.

Humeira and Ayan were used as pawns by Raziya for her game...

Pawn does not mean commodity...it just means someone who has been misled ...whose ACTIONS HAVE BEEN GUIDED BY OTHERS...


And like I pointed out in the beginning, women have always been used as pawns throughout...and the show is addressing just that.

You would see that if you were patient.

IF YOU'D RATHER JUMP THE GUN AND START MAKING PETITIONS...😆

I don't understand it...the show is not promoting slavery or trade or whatever nonsense you are implying...I hope the people in BCCC have enough sense to know that!😊


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: gossipgirlxoxo


1. Father's name was wrong .
2.They said haan haan two times only.they were asked once , should have been asked thrice.
3. They said it unknowingly.
4.it will be a wrong document .. with technical difficulties.



@blue - All things only the audience knows. Right now for the characters - this marriage is very much legal.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: hsvs


Amber, Yes, it is an invalid marriage - for the reasons you have mentioned... BUT have Zoya and Ayaan figured that out? NO!

We as an audience have been made privy to this.

When Zoya and Ayaan were telling Asad about it, they harped on it being an accident and a galti - not once did they think about its validity...

Worse they went and signed a legal document... So yes, the characters as they see it are married - even though they do want to end it the moment Nikhat gets married...



Oh I know that ... Read my comment before that comment.
They all are saying that hum is shadi ko valid maante hain but ghalat maante hain and will annul it at A later date .
That at umr concept is also gone .
They are all effed up...
And Zoya should just leave but calling the next day after getting her emotional note isn't that bad !

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