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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: narangi314

What do we do after Qubool nahin hai?


Once a show becomes unreasonable to me (mostly in the case of Hindi soaps because it is regressive to the point of making me ill), I stop watching. I am not entertained by shows that insult my intelligence. For these reasons I have stopped watching QH. I have said my piece here about violence and I won't tire of saying it over and over again if need be. I'll come here and support those who continue to voice their disgust.

I also really am glad to have met so many enlightened folks here.

But I am curious to know from those of you who have been as disgusted and disappointed with this show as I have been...

How many of you will continue to watch? and why?


Truthfully, i would love for us to start a new post...what are your feelings about the show now that the whole issue has been treated so lightly...it would be so interesting for us to be able to talk about how we feel and where we stand...it would be interesting for us to be able to talk about our feelings...I think it is important since a lot of us are really traumatized by what we have seen.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Laila2009


Truthfully, i would love for us to start a new post...what are your feelings about the show now that the whole issue has been treated so lightly...it would be so interesting for us to be able to talk about how we feel and where we stand...it would be interesting for us to be able to talk about our feelings...I think it is important since a lot of us are really traumatized by what we have seen.



Do you want to start it? I'd be happy to, but it'll have to be after a few hrs ...

People might find it hard to believe that I am not "withering away at my laptop"! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...😆

Edited by narangi314 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: narangi314



Do you want to start it? I'd be happy to, but it'll have to be after a few hrs ...

People might find it hard to believe that I am not "withering away at my laptop"! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...😆


Yes, a post that has an original title..kind of like -what now folks...or can you still watch the show or what are the highlights left for you...can you feel the same...what are you feelings about the show...a title that is unique and i would put a disclaimer that this focus is for those who have been left upset...it is not to discuss the slap etc but more our feelings about the show at this point and if we want to watch it...it is for those who want to express their loss - sure we can wait...and for a lot of people the fact is that for most of us...we won't be watching it and i do not think we will be visiting the forum as often since the show will no longer hold the same passion or zest for us.
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Posted: 12 years ago
I thought I was the only one disappointed in Asad's apology. They need to do better than that.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: cherryfrasier

I thought I was the only one disappointed in Asad's apology. They need to do better than that.


Cherryfraiser, welcome to the forum! Despite the tremendous amount of hate posts and censorship, there is this one thread that stands here that speaks out against the redemption track. I am glad that you are able to come here and still know that you are not alone in your disappointment...as you can see here, there are a lot of us - not welcomed or liked for our stance and who receive a daily barage of posts trying to shut down this viewpoint.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Thanks considering you have accepted the redemption track and it is qubool hai for you...what do you like about this post? I am curious. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
Okay, so you guys know that I am totally against violence unless it's self-defense, right? I'm just re-iterating that before I go on to say something that might come as a surprise.

So I stopped watching the show after the episode in which Asad threatened Zoya...

But today I finally actually watched the next episode in which Asad apologizes. And I was surprised to find myself accepting it's sincerity!!!! Believe me, I was like, are you kidding me Mira?! 😕😆 But, somehow, given the characters, the apology rang true to me.

Look, I never wanted a protracted and groveling apology (I know some find that romantic. I don't. End of.). All I wanted was a sincere apology that acknowledged that there was no excuse for violence.

Am I being naive in thinking that Asad might have been sincere? Granted that his regret came AFTER ammi told him that it was she who had brought Mariam back into the house and perhaps that undercuts the basis for the apology. But he did try to say "mujhe aap par hath nahin..."

Yes he could have and should have said a LOT more, but he's just not that kind of guy. And to me it seemed like Zoya understood what he wanted to say and didn't need him to actually say ALL the words...does that make any sense? These things do depend on the dynamic between two people, don't they? Now I am tremendously vocal (surprise! 😆) and perhaps end up saying a lot more than is absolutely necessary, but not everyone is like that. That much I accept.

And Zoya might just have been able to "get" what he wanted to say without him having to say it. That sort of rings true to me with these characters...And what I found really fascinating about her response was her calling him on the ammi insult. THAT was the "real" blow to Zoya, and not the slap and she didn't let him off easily on that one did she? And his silence I think did mean that he was "hearing" her...at least I hope so...I know I know, he tried to make excuses ... he said he was scared...but he did acknowledge that he should have never have said those things to her...

Anyway, am I being NUTS here? Feel free to say so friends! I think the realization that he had been blaming Zoya unfairly might have made him realize that he should have NEVER under any circumstances raised his hand, NEVER have threatened her like that, no matter how scared/angry he was. That there were no excuses for his behavior.

Am I reading too much into his barely there apology?!!!!

I feel that I might be able to give Asad one more chance after all. But just ONE more. If he raises his hand to her again, I mean, that will the end. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. That goes for me AND Zoya!

So have I had too much wine with dinner?! 😆 or am I making sense?
I know I needn't say this again, but I will for those with any doubts - I do NOT think the slap was justified on ANY grounds...


****ADDED*****

I will say that the spitting out the coffee comedy first struck me as totally tasteless. Then it occurred to me that it was totally Zoya. It made sense to me that she would try and make a joke at a totally inappropriate moment. Here's Asad being all serious and Zoya has moved on. Apology made. Apology accepted. time to lighten the mood with a joke. that's how her thought process works. And then when she tries to reach out to him...WHAM! back to square one.

And by the way, I don;t think Zoya apologized to Asad. Her saying sorry was more like a "I'm sorry this happened to Ammi".. It's an american thing...it;s not an apology sorry it's a sympathy sorry...

Again I could be giving them too much benefit here... 😆


Waiting to hear your views friends!




Edited by narangi314 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: narangi314

Okay, so you guys know that I am totally against violence unless it's self-defense, right? I'm just re-iterating that before I go on to say something that might come as a surprise.


So I stopped watching the show after the episode in which Asad threatened Zoya...

But today I finally actually watched the next episode in which Asad apologizes. And I was surprised to find myself accepting it's sincerity!!!! Believe me, I was like, are you kidding me Mira?! 😕😆 But, somehow, given the characters, the apology rang true to me.

Look, I never wanted a protracted and groveling apology (I know some find that romantic. I don't. End of.). All I wanted was a sincere apology that acknowledged that there was no excuse for violence.

Am I being naive in thinking that Asad might have been sincere? Granted that his regret came AFTER ammi told him that it was she who had brought Mariam back into the house and perhaps that undercuts the basis for the apology. But he did try to say "mujhe aap par hath nahin..."

Yes he could have and should have said a LOT more, but he's just not that kind of guy. And to me it seemed like Zoya understood what he wanted to say and didn't need him to actually say ALL the words...does that make any sense? These things do depend on the dynamic between two people, don't they? Now I am tremendously vocal (surprise! 😆) and perhaps end up saying a lot more than is absolutely necessary, but not everyone is like that. That much I accept.

And Zoya might just have been able to "get" what he wanted to say without him having to say it. That sort of rings true to me with these characters...And what I found really fascinating about her response was her calling him on the ammi insult. THAT was the "real" blow to Zoya, and not the slap and she didn't let him off easily on that one did she? And his silence I think did mean that he was "hearing" her...at least I hope so...I know I know, he tried to make excuses ... he said he was scared...but he did acknowledge that he should have never have said those things to her...

Anyway, am I being NUTS here? Feel free to say so friends! I think the realization that he had blaming Zoya unfairly might have made him realize that he should have NEVER raised his hand, NEVER have threatened her like that, no matter how scared/angry he was. That there were no excuses for his behavior.

Am I reading too much into his barely there apology?!!!!

I feel that I might be able to give Asad one more chance after all. But just ONE more. If he raises his hand to her again, I mean, that will the end. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. That goes for me AND Zoya!

So have I had too much wine with dinner?! 😆 or am I making sense?


If the apology worked for you and you are happy - they that is your choice. It did not work for me and a lot of other people...and here is why

a) Asad never thought what he did was wrong; he only felt guilty because she had not put his mother's life in danger
b) His sorry was a mumble...and it was never a genuine out loud, I was wrong...it was i shouldn't have (because you were innocent) but because I was wrong.
c) He never asked about her hand, etc...as sincere as he might have it was very half-azz.(sorry for the words)

It left me feeling very empty and unfulfilled. I was not happy...Asad might have been genuinely sorry but for all the wrong reasons. That's what was missing. I was mortified at how poorly Zoya was shown forgiving him. I am not against forgiveness but what happened to the Zoya and her lengthy speech when she stood up to Asad when he sent her to Akram...was that just a marketing ploy by the PH to milk on the horrific Delhi case and act like they cared about women's rights? What was worse was Zoya's response - it was terrible and didn't show an element of self-respect. She showed no acknowledgement that what he did was wrong to her regarding the abuse on Monday or the manhandling on Wednesday. All she focused on was she didn't have a mother and he had reminded her of it. Was such a serious issue was turned into a joke by her..not a single line that what he did was wrong.

Had the redemption scene had some depth, some warmth, some compassion...where Asad would have simply gone to his room after realizing the truth and was shown to wrestle with SHAME and GUILT, then I would have felt some relief. If Zoya had at least said it was not acceptable for him to slap her under ANY circumstance and her feelings about it, and NOT have turned it all into a joke...that would have been at least helpful. ONE line from Zoya like the following: I forgive you but do not think I will forget how you treated me this week...it has left a black mark on my heart that will be hard to erase. GIVE AAK a challenge that the heart of Zoya Forooqui cannot be one by manhandling her...in doing so you teach all young women that they too are worthy of the respect and dignity of the man they love.

I will watch the show but not with the same joy; as my friend said how can a person ever dream of build a relationship following what we saw on Monday...there is no guarantee that tomorrow when he loses his temper and thinks she's at fault that he won't be ugly again...we never got that assurance that it won't happen again. And no healthy relationship can be built on disrespect.


Edited by Laila2009 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Laila

I completely agree with you that relationships must be built on mutual respect etc...and that is completely lacking here. I am not even envisaging these 2 as a couple at the moment.

I also totally see how the apology didn't work for you. I was actually quite surprised at how I felt. I sat down to watch the episode expecting to confirm my feelings of disappointment (based on what I read here). But that's not what I felt when I watched. I am not saying that it was ideal. But it didn't leave me totally unhappy either! What can I say?! 😕 No one's more surprised than I am!

But at the end of the day, I wish they had not used physical violence at all. You're right that the brushing aside of this so easily by Zoya sends the wrong message to those who might be vulnerable/ impressionable. If a man does it once he is more than likely to do it again...I won't argue with that. Too much evidence.


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