Pointing Fingers? Double Standards Much? - Page 4

Originally posted by: princessjojo

I'm reposting here coz I'm looking forward to replies..

Awesome post Shweta! But I disagree at least to a certain extent.

Let me start with a little background. Neither Asad nor Zoya is my golden boy/girl. I'm a fan of their jodi, that's it. Secondly, I never knew who KSG was till this show- so, while I'm impressed with him, I'm no KSG bhakht. I'm also mighty impressed with Surbhi.

Also I thought Asad was wrong in leaving Zoya behind without an internal battle. I was not impressed with the epiphany moment. He simply walked away while Dilawar gave him life lessons with an arm across with shoulder, telling him how he'll eventually get over this tragedy while Asad just listened on without enough emotional struggle and pleading. I did not want him to physically fight anyone off but I wanted him to have an internal battle. That particular scene/event in this story so far is a sore point for me. Realistic but not at all satisfactory.

Now coming to today, I still think Zoya is immature. So I guess I'm not a part of the gang that is constantly anti-Zoya or anti-Asad. When someone is at fault, he/she is at fault. She does not handle situations as best as one can. The girl just does not understand the gravity of her actions and that is a major turn off to me. I love the rest of her. I love her spirit, love her resilience, love her attitude, love her for always helping others out. I loved her scene with Maryam when she packed her clothes and money-I was in tears. It was the best scene for me. But I cannot love her for her immaturity and the 'sense of adventure'.

-It just does not matter to her that she has cost Asad to lose a business deal-she just doesn't get it that she might be causing financial loss to a guy who is supporting her lodging and food while she lives in his house without as much as cleaning her plate after each meal. Her goal is to get a sorry about of him without thinking of the implications.

-She says no in her wedding at the last minute. I'm a believer in better late than never. So she did well. But she simply does not accept the gravity of what she has done. She is constantly rationalizing and excusing herself with 'Mr. Khan, aap mere reasons nahi jaante'. Lol. Kaunse reasons?? You said a 'no' and contemplated running away even before you had any idea that these people are dangerous. The fact that they were actually dangerous and threatening only reinforced what you were contemplating- to run away. That rationalization, that blame-shifting is not attractive. (That does not change the fact that her reason to run away is none of Asad's business).

-She made a huge mistake by staying back at mangalpur. So if we really want to go to the seed of the drama, she has started it all. But for now let's leave it. Let's get back to the present and let's forget that Dilshaad was shot (because I think that the shooter is either from Razia/Mamu or from Firoz or from some unknown business rival Asad has and has no relation to Maryam). She has no right to keep Mariyam without informing Asad especially in light of the fact that they had just escaped not only death, but a brutal death. She is oblivious (or wants to be) to the fact that this is not NYC but India. She is culturally insensitive and she is too grown up to be excused for that. When she found Maryam in the front yard, she should mad an effort to find a more neutral solution than to simply and impulsively hide Maryam despite Asad warning her not to do so. Because, if after being buried alive, after being under the threat of swords and guns, after knowing how society works in parts of India, one still does not understand how serious these mangalpurians are, then I don't know what to say. Just like I expected Asad to have an internal battle or immediate epiphany about needing to save Zoya that day, the same way I expected Zoya to have at least some internal conflict, some guilt before hiding Maryam in the store room without a second thought to Asad's warnings earlier in the night. Life is about cost and benefit. Is the benefit of saving Maryam worth the cost of risking Asad, Najma and Dilshaad? I wished she had been shown to at least ruminate over this. The shooting may not have been by Dilawar's man, but the risk of such an incident by him was very real..even before Dilshaad brought Maryam beck.

Asad has his own set of faults. Not informing Dilshaad of the fiasco is his big one. If indeed the shooter is Dilawar's man, Zoya shares equal blame if not more in causing this drama.

Originally posted by: Rockerchic

Points well made.

You brought out my entire problem with the whole mangalpur track. There is absolutely no reflection from Asad or Zoya (more so with Zoya, Asad had his 2 min flashback at the very least)and that doesn't sit well with me because the entire sequence was very emotional and one would hope it would have changed the characters dispositions by some.

I wanted Zoya to display some sort of fear because for heaven's sake she was buried alive! Perhaps even a two minute monologue like "yes I know I'm wrong Mr Khan but I don't know what to do" and I would have understood why she kept Mariyum a secret.

With Asad the character development is slightly better we had the "I can see it in his eyes" dialogue and then his "Zoya means nothing to me" et al. So he acknowledges that mangalpur happened unlike Zoya.

I know neither KSG nor SJ only that I like their chemistry and that they are good actors.

But I do know Gul Khan and I know that her male characters are always sketched better than her female characters because a character like Asad is her forte.

I've tried to understand what Gul wants to say with Zoya. I like the feminist in Zoya and how she tells Asad he can't tell her what she should do, it's none of his businesses what she does with her time. I'm not sure how it happens in a conservative Indian household but it's entirely rude to ask someone who's not family, even if they are your guest, where they are going or whom they will be with.

As you rightly pointed out Zoya is completely nonchalant when it comes to ruining Asad' s office work and throwing things about his house.

What I understood here is that Asad and Zoya are extremes. Where in Asad needs to learn to be a bit more open minded and Zoya needs to be a bit more considerate of the culture and traditional ways.

What I hope is in due time we'll reach a point where they learn from each other.

Originally posted by: rogerrocks

Hey..i completely get where you are coming from and i do agree to a certain extent..i don endorse views like Zoya is annoying and stupid cos honestly i find her very endearing..the thing i like best about Asad -Zoya is that they are two flawed individuals..they are both judgmental, impulsive and opinionated in their own way..Regarding the scene where Asad walked away with his Mamu, tbh i loved it..i understand u wanted them to show the internal conflict but i liked the way the scene played out cos it just made Asad look that much more realistic..Now his first instinct would always be to look out for himself and is family..had it been Dilshad or Ayaan in that situation, i doubt Asad would have contemplated leaving even for a split second..the fact that he had the epiphany much later shows Zoya is slowly getting there..am sure Asad would have gone back even if it was a random stranger being buried purely on humanitarian grounds but the frantic searching and emotional turmoil were feelings which Zoya evoked..am not justifying Asad but i understand where he is coming from..

Now regarding the present situation, the reason why i felt Asad isn't in the wrong is cos i like the fact that he is selfishly looking out for his family and Zoya..Asad decided to keep Dilshad in the dark cos i don think he expected there would be any follow-up on the drama,,another vital contributor to his decision is the fact that he just wanted to forget everything that happened in Mangalpur and pretend like nothing ever happened..he was just being lil selfish cos he felt threatened by his new found feelings and found it best to not talk about those events and keep his ammi in the dark..more than the fact that he wanted to protect Dilshad, his own feelings and turmoil contributed to his hiding the entire incident..

Regarding Zoya's mistake, the main problem i had is the fact that it is Asad's house and Zoya is merely being a guest there..if Asad doesn't want someone at his place and decides to remain selfish, he is fully within his rights to do so..Zoya does have a heart of gold but there are certain lines a guest shouldn't encroach..Asad and Zoya have seen first hand how notorious Mariam's family is and thts the primary reason why Asad was being so reluctant..i was pleasantly surprised by the fact that he din flip and tried to explain the situation to Zoya,,it was beyond obvious he was terrified for Zoya and thats the reason why he kept threatening her to stay away from Mariam..moreover i think Asad had a point when he said Mariam is more in danger if she is with Zoya,,Mariam's dad fully expected her to come and meet Zoya..so she is their prime suspect and thats the first place they would keep their eye on..therefore i think it was only sensible to shift her somewhere else..

Now am sure Asad will lose his cool cos his mom means the world to him but am really hoping for a meaning conversation between the two thereafter..

Sorry for the long rant..i love both Asad and Zoya and the fact that both are flawed makes them so much more relatable and endearing😊