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Posted: 12 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: delena90



I agree completely with your analysis on Asad's inability to listen but honestly in this scenario Dilshaad is wrong. Rashid didn't murder someone...that much is true...but he did commit arson and he is an accomplice to a murder so he is NOT innocent. Personally, he deserves to rot in jail. If he had only told the truth from the start a lot of the trouble he is in now would not have occured.


Rashid cannot absolve himself at all, I agree. At least not based on facts that we know. His silence yesterday was unfathomable. He could have at least attempted to tell Asad the truth, I mean he may have chosen to disbelieve him anyway, but why was he that shellshocked?! 😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: TabassumR


Rashid cannot absolve himself at all, I agree. At least not based on facts that we know. His silence yesterday was unfathomable. He could have at least attempted to tell Asad the truth, I mean he may have chosen to disbelieve him anyway, but why was he that shellshocked?! 😕



Rashid needs a brain transplant!!!!!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup


The media is a very powerful source of socialization and if you've taken the time to study basic Sociology and Psychology, you will know that there are plenty of studies to telling us that what people see on television and form and reinforce certain ideas and opinions. Therefore to just say this is a fictional show and no-one including the public have no right to speak out is in itself a form of censorship and tragically a rather dangerous approach to take.

Laila,

What idea does one get while watching Asad slapping Zoya?

The only idea we all get is that Asad slapped Zoya in anger...it is a flaw in his character.No one praises him for it. And I bet even you won't take random person who hits out at another person in even road rage to the police station. I guess you'd rather try to settle things between thh two parties, as a mediator.

So also, if you see a brother hitting a sister, when he finds she is using drugs...would you bring him to book? You wouldn't be able to justify his action, but it does not warrant a strong action.

It is the same we feel with Asad and Zoya.
It looked like she threatened his Ammi's life with her actions...so he reacted. He does not have to go to jail for it.

Similarly, for Dilshad , Asad has made a very SERIOUS ACCUSATION against his dad without waiting to hear HIS SIDE OF THE STORY...the wife hit out, because she feared for her husband...

The mother hit out because she realised her son was one-track minded...he was putting other people's lives in danger here...esp when she knows how dangerous Rashid's situation actually is...

Do you seriously feel that any girl out there will take the message that it is good to keep silent when someone hits you...wife beating thrives because the women are scared to respond. Zoya definitely did not give any of us that message.

Please don't underrate the women or girls who are watching the show...

You can speak out...NO PROBLEM.

You can say that you don't like to see a woman getting slapped by a man...and I can say that item songs in movies are misleading our youth...I simply feel I have a more valid point...you don't have to agree with me.😊

Wanted to explain th eroad rage..

Suppose a biker tries to overtake a family in a car and endangers the family. The father gets out of the car and slaps the biker...would you take the dad to Police?


didn't have the time to read all the posts on this thread, but totally agree with this one!

again, i'd like to reiterate its not right to use a 'slap' in any situation, but given we're all humans and anger is one of the emotions we unfortunately have, a slap is not criminal, especially when the reason was sensible enough. (e.g. a man when drunk trying to slap a woman would be totally wrong!)

anyway, so the point is there will always be people in the world who will see things in a negative way or misconstrue what's shown in the media be it tv, movies, etc. e.g. someone might watch the show and think its okay to slap (which is clearly not what the show tried to imply in this instance) and they'd go around hitting women in the house. but those kind of people would already be twisted in their heads to think so. and freedom of speech and expression cannot curb these kind of things in media just so that those so called twisted people don't get a chance to lash out!
Edited by hirie - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: hirie

I didn't have the time to read all the posts on this thread, but totally agree with this one!

again, i'd like to reiterate its not right to use a 'slap' in any situation, but given we're all humans and anger is one of the emotions we unfortunately have, a slap is not criminal, especially when the reason was sensible enough. (e.g. a man when drunk trying to slap a woman would be totally wrong!)

anyway, so the point is there will always be people in the world who will see things in a negative way or misconstrue what's shown in the media be it tv, movies, etc. e.g. someone might watch the show and think its okay to slap (which is clearly not what the show tried to imply in this instance) and they'd go around hitting women in the house. but those kind of people would already be twisted in their heads to think so. and freedom of speech and expression cannot curb these kind of things in media just so that those so called twisted people don't get a chance to lash out!

It is terribly important to remember that when POVs are presented they are presented as POVs and not facts. it is your theory that as humans we would slap each other under similar circumstances such as Asad slapping Zoya or Dilshaad slapping Asad. Incorrect. And if that behavior did occur, even those individuals who slapped would not justify it.
Slapping is actually a criminal act depending on the country in which you live. If a woman is slapped either by a spouse or someone else, they can actually file a police report for assault charges - Yes, I've seen it happen multiple time. So to say this is not a criminal act depends on the a) the country in which you live and b) your own cultural frame of refence as to what constitues physical abuse. Among some cultures slapping a woman under certain circumstances is perfectly acceptable.
The media has a responsiblity in that if they wish to show these behaviors, they have to make it clear that they are not condoning it or allow for any confusion among audience members of their intent. While in India it is perfectly fine for a man so slap his spouse regardless of the reason, in the west, the media does not condone the practice.
It is this cultural frame of reference that some of us bring that is not acceptable. In our view, and based upon the research and studies we have read, these practices are not justifiable and using anger or the situation as a rationale for them are unacceptable.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#65
I cannot respond to more posts as I do not have the time. However, I have reserved this post in the event this thread is closed and I cannot respond to any at later time.
Laila
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Posted: 12 years ago
#66
APJ has once said future of India depends upon the youth .

But minds are so regressive in order to justify our fav show or fav actor real issue and real problems are brushed off to the extent where we fail to understand the underlying content .

sorry state of affairs
Edited by nebuna - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I don't know about any one else, but I personally didn't justify Asad's slap and I didn't justify Dilshad's either, because like I have said time and time again unnecessary violence is wrong, no matter if it's a women committing the violence or a man.

Both the times the violence wasn't necessary, because words could have made the exact same impact a slap would have done and those are my fathers words, my parents have never raised their hands on us to even discipline us because their words were enough to do that, they don't believe in violence and they have raised me and my siblings with the same out look.

I strongly believe that Dilshad could have handled this better than how she did and the same goes for when Asad slapped Zoya, both were wrong for physically hurting someone.
Edited by iqbal-pallavi - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: hirie

if we were really to be stern and implicate the ZOYA-SLAP as "NOT JUSTIFIED" then i'm afraid by international standards, even a mother slapping a son is not justified, as it would be classified as child abuse!


From which angle does Asad look like a child to you? 😉😆😳
A child is anyone below 18 yrs of age..which Asad is definitely NOT!.😃
Edited by pallavi25 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laila2009

It is terribly important to remember that when POVs are presented they are presented as POVs and not facts. it is your theory that as humans we would slap each other under similar circumstances such as Asad slapping Zoya or Dilshaad slapping Asad. Incorrect. And if that behavior did occur, even those individuals who slapped would not justify it.

Slapping is actually a criminal act depending on the country in which you live. If a woman is slapped either by a spouse or someone else, they can actually file a police report for assault charges - Yes, I've seen it happen multiple time. So to say this is not a criminal act depends on the a) the country in which you live and b) your own cultural frame of refence as to what constitues physical abuse. Among some cultures slapping a woman under certain circumstances is perfectly acceptable.
The media has a responsiblity in that if they wish to show these behaviors, they have to make it clear that they are not condoning it or allow for any confusion among audience members of their intent. While in India it is perfectly fine for a man so slap his spouse regardless of the reason, in the west, the media does not condone the practice.
It is this cultural frame of reference that some of us bring that is not acceptable. In our view, and based upon the research and studies we have read, these practices are not justifiable and using anger or the situation as a rationale for them are unacceptable.


Laila,

Which culture says slapping is acceptable?

Slapping a grown up woman or man is certainly not acceptable in any cilture.

But some cultures go by ;'spare the rod and spoil the child'.
It is the norm in India- parents have tHE RIGHT TO DISCIPLINE THEIR CHILDREN, so long as they don't physically ABUSE them. Caning and slapping don't come under child abuse yet.

Scalding and whipping does.

I am talking about India, and QH is within the cultural norms of this country.

Assad slapping Zoya, if you don't bring the sexist thinking, which is purely how SOME OF YOU interpreted asthe slap as...the makers just intended to show one adult hitting another adult in a fit of rage and HELPLESSNESS.

In our view, and based upon the research and studies we have read, these practices are not justifiable and using anger or the situation as a rationale for them are unacceptable.

I suppose your research is conducted on the Western population.

Do explain to me: Why is it that the West has more of school children wielding guns, given they have all this research to support them?

Does that mean these countries have no angry people or people who who lash out in anger ONCE are prescribed anger management classes?

By that standard both Dilshad and her beloved son should be shown taking anger management classes. Actually, that'd be fun to watch!😉

Research can only help you to an extent...it gives you reasons.. NOT ANSWERS, finally it boils down to an individual and his GOD...if you cannot control yourself, you'll end up paying for it soon. This is what Zoya is trying to save Asad from...and what Dilshad is trying to warn him about...He decide to move against his father because he remained rigid in his thinking...and he will pay for it.

Right now, he has got his dad imprisoned for a crime he did not commit and he has fallen an easy prey to Raziya's plans...He will regret it one day. The show is trying to give you that message.😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
#70

Originally posted by: nebuna

APJ has once said future of India depends upon the youth .

But minds are so regressive in order to justify our fav show or fav actor real issue and real problems are brushed off to the extent where we fail to understand the underlying content .

sorry state of affairs


Nebuna,

I don't think poor APJ had the youth that watches a hindi serial and wastes time defending fictional characters on a forum in his mind.

He has greater expectations from the youth than that.

Or do you think he will lead your rally for ''eliminate violence in TV shows- it is corrupting our youth'😉

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