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Posted: 13 years ago
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NO offense to anyone, but I think we all are overreacting. I have given reasons why yash isn't an abuser, am suffering from fever now, so don't have the strength to list all of them again. Would say only this much that had he been an abuser by nature, he would have shoved aarti when she touched him yesterday again.
anyways, to say that hero is being turned into a villain is equivalent to juming to hasty ocnclusions, especially after yesterday's episode.
He was a lot cooler yesterday. He realized that he needed to control himself before his kids and he did that.
About the vrat, well, it was obvious that he wouldn't break her fast at the first instance.

Yash is a man who has both flaws and qualities, so is Aarti. Thats what makes the show interesting!
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Posted: 13 years ago
#32
i think yash had found arti's diary in which arti was confessing her love for ysh in mumbai...this may be the reason why yash became so angry...yash is really too much...he always love to insult arti publicly and create a sin ...
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Posted: 13 years ago
#33
kyu aap sabhi itni gusse mey it is starting point of love improvement
love is started with angry gussa but after it becomes a more and more love it stand for ever
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Posted: 13 years ago
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That was quite a vent , Charishma and I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it! 😃

I completely agree on everything you said about Yash's character, but far from being a mistake, I think it is a testament to the CV's courage, that we are all reacting like this. They had the guts to take their male lead to such a dark and gruesome place that we are all still reeling with the shock. But what I appreciate here, as opposed to most of the love stories on TV, is that it is so easy to show behaviour like this in a positive light, as hot and arrogant, but they did not go that way. You have enough forum experience to know how hard it is to get people to lift a finger against an attractive male lead; people usually expect the heroine to feel lucky that he loves her so much, it overflows in violent physical actions, and here we are unanimously throwing brick bats and rotten tomatoes at Yash's behaviour. Honestly, to my eyes, these CVs have achieved the impossible! 👏

If you listen to the latest interview with Sumeet Mittal, he is very clear on the fact that they are showing this as wrong, to show Yash's redemption because both fault and redemption are part of the story. This is the fault part and redemption will be all the more satisfying because they didn't scrimp on the fault or try to mask it as anything else. I mean, they could have easily shown a tortured Yash, battling his feelings, and all the romantics would have melted and sympathised. but they didn't. They first showed his behaviour from Aarti's perspective, which clarifies how irrational, unfair and thoroughly unromantic it is, before launching into the reason behind it. I applaud them for showing his erratic behaviour without the usual romance so we can see it for what it is, all kinds of crazy!



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Posted: 13 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: archverma10

Very well written and amazing post!!! I am actually a very active and diehard ARVI fan (Arjun and Purvi...Pavitra Rishta)...and methinks we may need to borrow you for our forum 😉



I loved your post. I agree that Aarti has gained little in this marriage. You know what the truly heartbreaking and beautiful thing about it though? She who has gained so little (for herself) through much personal sacrifice has managed to find so much happiness in that. And Yash, who has gained so much through hardly any personal sacrifice finds himself in deeper and deeper pits of dispair. Main difference between the two of them is Aarti wants to be happy, but Yash doesn't. I get it. He has personal demons. So then he can just be his own unhappy self. Why does she have to foist his unhappiness on others? That's what I don't get. And I'm a little disappointed that Mittals have not yet portrayed him externalizing his anger as wrong. Isn't that something you lead with? The recent interview is an acknowledgement of such behaviour being wrong, but I've yet to see that on screen. Having a few shocked faces in the background hardly counts.

Originally posted by: akui1984

And to be realistic, there are guys who resort to such shoving when they are angry. And Yash has been potrayed as having problems containing his anger during Palak birthday fiasco so his character is kinda consistent...The main thing that should be shown is that this kinda actions is not acceptable and the "victim" should not be shown as willing to accept such a treatment or even try to rationalise why she is at the receiving end of such treatment! I did not like that cause the message to the audience is wrong...but perhaps the creators just want to reflect how society is..there are gals who keep thinking it is their fault when they quarrel with their bf/husband or are treated badly by their bf/husband? I have friends who are like that seriously...



See I agree that Yash has a lot of personal demons. And I concede that anger is expressed like this in a lot of marriages (and other relationships), but like you said, to portray it as just another mundane aspect of marriage is wrong. There needs to be a light at the end of the tunnel. I get that Yash has a history of this.

But that's part of the problem isn't it? Its not like its an isolated incident that you can just brush off. His temper has been carefully written into his character. And he needs to show remorse. And not just the slightly "oh I'm sorry. I'll promise to do better." I want him to truly make an effort.

Originally posted by: Loveforlife

I don't think Mittals are supporting this kind of behaviour... if they were then we wouldn't have been condemning Yash's behaviour, but we are! we hate what he is doing to Aarti and that's the reaction CV's want from us!! In a marriage if one partner is angry and acting in a foul manner then the other partner has to be calm, otherwise matters can never be solved!! of course yash will realise his mistake and repent!! Have faith in the cv's guys!!



I do have faith in the writers. This is one of the most well-written shows I've seen on television. I just majorly doubt whether any of the subplots (any time soon) are going to involve Yash dealing with his anger. Yash's anger is portrayed as part of his character. Something others around him deal with. Just like they deal with G3's catty gutter talk, Bua's snide comments, and SP's dictatorial ways. And lets face it. He is his parent's son. He is just like them. And just like him he expects his transgressions to be glossed over. His attempts at apology are adorable, I admit, but there's something slightly glossy about them. Its like he expects, that at the slightlest overture on his part, his every mistake should be glossed over. No no. 😆 As Aarti will show him soon, its not that easy.

I concede that he is not horrible. But like someone else said (sorry, I forgot who), the Mittals can only cash in on GC's popularity to an extent. His character needs to have some redeeming quality other than his muscles, and the occasional football match with Ansh. I just hate that majority of serial watching audience buys into the whole, mean male lead, and a crying female lead, thing. I have a feeling that Mittals hate writing this stuff as much as we hate watching it. But they're afraid to go against the typical mold (maybe because it hasn't worked so well in the past). Props to them though, for writing his meanness into his character, instead of it seeming like he actually is the Hulk.

@aanyakunat:
See I don't expect him to be perfect. In fact in the very first episodes, when his OCD first popped up I was ecstatic. The CV's are continually revealing more and more of him, and its a very real portrayal. I do appreciate the way he has been written. On good days I even love the guy. What I don't like is the way everyone in his house and Aarti responds to his disrespectful behaviour. No one is perfect. I would hate him if he were. But there's a lot of grey area in between what he is now and "perfect".

While I agree that people in his house are afraid of him right now, I don't think that means they are nonsupporting of his behaviour. They enable him don't they? His parents should be the first ones to set him straight, but even they are wary of going near him. The fact that everyone is afraid should be reason for him to engage in a little introspection. Instead he gallops off to Arpita-land, and is quite content to leave his shocked family and children behind. That is what I don't like.



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Posted: 13 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: DMKJ_VB

NO offense to anyone, but I think we all are overreacting. I have given reasons why yash isn't an abuser, am suffering from fever now, so don't have the strength to list all of them again. Would say only this much that had he been an abuser by nature, he would have shoved aarti when she touched him yesterday again.

anyways, to say that hero is being turned into a villain is equivalent to juming to hasty ocnclusions, especially after yesterday's episode.
He was a lot cooler yesterday. He realized that he needed to control himself before his kids and he did that.
About the vrat, well, it was obvious that he wouldn't break her fast at the first instance.

Yash is a man who has both flaws and qualities, so is Aarti. Thats what makes the show interesting!



Oh I know I'm overreacting, just the tiniest bit 😆.
But I didn't say he's an abuser. I said he was a child. Which he is. Its disappointing. I wanted someone who would look after Aarti, after she spent years looking after herself, her first husband, then his family, and then her son. So it would've been nice. But yeah, that'll have to wait I guess.

He is cooling down. But that's what worrying me about his anger this time. He has had a cooling down period, but he still (upon reflection) thinks he is justified. Its a little shocking, and I really hope its more than an overheard phone conversation or a diary read that did this. I am waiting for a big shocker. Something that will make me remember why the hell Aarti fell in love with him. Something that will make me remember why I ever liked (okay, loved🤢) this overgrown child in the first place. Grrr ⭐️. Man, I am still so annoyed.
Edited by Charishma - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

. They had the guts to take their male lead to such a dark and gruesome place that we are all still reeling with the shock. But what I appreciate here, as opposed to most of the love stories on TV, is that it is so easy to show behaviour like this in a positive light, as hot and arrogant, but they did not go that way. You have enough forum experience to know how hard it is to get people to lift a finger against an attractive male lead; people usually expect the heroine to feel lucky that he loves her so much, it overflows in violent physical actions, and here we are unanimously throwing brick bats and rotten tomatoes at Yash's behaviour. Honestly, to my eyes, these CVs have achieved the impossible! 👏

If you listen to the latest interview with Sumeet Mittal, he is very clear on the fact that they are showing this as wrong, to show Yash's redemption because both fault and redemption are part of the story. This is the fault part and redemption will be all the more satisfying because they didn't scrimp on the fault or try to mask it as anything else. I mean, they could have easily shown a tortured Yash, battling his feelings, and all the romantics would have melted and sympathised. but they didn't. They first showed his behaviour from Aarti's perspective, which clarifies how irrational, unfair and thoroughly unromantic it is, before launching into the reason behind it. I applaud them for showing his erratic behaviour without the usual romance so we can see it for what it is, all kinds of crazy!



Totally on you with this part. I had echoed exactly similar sentiments 2-3 days back on another topic.Just copy pasting the relevant part:

You know perhaps the problem is that Yash's character and his dilemmas are so close to reality. Had he been a larger than life hero who insulted the heroine at every turn, forced married her,or promised to make her life hell, everyone would be bowled over with how cool the character is and anaslysing the complexity of his character,and guessing what makes him behave the way he does. He would never be blamed,his situations would.

But in case of Yash,he is an open book. Everyone knows the cause of his grief. So there is no mystery. It is deemed as annoying, even if its completely reasonable for the way Yash's character is etched. He is not used to insulting Aarti,and when he does its driven by something substantial,something which makes him act unlike himself. It happens with all of us...

But i am happy that PV makers have taken this route. They havent disguised this in garb of hotness and mock conflict. If pushing a lady is physically offensive,pulling her is even more so. But while former is seen as abominable,latter is seen as oh-so-hot.

Just hope Yash's realization and regret is just as realistic.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

That was quite a vent , Charishma and I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it! 😃

I completely agree on everything you said about Yash's character, but far from being a mistake, I think it is a testament to the CV's courage, that we are all reacting like this. They had the guts to take their male lead to such a dark and gruesome place that we are all still reeling with the shock. But what I appreciate here, as opposed to most of the love stories on TV, is that it is so easy to show behaviour like this in a positive light, as hot and arrogant, but they did not go that way. You have enough forum experience to know how hard it is to get people to lift a finger against an attractive male lead; people usually expect the heroine to feel lucky that he loves her so much, it overflows in violent physical actions, and here we are unanimously throwing brick bats and rotten tomatoes at Yash's behaviour. Honestly, to my eyes, these CVs have achieved the impossible! 👏

If you listen to the latest interview with Sumeet Mittal, he is very clear on the fact that they are showing this as wrong, to show Yash's redemption because both fault and redemption are part of the story. This is the fault part and redemption will be all the more satisfying because they didn't scrimp on the fault or try to mask it as anything else. I mean, they could have easily shown a tortured Yash, battling his feelings, and all the romantics would have melted and sympathised. but they didn't. They first showed his behaviour from Aarti's perspective, which clarifies how irrational, unfair and thoroughly unromantic it is, before launching into the reason behind it. I applaud them for showing his erratic behaviour without the usual romance so we can see it for what it is, all kinds of crazy!





I'm quite flattered that you enjoyed my vent 😆. I know it may not look like it, but I actually did censor ⭐️. I agree though. One thing I loved about all Yash's angry moments is that they are never portrayed in a romantic bent. None of that hand twisting with an aahhaaahhaaa la la la pyaaarrr theme song in the background. I love that about this show. I guess most people think I hate it cuz I complain so much. But like you already now, I'm just majorly disappointed in how they've handled Aarti's character development lately.

Yeah, I know my strings have been majorly pulled by the Cv's. Its a huge testament to their writing of how wound up I was for a while there. Well, you read my vent. So you know 😆😃.
I'm happy that they're taking Yash to all these dark places. Its just the vision of him physically pushing her, and with that look in his eye, its just 😭. I've never been okay with aggressive behaviour between married couples on tv and I hope the cv's deal with it soon. I know they want a slow build. But the more they push it off, and the more they gloss over it, the more it will be misinterpreted. But yes, they are portraying his anger quite honestly. I just hate the current equation between ArYa and their own individual outlooks right now.

You know how when you're little, and you eat a lot of something, and to get you to stop your mom tells you you're going to turn into the food you're eating? Like a giant banana or a french fry or something?? 😕 😆 I am genuinely living in fear that the next time I tune into PV Aarti will have actually turned into a doormat. I'm all for being respectful and understanding. But even when she takes a stand its for the family, or for Yash. She never thinks for herself. The coupled with the loss of freedoms, Yash's mistreatment, and her not caring because she's in love, I'm all .
This woman needs some R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Straight up. And she won't get it until she demands it.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: Charishma


@aanyakunat:
See I don't expect him to be perfect. In fact in the very first episodes, when his OCD first popped up I was ecstatic. The CV's are continually revealing more and more of him, and its a very real portrayal. I do appreciate the way he has been written. On good days I even love the guy. What I don't like is the way everyone in his house and Aarti responds to his disrespectful behaviour. No one is perfect. I would hate him if he were. But there's a lot of grey area in between what he is now and "perfect".

While I agree that people in his house are afraid of him right now, I don't think that means they are nonsupporting of his behaviour. They enable him don't they? His parents should be the first ones to set him straight, but even they are wary of going near him. The fact that everyone is afraid should be reason for him to engage in a little introspection. Instead he gallops off to Arpita-land, and is quite content to leave his shocked family and children behind. That is what I don't like.


@bold - i dont see it like that... u have to understand u and me are looking at yash's behavior from the perspective of an outsider... we can criticize him without fearing repercussions coz at the end of the day yash is just a fictional character... just because his family is not openly revolting against his behavior does not mean they are supporting him... i dont see any of them approving his behavior... but right now the priority is to understand what is troubling him... reprimanding him will only result in the guy going into a deeper shell...

@red - it's just been a couple of hours in PV land... after such a massive outburst, how is it realistic to expect him to already start introspection and understanding that he's wrong? he needs to calm down first... right now he's too wrapped up in his own anger to think clearly... which is not surprising for someone who has been in his own world since the time arpita died... but this time i have yet to see him go into 'arpitaland'... he hasn't mentioned and thought of arpita yet... his thoughts are on the supposed faux pas that aarti has committed... give him time... this is a daily soap... u cannot expect resolutions to happen in one episode...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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All take a chill pill and listen to Sumeet mittal's interview posted in the forum 😳
He said Yash is wrong and thats what CVs want to show .. a time will come when Yash will himself realise he is wrong and will repent big time which will b the beginning of his big transformation .. so wait for it to happen .. he dint say anything about how it will happen but he will realise it big time 😃
here u go

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