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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ Shaz: Hey, may I just say that the DT cannot be here 24x7, so if you feel that topics are repetitive, you can always Report them or PM any of the Development Team members and we will be happy to do the necessary. QH is a big forum and we cannot keep going through pages and pages [QH forum itself has 5-10 pages per day] and categorizing topics... So if you find repetitive topics, feel free to mention it to either Jyo, Persephone or myself through PM or a simple report!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I beg to respectfully disagree Shifali, a slap is domestic violence regardless of whether in QH or not. In NZ, I could get a "man" sent to spend a nice night in jail if he did to me what Asad did to Zoya, regardless of the frickin' circumstances. I will be blunt here; the only reason why Asad and domestic abuse can't get uttered in the same sentence is because of the actor playing the character. And that is a huge damn shame. So until the DT admits that the forum is wayy too sensitive over Asad because of KSG or until the DT agrees that YES, a slap is a domestic violence and can be discussed in this context, I'm afraid we are at an impasse. And attempting to pacify us by throwing us mere morsels of calculated "privileges" will not work. We will straightaway see right thru them.

The fact is that the makers of the show conciously chose to show the slap, they intentionally decided the brutality of it that sent Zoya flying across the room like a mere rag doll, they then chose to make a black and bitter mockery of the grieviousness of it and they then had the audacity to show Zoya flinching involuntarily at the mere raise of Asad's hand. Zoya's reaction was that of a victim, psychologically scarred by the experience. And the heights of irresponsibility here is that the PH believes they can get away with showing all of the above and not addressing any issue adequately, forget even sensitively. Unfortunately for them, not all viewers are passive and some are not as obviously affected by the male skin show and random Mitwas they offer up every second episode to forget what went on before and what still needs to be done. I'm sorry but some of us just cannot turn a blind eye to all this, because we are well-versed with the impact of the media upon impressionable minds. It is not just a show, it is a platform that needs to be used responsibly and with a conscience. If the slap would not have been shown, we would not be here - It was a cheap TRP tactic, that is all, and awareness needs to be spread that this is neither right nor acceptable. All I see here is the DT effectively blocking that first crucial step to awareness - someone needs to stand up and say this is wrong. And if it has to be us, a handful of viewers of QH, then so frickin' be it.

Edited by Aalia_A - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: jyoti06

@Adeeti10 : If someone makes a comment asking u to leave the forum , report it asap and u will find a mod note there .. noone has right to ask any member leave the forum .. so thank you for raising this topic .. it will b looked upon that no member is asking anyone to leave the forum from here onwards 😊



@Laila : Censorship is everywhere ..isn't it .. without censorship things on a public platform can go haywire .. why just a forum , u will find censorship on TV , Cinema all over .. its to make sure people of all age grps can together watch something especially a forum is about members coming together to discuss a particular show ..
. we r not here to discuss a serious social issue .. for that separate forums r made .. this is just a serial forum where members come to hv some fun and at times if topic is serious , then hv a serious debate but not to an extent that after a point it starts affecting us ..

If we r stopping u guys from opening any post altogether , u hv every right to say our freedom is curtailed .. but thats not the case anymore .. u r free to open topics .. all we want is topics to discuss the matter limited to the show and not go beyond that which if in your definition means censorship , then so be it .. like I said such censorship u will find in every single public platform or else how can a forum's decorrum be maintained ??

Coming to your topic on domestic violence , its a very very sensitive matter .. so unless a show is actually highlighting domestic violence as main concept , we cannot let members openly discuss it either ...(Mayb a reference here and there is fine .. but making topics on it as main subject matter is something we cant allow unless we hv a track itself running on domestic violence )

When a member is justifying Asad slapping Zoya , u hv every right to oppose the member but all we r saying is dont get personal with the member ... topic here is slap .. whether someone supports or opposes the slap ..its part of the show , so both sides can debate it out peacefully...

Last but not the least if comments r made like "if u r here to just criticise , then leave or stop watching " .. report such posts and we will make sure action is taken


Thanks Jyoti... Will report it henceforth.

Re. the part highlighted in bold, you do admit that what is happening here is censorship.

The point that some of us were trying to make was exactly that... A prime time show like QH is watched by all age groups together and the "mitwa" tune in the background when Asad grabs Zoya or gets aggressive with her can confuse or send out the wrong signals to impressionable minds.

That created a furore on the forum where people thought they were being aytacked because they didn't condemn the slap.

If one group is allowed to discuss it and praise, condone, explain it in context, whatever one may call it... Why can't another group call a spade a spade? The slap is just one instance of Asad's aggression towards Zoya.

1. The grabbing by neck scene

2. The slap

3. The grabbing by arms scene

These are top of mind for me... I'm sure there are others too. What I see here is a pattern, not a one off thing, so I fail to understand why I'm not allowed to call it out.

It's hypocrisy and double standards if one group is allowed to praise it but others can't condemn it or can condemn it only within the confines of predefined boundaries just because it hurts the sentiments of a larger group.

I'm not asking those who don't want to read about my divergent opinion to visit my thread, but I'll be damned if I'm or even allowed to speak my mind.

Honestly, I'm getting the feeling that I could write a thousand posts here to explain my POV in a calm, rational manner but the moderators have already made up their minds.

The topic here is slap... It is an act of aggression, violence. In some countries, in the context of two people sharing a household and inflicting physical, mental or emotional pain on each other... It is considered domestic violence.

We live in a globalised world where entertainment is consumed by people with different sensibilities. I thought this forum was also global in its mindset. But I see now that it caters to a certain set of sensibilities and those with contradictory opinions must tip toe around sensitive matters so as to not hurt the sentiments of the majority. So what if the rights of the few who want to speak their minds in a calm, mature and non personal way are trampled upon in the process.

If that's what the goal is, then congratulations... I think it has been achieved.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Adeeti brings an important point up in her post DEV team that you must consider; IF caters to a global community and a lot of people in countries in the west have been educated in what does not constitute acceptable male behavior and as a result, the laws and rules of those societies are different. It is difficult therefore for the DEV team to impose upon us the same rules that might be acceptable within your own cultural frame work or what might be the majority of those on the forum. In order to be inclusive of all views, the DEV team will have to work harder to embrace the cultural diversity out there which includes members like myself.

Now we do not plan on opening a post that says "Asad and Zoya Domestic Violence," (we're not like that) but we definitely do have issue with this relationship and it does bother us with what message the PH is sending. Now, we understand there are a number of people on the forum who do not care and want to write posts drooling over KSG, his six packs and AsYa etc. That's fine, they have their posts and threads, but we were never accorded that right to have our own. I do recollect that Shifali did close down two threads that were very vulgar and taunting and did explain to members that we did have a right to voice our opinion but then subsequently closed down threads that voiced that opinion!

We have complied as best as we can by not opening up new topics on the "slap" issue and this has been very frustrating for us as we cannot discuss what bothers us on the show while other members who are not bothered by the slap can post all day long - they can praise the abuse, they can classify it as a turn on and claim they are looking forward to aggressive love and even go so far as to say that Zoya was turned on by the abuse (and yes, I can give you these posts), but we cannot speak out about our concerns?

We do enjoy this show; if we didn't we wouldn't be so passionate or frustrated with what we saw.
Edited by Laila2009 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#25
Guys there is no point stretching the whole issue like a rubberband .. we hv given u the freedom to open topics on slap issue and debate it out but the only condition we hv kept here is plss dont go completely off topic and stick to the storyline thats been shown in the serial ... Slap is just a part of the ongoing serial and not the serial ,... this is what we mean ... Slap fiasco which was shown is not the main track but a part of the track but the bigger issue in the serial is something else .. right ? ... if the whole show was about how Asad manhandling Zoya , u guys could argue on "if the show itself is on domestic violence , why cant we discuss it in detail" .. but thats not the case ...

There was a show on life ok named saubhagyavati bhava whose main concept itself was domestic violence and so the mods there had given full freedom to discuss the issue .. but is QH on domestic violence ? nope .. its concept is totally different , thats the reason why we cant allow every single topic on same issue ... there r separate forums made for this purpose , so that every forum discusses based on the concept of that particular show or else there would not hv been so many separate forums for discussion ..

What happened in past where u guys feel topics were closed in unfair manner , for that dev team already apologised and gave u guys the freedom to open slap topics again ... all we expect from u guys is to not go overboard with the discussion so that things dont turn ugly again .. I already said if u had to give a slight reference of domestic violence to put up your argument ,its fine but just dont go overboard with it that after a point it does not really look like QH show discussion at all ..

About repitative topics , there is a report button .. if u feel too many topics opened on same thing , u can always report and wait at least 24 hrs for mods to come and close those topics ..
Edited by jyoti06 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Allah Miyan, calm down everybody. Both of the sides are right. We need to discuss and debate issues of abuse and at the same time the language used detracts many from the enjoyment of the show. So those highlighting problems, please consider perspective of those who might not agree with you, and those who want to just enjoy the show, please respect the right of people to highlight matters offensive to them. I think mods have arrived at a perfectly acceptable solution and we should respect them.

I'm sure despite strong objections to Asad's characterization, most would agree that there is a lot working for the show. So lets do both- enjoy its uniqueness and prompt it to become more socially sensitive. After all, Asad's character is not good only because its been played by KSG, it's appealing on a variety of levels.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#27
@Jyoti,
Thanks for your patience and clarifications. Good to know that we do have the freedom to express ourselves as long as we don't go overboard. We will keep that in mind 😊

Appreciate your efforts.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank you Jyoti. Apologies for coming on strong before, but I feel we can work something out and stay within acceptable limits as long as we're given a chance to express ourselves without fear of being reprimanded or simply told to move on from it. Thank you for giving us that chance, it is up to us now to live up to that faith and we surely intend to.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Joyti, Appreciate your efforts and your willingness to hear us out. We appreciate your clarifications and the chance to address our concerns about the show.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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From what I have understood.. the ban on the slap topics has been removed and instead the word 'domestic violence' is now forbidden in the forum. But I have to admit that I fail to understand the logic in this because the slap does come under domestic violence... but if this is how it should be, then so be it.

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