Education - IS it a Mighty tool - Page 3

Originally posted by: Binny1247

I don't think the show is just about education but it is an important factor and the way the CV's have portrayed an educated middle class family is truly pathetic. I highly doubt that being educated means you tolerate the behaviors and wrongdoing's of others towards you. Being educated means knowing when to keep quiet, and when it becomes necessary to raise your voice against injustice it requires common sense which prats family seems to be lacking. Also why is it that they only look at issues from a certain POV, an educated individual looks at all of the outcomes of an action before reacting to situations another flaw in their portrayal of an educated family, only prats seems to be capable of fighting for her rights while her family seems to be useless.

Binny ,

One of the pitfalls of being educated is just that ...you instinctively shy away from confrontation, Unless you are aggressive ....Education depicts aggression as a uncool thing...and also it gives us an heightened sense of ourselves...most of the time , we let ppl take advantage of us..cos we feel that other ppl may judge us harshly...Education conditions ur social behavior...we are so engrossed in looking at all points of view that our hesitancy comes across as cowardice ....

Originally posted by: tanthya

Binny ,

One of the pitfalls of being educated is just that ...you instinctively shy away from confrontation, Unless you are aggressive ....Education depicts aggression as a uncool thing...and also it gives us an heightened sense of ourselves...most of the time , we let ppl take advantage of us..cos we feel that other ppl may judge us harshly...Education conditions ur social behavior...we are so engrossed in looking at all points of view that our hesitancy comes across as cowardice ....

Formal education in schools conditions our thinking that one must play by society's rules. Etiquette in one society is not always recognized or appreciated in others. Take for example using fingers to eat. In Eastern culture it's normal and acceptable. In western culture utensils are the acceptable way of eating except in case of finger food and pizza, sandwich, etc. So who gets to decide what is right and wrong? I always question society's definition of "NORMAL" and "RIGHT". It's all in the perception. What is normal to some people based on their personality, culture, environment,etc. is not normal to others. Receiving a certificate after spending four years with like minded people who believe getting a college education doesn't automatically make someone more knowledgable or wise to the world. Our life's experiences shapes our personalities which is constantly evolving. True knowledge begets humility. Acceptance differences are equally important as accepting commonality, for opposite do sometimes attract and reveal to us what we need to learn to grow..

Originally posted by: tanthya

Hello Ruhi ,

Nice to c u here !!😃

Oh dear...You mean somebody has already started and completed this journey..and here I was cherishing a fond hope that I will embark on this arduous journey and cover myself with fame and glory !!😆

😆 NOT just somebody! I think, lots of viewers have pin-pointed MOST of the Saxenas' flaws on education! U chouldnt have missed it, 😕😲!😆

Oh, u r already BHERY FAMOUSH and GLORIFIED for ur HILARIOUS Pre-caps!!!⭐️

Well, for me - YES, education is as much a part of this show as is the eave-teasing and women abuse shown in it!!!

I would not say Women abuse..I would just say ABUSE cos adarsh too is getting equally abused ...in fact if there are any abuses going on then I must say it is hubby abuse leaving Kesar aside..and Amma always ignores SS words despite getting early warning

SURE!!! Call it ABUSE but I cant really bring myself to compare Shakti and SS abusing Kesar and Amma with Komal abusing Adarsh!😆 And u say EQUALLY abused - as in Adarsh and Kesar and Amma?😕 Hubby abuse - maybe I am being a feminist so, compared to Krishna choking and slapping Pratigya, I fail to see how Krishna is abused! If u mean emotional abuse, then also, its not JUST hubby abuse but wife-y abuse as well coz, BOTH hurt each other emotionally, but Pratigya is being hurt and abused physically as well, so in my POV, its more of a women abuse!

Krishna & Komal believes that Money and Power is MORE important than education and as a result, they make a fool out of themselves in front of educated people who dont understand or know about their BG or upbringing!!!

Limits, I disagree with you ....Educated PPL also consider MONEY and POWER to be more important...if not they would not be going in search of well paying jobs nor try to establish a connection, sucking up to well connected PPL...In today's world Limitswa...POWER , MONEY AND EDUCATION are Important...Bill gates was not educated but he still went and become a success and how do we measure his success , by his Bank Balance ..and not by his education, for if education were a criteria..then Bill gates is a failure...

TRUE!!! I dont know IF ALL educated people consider MONEY as MORE important, but I agree, education, money and power are all important in today's world!!!

Talking about Bill Gates, now dont laugh at me, but I actually googled him and read a bit about him on wikipedia (😳)and unless the info there is wrong, Bill Gates was an educated guy and a very intelligent one in that case!!! So, dont know where u came to know that he was uneducated! It actually surprised me coz ALL that I knew about him is that he is a computer genius and is filthy rich! So, didnt really understand how an uneducated guy can become a computer genius and had to google it to satisfy my curiosity!!!😆

Back to my POINT, I think the Saxenas are NOT the type of educated bunch who thinks MONEY and POWER are MORE important than EDUCATION!!! I was talking about HOW Krishna and Komal think that EDUCATION is USELESS when they have the MONEY and POWER! And that is the effect of their LACK of education!!! Krishna believes in superstitious and is easily fooled - bcoz of his lack of education! Komal thinks that all a wife needs is a husbands love - as if, a woman/wife is not allowed to have her own dreams and wishes - thats her lack of education!

Krishna believes men are superior than women - bcoz of his upbringing - TRUE, but also coz he is uneducated and never had the knowledge that they r NOT living in the 16th century and in the current century, men and women are treated as equals!!

Ruhi, I have news for U ..Krishna believing that Women are inferior has not got anything to do with his lack of education...rather it how Indian society is conditioned ...I have seen Many educated men..many doctorates who can talk about the latest technological advances , who work in the highest cadre considering women as inferior and they don't see it as an abnormality..it has been so..it will be so..is their way of thinking...They have kept pace with technological advancement but their thinking is still rooted in 16 the century but why shud I blame Men for that, we women too silently accept this secondary treatment , don't we ...and we do more damage to our cause by going all out aggressive instead of fighting tactically and strategically

I agree and even I said that it has to do with his upbringing BUT his lack of education takes away the chance from him to realize the fact that women and men are EQUALS!!!

Like u said, there are many educated men who see women inferior to men, but I believe there are also many educated men who treat women fairly and equally! Why do u think they do so? Bcoz they know that women have their rights and they choose to treat them equally! Just coz one is educated doesnt mean they become the PERFECT humans!!! BUT some can atleast come close to being perfect! Likewise, IF Krishna was educated, maybe his upbringing would still have made him treat women as inferior beings but MAYBE, just MAYBE, he would NOT have treated women as toys or tied cows or paan or pair ki joothi!

C'mon, why would women have NY reason to FIGHT IF men were not treating them like ANIMALS or inferiors??? And yes, BCOZ there are women who accept the abuse silently, there are still eave-teasing and women abuse among many parts of the world!!!

I think the damage becomes greater coz, its NOT just the MEN they have to fight against! Its fellow WOMEN who r also against their rebellion towards men that makes it HARDER and causes greater damage to the women who dare to stand up for themselves - be it aggressive or tactical and strategic!!!

If she were educated, she would KNOW about her rights and would have the confidence to stand up for herself!!!

Being educated and knowing her rights will not automatically mean standing for herself..there will be many mitigating factors that has to be taken into consideration..first , is she financially independent,does she have kids,IS she mentally strong enough to live alone...sometimes women become addicted to abusive relationships too and crave it !!

TRUE again! BUT, being educated IS a START!!! It makes her THINK, UNLIKE without being educated, when she THINKS that being abused by husband and in-laws is a MATTER-OF-FACT and bad-luck!!!

All those other factors are very important as well! BUT, just coz those factors are NOT available, does that mean she has no other choice but to die being abused?


A susheel, polite and sanskaari person can very much be an idiot - I dont see how one being susheel and polite is related to him being a stupid???

We are talking education...Education teaches us etiquette ..!!😃

Ummm... Yes, education teaches us etiquette and I think the Saxenas dont lack etiquette and the Thakurs who r NOT educated DO! MY point was, how does having etiquette relate to one being stupid??? COZ, even though the Saxenas r educated and have etiquette, sometimes they act really stupid and have no self-confidence at all - but those are two different things, arent they?😕 Lacking self-confidence makes them less smart and lacking common-sense makes them stupid - does NOT make them ny less educated, does it?😕

And, educated people can ALSO be stupid sometimes, cant they? Before I came to this forum, I dint know that a persons' education is to blame for his/her's stupidity!😆 AND, I think, a person can be illiterate but still have common-sense - so, I dont think having common-sense has got nything to do with being educated!!! OR, May be, I dont know the exact definition of EDUCATION after all!!!😆

👍🏼 😆

I am sincerely gonna ask u one favor - if its not too much trouble for u, can u plz tell me what is the definition of education? Would like to know ur POV on it,😊! Am off to check it on dictionary.com, coz SERIOUSLY, ever since I came upon Education-attacks on the Saxenas, I wanted to know the EXACT definition of it but was too lazy to bother! BUT, now am way too curious to just put it aside!!!😆

saathya,

Limitji I just want to say thankyou for a point of view that is an eye opener to me to have bashed sax for being educated yet I termed them as uneducated. The differencs between education and use of common sense in the context of this story is suparbly explained by you, again my hat is off for you limitji.

SURE!!! Call it ABUSE but I cant really bring myself to compare Shakti and SS abusing Kesar and Amma with Komal abusing Adarsh!😆 And u say EQUALLY abused - as in Adarsh and Kesar and Amma?😕 Hubby abuse - maybe I am being a feminist so, compared to Krishna choking and slapping Pratigya, I fail to see how Krishna is abused! If u mean emotional abuse, then also, its not JUST hubby abuse but wife-y abuse as well coz, BOTH hurt each other emotionally, but Pratigya is being hurt and abused physically as well, so in my POV, its more of a women abuse!

You definitely can't equate Amma/kesar's Abuse with KOmal's Abuse of Adarsh..Amma has grown up thinking that a hubby beating wife is to be expected, A man will beat a woman only when he considers her as his own ..and if he doesn't beat her, then he doesn't care for her...This is Amma's thinking...So I dare say Amma will be worried if SS stops beating... As I had said earlier there are women who crave this abuse, for them this is their security blanket that the Man cares for her enough to hurt her..

As for Kesar, I am presuming [since her maika was never shown] that she has grown up watching this and although she knows it is wrong , years of watching it happen has bred submissiveness and has resigned herself to her fate...You say Krishna has choked,strangled..I would say Krishna did this in anger..as soon as Pratigya says that it is hurting her...he lets her go..whereas a true blue abuser on hearing such sweet words will derive enormous pleasure and strengthen his hold or continue strangling till she passes out..and the abuse is not one sided too..Pratigya too has abused Krishna..Krishna has taken it quietly too...

Originally posted by: Padma55

Here so called educated are not behaving like educated in writers story line. It is not their real behaviour but story writers imagination.

May be he is just a khoka.....trying to fill daily quota

That is what every one of us are griping about.....the story writer must visit a Middle class home and take their inputs...


what is Khoka ??

Originally posted by: nisha2010

anyday......pen is mightier than d sword...............

Nisha,

Sometimes the Pen too is effectively gagged or the pen runs out of ink..

Originally posted by: tanthya

Nisha,

Sometimes the Pen too is effectively gagged or the pen runs out of ink..

sorry i have to differ here...................only when all pious and justified modes have failed then rising of sword is pious and just................