Shiv was not wrong! - Page 10

Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

@Skep, thanks for your post. Your new post on J pretty much answers lot of the questions below..as to why things went to such extremes. But still I have given my POV.

@TM

See this is how I think Shiv was wrong and not blameless:

- Only Sanchi's engagement has broken. Not a marriage. Her world has not crushed down.
Really relations are only build by societal norms? Jagya was committed to Sanchi and without discussing with her, without giving any proper reason he just went and broke off his engagement. This is a world crushing moment for anyone let it be GF/BF, engaged couple or married.

Relations are made by heart and also maintained with feelings and emotions. Just because after 8 months or so you don't feel that you are compatible you don't go and break the relation without even talking to your fiance.
- Shiv should have been perceptive enough given his wisdom and tact to know that Jagya and Singhs might have felt pressurised to agree for this marriage being Anandi's maayka. Jagya was reluctant and showed signs of being stuffed from day one. Shiv should have sensed this.

Why do people expect shiv to be antaryami?he did use his wisdom. He did oppose the rishta at start and also supported anandi when she spoke tofamily about it. He also sensed that J is not happy and even asked him before sagai, asking him to even back out as still there is time. But then why J had to be mahaan and give assurance to Shiv? That made him believe J and Shiv felt his wisdom is wrong, J is happy with this rishta.

What more you wanted him to do?

- You can't claim Shiv does not know of Sanchi's true colours. He very well knows how short tempered, ill mannered, callous and rude Sanchi can get when she is pissed. He may not know about manipulation of dates etc. but he should know the basic nature of his sister well enough to judge she could not fit in with Singhs.

Of course he knows and that is what he tried to explain her in the start as well - that she is from an entire diff background and cannot adjust, her nature, temperament all is different than BH people and J. but Sanchi claimed her love and will to change for her love. And she also did change, so this made Shiv believe that sanchi is going on a good path and she is making the efforts, so she will adjust.

And about her temper, all know it...but who changes completely in 6 months? When J hasn't changed in years together...how do you expect sanchi to be all saintly in few months?

- If Shiv loathes Jagya for his past then why does he want him for his sister? Why is he angry at him for not marrying his sister?

- He had been told the reasons of why Jagya refused Sanchi. We can't say he knew nothing.

No Shiv never loathed him, not even when he was actually a devil, trying to break AnSh rishta...infact he never ever brought out J's past. He was the foremost of everyone in this drama who believed J the most. So much that when anandi told about J's manglore visit and voiced her suspicion he supported J and said he believes him.

But then J suddenly turns up one fine day and says he and sanchi are not fit and wants to break the rishta. On top of it he also goes ahead and marries another girl. This is kind of dejavu of jagya's past. He has taken decisions in haste and caused trouble to everyone. This is the same way he spoilt lives of 2 women .all memories of anandi's miseries came back to shiv and he also saw his sister in same state, hence the outburst.

Its J's way of handling and executing things...that made him subject to such humiliation.



- He and his family entered the hospital without informing anyone. Do they even know what was going? A family drama was going on. And Jagya did not plan to marry Ganga. It happened on spur of the moment.

Why do they need to inform anyone? They came to say sorry, might have gone to BH got the news about all being at hospital came there. So what's the big deal?

And yes marriage was not planned, but the way it happened was all wrong. It wasn't needed really.

- His dialogues about Jagya touching Sanchi were crap. As if Jagya held her hand to touch her or assert his right on her! Ha!

- His silence when Ira bashed innocent Singhs was sad. It was very clear that Singhs had no idea and were themselves shocked, with Sumitra is in disapproval. So he should have stopped this faltu Singh bashing.

Why he should stop everyone? Why didn't anandi speak up ? and most of all why didn't Jagya speak up. As such he has great capacity to shout ...what happened to him now? Because he knows he is responsible for all this fiasco.

And Shiv's mother was in pain, the marriage happened in front of Singhs...so of course she thought they knew it. J had left KB 2 days back ..and they thought that singhs atleast knew sanchi coffee shop natak, if not marriage.

- What bugged the most was his silence and inaction when Sanchi pushed Anandi and shouted at her giving the ex taunt! Okay he could not have stopped Sanchi. But at least come to support Anandi when she's pushed?

Why he needs to always come and exhibit his support? His wife is sensible enough and she also understands that sanchi is distraught and in shock...she is suffering a big loss and hence is venting out anger on her. Shiv clearly showed his disapproval thru his expressions, but it was the brother today and not husband shiv. He knew its sanchi's outburst and anandi also understands it.

He has gone to evry length to support anandi. In UD fiasco when he supported her people shouted that he went overboard with his mom. What do people really want?

- Engagement was broken from Jagya's side and he had no obligation to Shekhars. They aren't his bosses. It would have been bad if Jagya had done this without breaking engagement and without making his lack of interest in Sanchi clear.

The entire stuff of breaking the engagement and unnecessary wedding ...the way J handled it was compleetey wrong and stupid. And hence he faced such reactions from everyone. Yo udont just declare hey I am not marrying you cause I don't want to and now I am free to marry anyone..so u go to hell sanchi. No, relations aren't made or broken this way. But when has J understood this?

- BTW, why was he standing and watching when Jagya was talking to Ganga and holding her hands before putting sindoor? If he was so eager then he should have stopped Jagya at once with a shout! Why was he silent? What was he waiting for?

Everyone was shocked cause that scene was unexpected. No one thought J doing this, cause no one knew he loves ganga. So to expect Shiv running and holding J's hand is funny in itself.

- I am curious! If Sanchi breaks relations herself then it is not a big deal. But if someone else does then her world has crashed?

- I can expect such a junglee reaction from Mahi. Or anyone else. But not Shiv!

- Sorry but Shiv blasts away others and especially in these episodes about Jagya, he has not given him a chance to speak. He and his family even avoided telling truth of Sanchi's blunder that led to break up and tried to divert the topic by extra shouting when Bhairon asked what had happened. They seemed to be using this incident to cover up Sanchi's blunders, put all blame of Jagya and play victims themselves.

No one did that. They came there to say sorry and not put blame on J. and daddu did say what happened and why they came to say sorry. But J's marrying ganga was the final nail in coffin. He could have first explained his mother and everyone around and then say that he will only marry ganga. Ewhy this OTT drama?

After what Jagya did, anyone would think he just used compatibitlity as scape goat reason cause he loved ganga and cudnt marry her. So he did this and before anyone says anything put the sindoor.

- Also, Shiv should avoid using such disdainful language for a man who had saved his sister's life and her honour and also his grandfather when he had a heart attack. Shiv talked as if Jagya was a slimeball from day one! What's the point of talking like this? Would it convince Jagya to marry Sanchi? Or would it show superiority of Shekhars?

Ohh come on Jagya has done enough of nonsense through his life. 2-3 good deed don't count his redemption. What he did for sanchi he would have done for anyone else as well. And being a doctor it was his duty to do what he did for daddu.

Why do you forget what all shiv did for J and ewhat all nonsense of J he has put up with before and even after his marriage to anandi. Then it was expected from Shiv...but now this is mahaanta of J ???

Originally posted by: jrmahuli

Please !!! Dont defame Jagya's character by addressing him as Jogia!!! If u cant accept the fact that he has changed then its fine, but please dont hurt others by saying so!!!

And since i didnt like way u wer addressing Jagya, i had to point it out!!! Sorry if i have hurted u!!!