Originally posted by: tanthya
I agree and even I said that it has to do with his upbringing BUT his lack of education takes away the chance from him to realize the fact that women and men are EQUALS!!!
Like u said, there are many educated men who see women inferior to men, but I believe there are also many educated men who treat women fairly and equally! Why do u think they do so? Bcoz they know that women have their rights and they choose to treat them equally! Just coz one is educated doesnt mean they become the PERFECT humans!!! BUT some can atleast come close to being perfect! Likewise, IF Krishna was educated, maybe his upbringing would still have made him treat women as inferior beings but MAYBE, just MAYBE, he would NOT have treated women as toys or tied cows or paan or pair ki joothi!
C'mon, why would women have NY reason to FIGHT IF men were not treating them like ANIMALS or inferiors??? And yes, BCOZ there are women who accept the abuse silently, there are still eave-teasing and women abuse among many parts of the world!!!
I think the damage becomes greater coz, its NOT just the MEN they have to fight against! Its fellow WOMEN who r also against their rebellion towards men that makes it HARDER and causes greater damage to the women who dare to stand up for themselves - be it aggressive or tactical and strategic!!!
Good !! have you read about suffragettes movement ....it was fought for equality for women..and the movement started from 1866-67 [ have forgotten the exact period 😳] and lasted until 1916-17 ... a fascinating fight for woman's right to vote, .for equality .....it happened in England...and many men supported it too.... and many women opposed it !!
the woman who fought were imprisoned, raped,molested , the women who were doing hunger strike were forcibly fed..children were separated , some were branded prostitutes,many were flogged..quite fascinating ...it shows what woman can do if they band together and also how woman is her own enemy..when u find time ..read it ...
Many educated men have read about equality to woman, Many men have read that Woman are the goddess who shud be worshipped, for she is the only individual who holds life in her womb, a soul capable of producing life ..Many Men have grown up with the dictum "All women except ur wife is ur sister or Mother" has it stopped them from ogling ? only a tiny percentage [educated or uneducated] have considered women to be on par with them ...and even tinier percentage consider women to be superior to men and to a large percentage, including educated Men..A woman is a maid,cook, Trophy and a vessel for their progeny..
May be, I am being an optimist here, or may be, I lack the worldly knowledge that Prof.Shyam talked about!!!😆 BUT, I'd still like to believe that the percentage of men who consider women as equals, is not as tiny as u mentioned!!! Coz, if it were that little, dont u think it wont be noticeable at all? BUT, even in this forum, when I was soo frustrated to think that MOST men are like Krishna, I've heard of men/husbands that are soo sweet and treat women/wives fairly!!! And I do agree that there r still men - educated or not - who think of women as u mentioned BUT, becoz the change IS visible, I sure hope that the men who treats women properly outnumbers the men who dont!!!😊
Yeah! Will read that definitely, when I have got loads of free time!!! Thanx for the information!😃
If she were educated, she would KNOW about her rights and would have the confidence to stand up for herself!!!
Being educated and knowing her rights will not automatically mean standing for herself..there will be many mitigating factors that has to be taken into consideration..first , is she financially independent,does she have kids,IS she mentally strong enough to live alone...sometimes women become addicted to abusive relationships too and crave it !!
TRUE again! BUT, being educated IS a START!!! It makes her THINK, UNLIKE without being educated, when she THINKS that being abused by husband and in-laws is a MATTER-OF-FACT and bad-luck!!!
All those other factors are very important as well! BUT, just coz those factors are NOT available, does that mean she has no other choice but to die being abused?
Being Knowledgeable and worldly wise and above all interaction with those factors beyond her domain will make her think, for when you are educated..you have the fear of getting indoctrinated to a set beliefs and ur thinking will confine itself within this set...you can try and try but this beliefs will not let go..the same way we [you and I ] are squabbling over our set of beliefs and neither one of us willing to let go ..😊
I dont agree that education confines one's beliefs and makes it limited! The underlined statement sounds sooo hopeless! IF not TRY, what can they do to let go of those beliefs - suffer till death???
Lolzzz... I dont think its the same way!!! Its not like I am not letting go! I was actually trying to see from ur POV and I succeeded in some points but failed about other points! And if it gives u ny hope, then I'll gladly let it go!!!😉😆
A susheel, polite and sanskaari person can very much be an idiot - I dont see how one being susheel and polite is related to him being a stupid???😕
We are talking education...Education teaches us etiquette ..!!😃
Ummm... Yes, education teaches us etiquette and I think the Saxenas dont lack etiquette and the Thakurs who r NOT educated DO! MY point was, how does having etiquette relate to one being stupid??? COZ, even though the Saxenas r educated and have etiquette, sometimes they act really stupid and have no self-confidence at all - but those are two different things, arent they?😕 Lacking self-confidence makes them less smart and lacking common-sense makes them stupid - does NOT make them ny less educated, does it?😕
we might consider their action's stupid, the saxena's consider it logical... I think they have self confidence , it is hobbled by their excessive anxiety to society's reaction ...yes ! they do lack common sense..don't they ..😃😕
Lolzzz... Exactly! To us viewers, their some of their actions are stupid but we can not truly understand his LOGIC, coz we r not in his shoes!!!😛
I am sincerely gonna ask u one favor - if its not too much trouble for u, can u plz tell me what is the definition of education? Would like to know ur POV on it,😊! Am off to check it on dictionary.com, coz SERIOUSLY, ever since I came upon Education-attacks on the Saxenas, I wanted to know the EXACT definition of it but was too lazy to bother! BUT, now am way too curious to just put it aside!!!😆
Ruhi, I am sincerely going to give my answer. I am searching and am still searching....😉..
The definition for Education keeps on changing ...there is no one definitive definition...that can be taken out dusted and quoted back or can be said THIS and ONLY THIS defines Education and I don't know whether there will ever be a definition for education...
Can education be confined within a defintion ??
LOVED and AGREE with the underlined statement/question! I guess NOT!!! Lolzzz.. I actually went to dictionary.com to see the definition but wont bore u with it here!😉😆 It was nice discussing with u! Am gonna let go now, hoping u will have some hope that NOT all TRIES/ATTEMPTS go UNNOTICED or r UNSUCCESSFUL!!!😃