Stupid bytes - Page 11

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

I think English shows have so many plots that characters can go missing for days. Like Hollyoaks or Eastenders...! Even Australian shows have so many sub-plots that characters can go missing for weeks, months sometimes. American shows have seasons. Our Indian shows go on forever and are mostly reliant on the lead pair. I seriously hate watching BDs myself but then I have to be practical and accept that out of the 30 days in a month the main leads work at least 12 hours a day for 6 days a week...a lot of the time 7 days. It takes a toll on them and they don't have the benefit of seasonal breaks either.

Originally posted by: -Ivy-

Hey Kat! 😳

Body doubles are used when actors are not there... Most of the time, it is Jennifer whose not there with her penchant for taking vacations and such. Regarding 'hideous body doubles' sometimes when adequate notice is not given, the usual body-double is unavailable, and other stand-in's have to be sourced. Sometimes other cast members are used as well, for economical purposes... The camera angles can be adjusted so that the game is not given away. Shiny has stood in for Jennifer a few times now... Notice it when Kumud & Kusum are dressed and made up in the same way so that one can be mistaken for the other, from a reasonable distance.

But television show mein yeh sab kaun notice karta hai, it is just us 'mavericks' who debate and discuss about all these things 😉

Originally posted by: -Ivy-

Arshi, G'morning! 😃

Good morning Ivy and happy Sunday, mine has started

So, after discussions with Shrija yesterday, I watched that sequence... The only one in almost two weeks that I watched outta my own curiousity 😆 And... I did not like it 😳

It started off great, the blurring and use of close-up to internalize Saras, but the fact that it was shot separately and the editing plus the female voice-over totally messed it up. Add to that the overall treatment, it was a 'dismiss' Arshi, I watched it thrice and it barely registered on me save for that one brilliant split-second of GR magic at around the 9:32 mark (meri wajah se...) The voice modulation, the involuntary clenching of the railing betraying his helplessness and control, almost like he wanted to jump, cross the middle-ground and 'erase' the distance between them 👏... But she stops him with a 'Nahin, Saras...' Almost verbally showing him the hand, telling him not to trespass the middle-ground, bringing Pramad in once more.

The Kumud voice-over was so mechanical, so 'clinical', no tone variance, no emotional alignment with expressions, compared to the male once, it came as off as 'amateur' lacking heart and affect... Something which Kumud too 'lacks' at the moment, but if that was the intent for choosing that execution, it was a directorial blunder because GR played his part almost too perfectly well... And the difference between the two actors shone out most starkly.

this is why the scene bothered me, Ivy, that even in a moment like this, where, like the Shradh scene it could have been about the two of them, it was made to be about Kumud and pramaad!

It was such a perfect opportunity - the terrace of their love mandir - the place where they met and fell in love, - their placement recreated the scene

And instead of telepathy being used to share Kumud's inner pain and turmoil,

It was about pramaad and Kumud, and Saras was locked out, the scene didn't work for me at all

Now with your explanation I know why it feels wrong.

It would have been excellent had a spent a few moments just for each other!

Also, notice how Saras is filmed in low-angles... It makes him appear almost intimidating and threatening... That is the intent... To show Saras 'as a threat' to Kumud's marriage and marital happiness from now on. The seeds for the 'slap' are slowly being scattered... But with clumsy hands, where finesse and panache would have been appreciated, and was expected.

I would not compare it to the Arnav-Khushi convo (am in no position to), but the same mise-en-scene ('Arnav-Khushi template') was still used... However, there is only so much AK can do with present limitations. There was no SRS/ playing off... There was no eyeline match... It wasn't allowed to 'breathe', to permeate into consciousness... Even the FB seemed crudely and cruelly placed.. Witness how in that Arnav-Khushi sequence, a same sorta FB parallelism was used? But here it did not work. Not for me, not at all 👎🏼

Isn't it AK's job though to make it work? Wouldn't he have conceptualized this scene, decided which fb to use and wasn't it just a wrong selection of setting and bad direction then if the purpose was just to convey that Kumud has no thoughts of Saras anymore.

Why recreate a romance setting for such a clinically dismissive scene ?

There was 'ehsaas' though on Saras' part when he first feels Kumud is there and swiftly shifts directions... She, for her part only notices him when his (let's assume) 'gaze' is upon her. Shows how far Kumud has gone, from Saras... The fact that they are on different 'planes' is very telling too. Another foreshadowing of the 'break'.

P.S. Expect Mon/Tues epi to be mightily effed up as well with use of body doubles, separate shots, dissonant voice-overs (if used) since J's took off again

once again, itni chuttiyan?

Originally posted by: Arshics

Ivy, ek sawaal aur, are voice overs added as an afterthought, sometimes?

During editing for clarity or something?

Because so many times you hear the VO, in a voice that is not the actors own, as if it was added on later and the actor was not around then so a substitute was used.

Two, itni chuttiyan?

Originally posted by: -Ivy-

Yes Arshi, they are sometimes added in as after-thought in the post-production stage when it is felt that the scene needs an 'aid' for purposes of clarity and for deeper characterization purposes - mostly to 'spoonfeed' audiences. Also, it could be that a voice-over was already done in the actors voice, but at the editing/sound-mixing stage, there was a need for it to be changed, maybe some words, maybe the tone was not 'aligning' etc and thus a re-recording is done, often with substitutes.

But, for a scene like this one with Saras - Kumud, where the voice-over was the 'connect' of the sequence, thus at the forefront to be scrutinised, you would expect particular attention to be paid to it. It was really badly done, Arshi. And because it was the highpoint for the two minute scene, everything relied on that to 'flow', the failure becomes all the more obvious.

Originally posted by: Arshics

Originally posted by: Infofan

I thought they were using her body doubles quite often in the past weeks as well. Infact these days, I am pleasantly surprised when I see her and the rest of the cast members in one frame.

I thought she just took some time off last month. Its good for her that her contract allows her to take frequent short breaks to relax and recharge.

Body doubles are also used to stand in if the actor is tired after shooting long hours and may even be present on the set at that time.

I wish they had used a body double for the PMS. With various camera angles and lighting, we might have seen a bit more than genda phool😆 😉