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Posted: 12 years ago
#81
I haven't seen much of IPK but I think Saras and Kumud's telepathic talks aren't limited to their love, it's more of their inner turmoil. This wasn't the only scene where they had a telepathic conversation.

Couple of episodes ago when BD told Kumud she has to go to her maternal house for Navratri - Saras completed what Kumud was thinking.

Also, isn't this something which is put in at screenplay stage not direction? So I don't think Arshad drew parallels or anything. It's that soul bond between Saras and Kumud.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#82
Arshi never saw ipk but here it did give me a feeling of oneness for them as they can talk to each other without speaking .Where one speaks and other complete the sentence all through telepathy, this was not first time , they did it before too.


Here they did remember their old times and then realised how things have changed.,we accept it or not pramad is and in future will be the first priority to kumud just the way before it is here bapu and his izzat

Saras is all about herself her soul which she often keeps aside when it comes to duty to family .She will always take Saras for granted just the way she does take herself for granted with pramad

But a time will come when she will break when she will realise that she has been sidelining her ownself that is saras just for nothing , when she will know pramad real face and then will be the time of her real breakdown
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Posted: 12 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: shana0127

Arshi never saw ipk but here it did give me a feeling of oneness for them as they can talk to each other without speaking .Where one speaks and other complete the sentence all through telepathy, this was not first time , they did it before too.


Here they did remember their old times and then realised how things have changed.,we accept it or not pramad is and in future will be the first priority to kumud just the way before it is here bapu and his izzat

Saras is all about herself her soul which she often keeps aside when it comes to duty to family .She will always take Saras for granted just the way she does take herself for granted with pramad

But a time will come when she will break when she will realise that she has been sidelining her ownself that is saras just for nothing , when she will know pramad real face and then will be the time of her real breakdown


Shana, Reemz, I accept her sense of duty, and her need to put pramaad first.


Par kabhi kabhi kahin toh ek kasak dikha de

Saras ke armaanon pe thoda taras dikha de

Apne pyaar ko nahi maanti, na sahi

Saras ke pyaar ki thodi toh qadar dikha de
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Posted: 12 years ago
#84
I think we cannot expect anything from Kumud towards Saras. She is on the right track. She is trying to move towards Pramad mentally. Fair and consistent with what she wants.
She still holds Saras with respect but that will go down a bit in the coming week.
What is not consistent with her character is the stupidity in believing Pramad so fast. Kamaal ho gaya. Even after he said he met Kalika, she didnt suspect.
What I would have expected was some basic courtesy towards Saras in Desai household. That too coming from Kumud. He is treated like a non-entity. If they are playing a drama by hiding truth, then by the same token he is Naveen and mehmaan of Desais. Baithne ke liye bhi nahin kahaa. Kumud ji aaraam se baithi thi aur Saras khadaa raha.
But Arshi, like you said, using that scene to show her drift towards Pramad(at any whichever level) was sad to see.Not that anybody was wrong there. Just sad to see.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: Arshics


Shana, Reemz, I accept her sense of duty, and her need to put pramaad first.


Par kabhi kabhi kahin toh ek kasak dikha de

Saras ke armaanon pe thoda taras dikha de

Apne pyaar ko nahi maanti, na sahi

Saras ke pyaar ki thodi toh qadar dikha de


Arshi, they have certainly devised an original, best-in-class method of demonstrating that "respect"... Just waiting to see that Thappad-e-Azam...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: Arshics


Shana, Reemz, I accept her sense of duty, and her need to put pramaad first.


Par kabhi kabhi kahin toh ek kasak dikha de

Saras ke armaanon pe thoda taras dikha de

Apne pyaar ko nahi maanti, na sahi

Saras ke pyaar ki thodi toh qadar dikha de



True Arshi, I want her to admit that she is doing sacrifies...samjhota with the situation...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#87
Aaj ka burning kostin.

Yahan pe sleeping arrangement kya hai?

Haveli main toh pramaad living room couch pe nahi soyega

So that means he has been able to enter the bedroom just by virtue of coming to RN
Edited by Arshics - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#88

Originally posted by: Arshics

Aaj ka burning kostin.


Yahan pe sleeping arrangement kya hai?

Haveli main toh pramaad living room couch pe nahi soyega

So that means he has been able to enter the bedroom just by virtue of coming to RN

Ab iske baare mat sochna Arshi. Yahan tho Pramad Jamai 'Raja' hain.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#89

Originally posted by: Arshics

Aaj ka burning kostin.


Yahan pe sleeping arrangement kya hai?

Haveli main toh pramaad living room couch pe nahi soyega

So that means he has been able to enter the bedroom just by virtue of coming to RN



I was thinking abour the same...but i think he will as our kumudsundari is so...dumb.!!!😡And will believe him blindly...
Edited by radhikaG - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#90

Originally posted by: Arshics



But let me talk about the telepathic conversation between Saras and Kumud as it has been compared to the Arnav Khushi convo.

Infact, that's the reason why the scene bothered me,

When Arnav Khushi had the telepathic convo it was about their innermost feeling for each other ,

Arnav spoke about how he has fallen for Khushi inspite of his determination not to

It showed his acceptance of his love and that reached out to Khushi and she heard the call of his subconscious and responded to it.

Here if we apply the same thought. That telepathecally their innermost thought reach out to each other then even in Kumud's subconscious, the thoughts are only of pramaad. Even in her avachetan Saras has no place.

That's why I felt it was a sacrilege. Because Arnav Khushi telecon was one of the most romantic loving scenes of ipk, where they shared only their love and all else was forgotten.


Arshi, G'morning! 😃

So, after discussions with Shrija yesterday, I watched that sequence... The only one in almost two weeks that I watched outta my own curiousity 😆 And... I did not like it 😳

It started off great, the blurring and use of close-up to internalize Saras, but the fact that it was shot separately and the editing plus the female voice-over totally messed it up. Add to that the overall treatment, it was a 'dismiss' Arshi, I watched it thrice and it barely registered on me save for that one brilliant split-second of GR magic at around the 9:32 mark (meri wajah se...) The voice modulation, the involuntary clenching of the railing betraying his helplessness and control, almost like he wanted to jump, cross the middle-ground and 'erase' the distance between them 👏... But she stops him with a 'Nahin, Saras...' Almost verbally showing him the hand, telling him not to trespass the middle-ground, bringing Pramad in once more.

The Kumud voice-over was so mechanical, so 'clinical', no tone variance, no emotional alignment with expressions, compared to the male once, it came as off as 'amateur' lacking heart and affect... Something which Kumud too 'lacks' at the moment, but if that was the intent for choosing that execution, it was a directorial blunder because GR played his part almost too perfectly well... And the difference between the two actors shone out most starkly.

Also, notice how Saras is filmed in low-angles... It makes him appear almost intimidating and threatening... That is the intent... To show Saras 'as a threat' to Kumud's marriage and marital happiness from now on. The seeds for the 'slap' are slowly being scattered... But with clumsy hands, where finesse and panache would have been appreciated, and was expected.

I would not compare it to the Arnav-Khushi convo (am in no position to), but the same mise-en-scene ('Arnav-Khushi template') was still used... However, there is only so much AK can do with present limitations. There was no SRS/ playing off... There was no eyeline match... It wasn't allowed to 'breathe', to permeate into consciousness... Even the FB seemed crudely and cruelly placed.. Witness how in that Arnav-Khushi sequence, a same sorta FB parallelism was used? But here it did not work. Not for me, not at all 👎🏼

There was 'ehsaas' though on Saras' part when he first feels Kumud is there and swiftly shifts directions... She, for her part only notices him when his (let's assume) 'gaze' is upon her. Shows how far Kumud has gone, from Saras... The fact that they are on different 'planes' is very telling too. Another foreshadowing of the 'break'.

P.S. Expect Mon/Tues epi to be mightily effed up as well with use of body doubles, separate shots, dissonant voice-overs (if used) since J's took off again
Edited by -Ivy- - 12 years ago

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