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Posted: 13 years ago
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Ansh is a kid and he has lots of lessons to learn, no doubt about that...but locking him in a dark room for a long period of time is definitely not the way to go about it in my opinion. But what was very alarming to me, was the intention of Madam Scindia. She was using the child to hit back at Aarti and to show her power over her DILs. She is failing to understand that this child has left all his familiar environment and that it will take him some time to adjust to his new home and his new family. I heard Yash say to the principal that it has only been a matter of a few days since they got married. It will take a lot more days than that for everyone to adjust. Payal and Palak have a lot less adjusting to do ...they are in their home where they know everyone... their daily routine has not changed much...therefore they will be a little better behaved. I really hope that they do not show much more of this type of scenes because it is clearly bordering on child abuse.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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The problem with Gayatri is that she does not like change.
Before Aarti and Ansh, the entire household was in Gayatri's control. However, now with a little shararti boy like Ansh, she is unable to discipline him and that is what is bothering her the most. Basically, locking him up was a breaking point for her -- all that anger was bottled up for too long. She just needed one more incident to burst.

Parenting comes with experience, and I feel Aarti should not always let everything go with the excuse "he's just a little kid." To Aarti, Ansh will always be her "little" boy. However, punishing a little kid to such a severe extent such as locking him up..cannot be justified either. 👎🏼 Locking a kid up = fear, and fear never translates into respect.

Ansh has too much energy. Aarti needs to get him involved in something that will divert this energy into good use. She should get him enrolled in sports, or music. Then, we will see what DAADI has to say about our Ansh.

At her old age, she should know that a "clap is made with 2 hands." Thus, something is happening b/w the 3 kids that is triggering these incidents.
Edited by -Vanshikaa- - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Children do require some punishment though. You're saying that one should never punish children, and that's also not right. I have taken developmental psychology and other such courses like that, and punishment is necessary in some cases while calm explanations are advised in others, but definitely punishment is required for a child's good upbringing.


What exactly is punishment though? i'm sure the answers will vary depending on who you ask. I ask because there are big differences between a) directly telling a child that something is wrong, b) giving them time outs, c) spanking them, and d) locking them in dark rooms. I don't consider the last option as a punishment, because it's child abuse. After all, Ansh did not learn that something was wrong based on Gayatri's actions, instead he learned how to be scared. There's a big difference.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: megustajalebi

What exactly is punishment though? i'm sure the answers will vary depending on who you ask. I ask because there are big differences between a) directly telling a child that something is wrong, b) giving them time outs, c) spanking them, and d) locking them in dark rooms. I don't consider the last option as a punishment, because it's child abuse. After all, Ansh did not learn that something was wrong based on Gayatri's actions, instead he learned how to be scared. There's a big difference.


totally agree

time outs and spank on the bum are punishments as a last resort if u ask me.. but locking them in a lock room! for real? that is WAY too much! and this is the problem with punishment: the outcome. What does the child learn. that the behavior or action he/she portrayed is wrong or simply how to fear the adult/person... i think when yash forgave him, ansh learned that he was wrong, because he did cause pain but i'm afraid that what gay3 did just undid the learning.. and i hope yash says something tomorrow..i
Edited by brainychild92 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I am a silent reader of this forum.i m watching punar vivah now a days..and i completely agree with Evasumi's post..Very well written evasumi.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Surma

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Nobody said we should not punish a child. But we need to consider the age for punishment .The age when he would be able to differentiate between good and bad or right and wrong. Ansh is not in that age. If Arti disciplined Ansh, will he be able to understand why his mother punished him ?No ! I don't think so. Instead of learning lesson, he will learn fear.

Actually, research has found that punishment is more effective in the younger years than older ones...when children are over 10 and you punish them, it teaches them to be rebellious, whereas when they're under 10, they are eager to learn so they improve their behavior. Also, when children are five years old, they begin to learn what is right or wrong, so this is the age when parents should most certainly not spoil their child, because it is their child's critical year to learn good and bad behavior.
Punishment, when it is given right, does not instill fear. I do not consider locking a child in a room to be punishment. It's child abuse and should never be done. For example, whenever my little brother, who is the same age as Ansh, misbehaves, we give him the silent treatment for about 30 minutes or tell him that he cannnot have any candy for the day because of what he did. Punishments like that teach children to change their ways and they don't instill fear. Giving kids the silent treatment for about 30 minutes - 1 hour has been found to be very effective, because children hate to be ignored. When they see that the elders around them are not talking to them, they realize that they have done something wrong and will apologize. This method works very well with my brother, and I think it would work with Ansh too, because generally he is a very sweet boy and would be very well-behaved if he learned to respect his elders.
Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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One thing beats me though! why r people so unfeeling towards the poor girls? I think none of the three kids are at fault!
I said this becoz i find everywhere ppl complaining about Payal and Palak.yes they acted bitchy, they complained to their grandmom twice, they didn't feel repentent when ansh was locked.but hello ppl.r we forgetting that Ansh did not feel any repentence either after hurting Yash. Not only that, he was convinced that what he did was roght and that he shouldn't say sorry when aarti told him to apologize, he did not apologize to yash out of repentence, he did it becoz aarti forced him to..and no,its not that he did not want to say sorry becoz he wwas scared of gayatri.remember when Aarti pulled him out from the kitchen, he started shouting right from there..he even said "nahin, main sorry nahin bolunga!"
Please don't get me wrong. I love Ansh. I hate Gayatri for what she did! But I hv a problem when people say that Ansh is absolutely well mannered while Palak Payal r devils, etc etc!
For me, Ansh's did what he did becoz he is a kid. He felt insecured and hence stuck that pin.He felt no remorse because he is not in that age , for him what mattered was that he had been able to stop his Naye Papa from kissing his mom!
Similarly, Payal and Palak are also kids. They felt no remorse becoz for them Ansh was the person who caused pain to the one person they love most in the world.
Yes, they r manipulative.so was Ansh, when he told aarti to get the car so that he got an opportunity to do sm mischief.
Payal Palak resent Ansh and Aarti becoz they hv been fed crap from Bua ji and Gayatri.its not right to call them devil, snobs, etc etc!
True,, they r in need of proper guidance..but so does Ansh.
Ansh needs to learn some discipline.
Payal-Palak need to learn manners.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thank you every one for putting very constructive thoughts on the thread..
Going through all of them I have conclude that we all think that Gayatri was totally wrong with her motives to punish Ansh out of his capacity and traumatize the 5 year child with this severe punishment.
Her concept of teaching the child at this age and making him realize his mistake was right but her motive in taking this severe action was not right..
now coming to Aarti and her upbrining of Ansh...
She has pretty much done the good job but it has little flaws in that she did not discipline the child properly..
Yes she did says that Ansh did your mom teach you this way? or she says Ansh we cannot do this things..
but Ansh repeatedly does the same thing so it means that she did not put little bit more pressure to let him learn those things..
Also everytime Ansh listens to her only when she says Ansh we cannot do this or Ansh do not do this then only Ansh does what his mom says. But he does not find it in himself that he is doing something wrong.
Yes I am a mother too and I also agree that to train your child with good etiquettes you need to train them when they are young. Yes Ansh is a boy and pretty headstrong and he needs to be taught the proper etiquettes at this age itself.
As a mother I would never allow my son to speak out of his turn to any elders. I do not speak against them and my son would not do it either.
Now take the incident they showed in the begining.. When Pratik went to their house and Aarti came out with a hockey stick and was being rude to Pratick. And the way she was telling Pratik Ansh exactly repeated those words after her and at that time or later Aarti did not say a word to him that he cannot do that...
Many times they have shown that Ansh was out of his line but at the same time they did not show that Aarti or Shobha tought him something.. telling a child not to do this and never make him understand why he cannot do it that way is not going to help the child as he would never realize that something he is doing is totaly wrong and he simply cannot do it. At that time only a child need to learn in a nice way that he cannot speak like that or he cannot behave like that as those behavior does not come in the "good category" and as he is good boy he cannot do that and he has to keep that "good boy" image if he wants his new dad or if he wants his momy to smile or be proud of him or many other things a 5 year kid would want...
Yes when Ansh does something Aarti asks him... did your mother teach you that way??? now if you really taught him such stuff then why would your child repeat it all the time. and if your child repeats it then you need to be more strict and teach him those stuff again..
Yes Ansh is just a kid but he has reached the age where he needs to know what he is doing right or wrong..
Yes the kid is possessive of his mom and does not want his new dad to kiss his mom... understandable but the way he went about to put that pin on the sofa so that his new dad will stay away from his mom was horrible. It was really dangerous and he needed to be taught a good lesson on that.
Dragging him to the family room and making him asking forgiveness was not enough. He needed to make understand what he did wrong. Yes Aarti just told him in the dining room what he did wrong and what Yash had to go through but that speech was not meant for 5 year old kid it was just a dialogues for an audience.
From that speech and his mother dragging to the family room... the kid only understood that he is going to get punishment from that "fat dadi" . He was not repentant of his deeds but was only worried that now that "fat dadi" who does not like me will add another mistake in the list and punish..
and exactly the same thing happen...
Aarti should have waited to make him understand what he did wrong in private and then let him go by himself to his new papa first asking the forgiveness...
Dragining him to the family room in her righteous mood was not the right thing.. The child did not learn anything from that but only had a feeling that his mother is doing wrong draggin him in front of all. He was trying to save himself and once Yash forgave him he was ok and started smiling..
Also he said that new papa has forgiven him so it was ok but out of it he learned nothing..
So though I do believe in Aarti's process of dealing with the child but she still needs to bring that element of discipline in her training..
and I absolutely do not believe in the method of Gayatri... Her concepts are ok but her methods has no connection with her concept
as she is very judgmental and forgets the line between right training and prejudice.
I rather like Pa Schindhia who knows what he is doing and puts the pressure on the rightime and with right attitude as he is not judgmental at all. When he needed to tell Aarti that she needs to adapt with the ways of Scindhia he told her in a light manner with the example Aarti quoted and with the right pressure as the head of the house without any prejudice or malice..
Where as Gayatri has no brain to think anything rationally so she just gets instigated even by 4-5 years old kid... earlier also we have seen her she was being swayed by buvaji and by many those ladies who comes to visit.
That is why even though she has a great status of being the mother of three great sons and a wife of a great husband but she does not have that respects from her children and none from her husband.
As she loves to float in vain glory and not confess her flaws and hides behind falls attitude. Even the servant of the house makes fun of her forgetfulness as she never confesses that she has that flaw..
It is said it is better to have a smart foe then a foolish friend.
So I would love to be chided by Pa Scindhia and learn from him but I would stay away from Gayatri as she is a fool and does not know what she is doing.. Even the smart mouth Parhidhi makes a fool of her in front of all her children and she never could realize that.
Now Paridhi would not dare to pull that trick with Pa Scindhia.. as he will cut her tirade in the middle and give his verdict with a sincere and grave voice and also tell her that he expects her to follow it..
Edited by evasumi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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DMKJ...
totaly agree with you.. about Payal and Palak and their attitude..
Infact Palak realized that they did something wrong with Ansh by complaining to dadi and that is why he was punished.. and they were also afraid of their new mom about her reaction as they have seen their dadima taking the revange...
But Ansh did not realized the graveness of what he did to Yash. Everytime he apolizes only because Aarti tells him to do and he does it because his mother says to..
Only when he came to say thank you for the gun he came by himself and then added a sorry for being rude.
So Ansh says Thank you easily but he does not want to say sorry as he does not like to get punishment in front of Payal and Palak who always makes faces at him..
Now payal being younger has no problem but it is always Palak who is the leader to make matter worse. as she is older and observes Gayatri's behavior with Ansh and picks up from their... even that bua of Yash trained Palak to be rude to Ansh and Aarti and that has taken root in her heart deeply.
Aarti needs to work hard to remove those bitter root from Palak as Payal is much more innocent of two..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: DMKJ_VB

One thing beats me though! why r people so unfeeling towards the poor girls? I think none of the three kids are at fault!

I said this becoz i find everywhere ppl complaining about Payal and Palak.yes they acted bitchy, they complained to their grandmom twice, they didn't feel repentent when ansh was locked.but hello ppl.r we forgetting that Ansh did not feel any repentence either after hurting Yash. Not only that, he was convinced that what he did was roght and that he shouldn't say sorry when aarti told him to apologize, he did not apologize to yash out of repentence, he did it becoz aarti forced him to..and no,its not that he did not want to say sorry becoz he wwas scared of gayatri.remember when Aarti pulled him out from the kitchen, he started shouting right from there..he even said "nahin, main sorry nahin bolunga!"
Please don't get me wrong. I love Ansh. I hate Gayatri for what she did! But I hv a problem when people say that Ansh is absolutely well mannered while Palak Payal r devils, etc etc!
For me, Ansh's did what he did becoz he is a kid. He felt insecured and hence stuck that pin.He felt no remorse because he is not in that age , for him what mattered was that he had been able to stop his Naye Papa from kissing his mom!
Similarly, Payal and Palak are also kids. They felt no remorse becoz for them Ansh was the person who caused pain to the one person they love most in the world.
Yes, they r manipulative.so was Ansh, when he told aarti to get the car so that he got an opportunity to do sm mischief.
Payal Palak resent Ansh and Aarti becoz they hv been fed crap from Bua ji and Gayatri.its not right to call them devil, snobs, etc etc!
True,, they r in need of proper guidance..but so does Ansh.
Ansh needs to learn some discipline.
Payal-Palak need to learn manners.

Yes Ria, I agree with you!
It seems that people in this forum are so biased towards Ansh because of his cuteness that they fail to see his failings or Aarti's faults as a parent, whereas they do not seem to like Payal or Palak that much because of the few times they acted out of line. Every misbehavior by Ansh is apparently okay, because "kids behave like that", but whenever Payal or Palak misbehave, it's suddenly a horrid thing and they are horrible children.😕 I don't get this bias...is it that we Indians, so used to living in a male-dominated society, tend to favor boys over girls even in TV shows, and forgive boys their mistakes more than girls? I hope that's not true, because Payal and Palak are no worse than Ansh.
It's true that Payal and Palak need to learn manners, but they do have discipline. Had they not been instigated against Aarti by Gayatri and Bua before the marriage, I think they would have been a lot friendlier towards their stepmom and stepbrother, but they feel insecure, and naturally when Ansh hurt their father, they felt defensive and angry. Any child would at that age. Heck, I probably would too if I was in their position. We saw from previous episodes that they are slowly warming up to Aarti because of her warm and loving manner, and it may take some time, but if Ansh also behaves right with them, I don't see any reason why they would act manner-less.
Anyway, I just want to make a point that if Ansh is not at fault for his misbehavior, then neither are PayPal. All three are children after all, even if PayPal may be a few years older.

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