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Posted: 18 years ago

Originally posted by: punjini

Salil ji --I call your attention this this para in the article I posted:
Milansar pointed out that ghazals that adhere to the format, such as "Dikhayi Diye... " in Bazaar, were not composed specifically for the film. Though we tend to assume all that Javed Akhtar writes for films are ghazals (because of his use of Urdu diction and imagery), only one of his film songs is a classic ghazal — "Tumko dekha to yeh khayal aya" from Saath Saath.

Not sure if someone else has already pointed this out.

I am surprized that the above comments could come from Milansar Ahmed, a man well versed in Urdu literature and a programme executive with the All India Radio. I am quite sure that the author of this article did not know what she was writing and has wrongly put this on his name. Tumko dekha to yeh khayal aya is not a ghazal at all --- just because Jagjit Singh sung it does not make it a ghazal.

tumako dekhaa to ye Kayaal aayaa
zindagii dhuup tum ghanaa saayaa

aaj phir dilane ek tamannaa kee
aaj phir dilako hamane samajhaayaa

This song does not follow any ghazal rule -- matla, radif, kaafiyaa.

Originally posted by: punjini

Milansar then drew the attention of the audience to a crucial socio-political factor that has made ghazals particularly rare in films.

I am again surprized here. With little effort, so many people could find so many ghazals in Hindi film that PERFECTLY fit in ghazal structure. More surprizing is the fact that the songs that we never thought as ghazals were actuallly turned out to be ghazals-- structure wise. And as it has been said many times that ghazal need not be only about love, beloved person, deception, sorrow etc. Ghazal can be on the happy side of the life too. I find it difficult to accept the fact that ghazals in its strict structure are said to be very rare in Hindi films.

Originally posted by: punjini


Most Urdu poets who wrote lyrics for early Indian films came from the progressive movement (with exceptions like Shakil Badayuni) and were not particularly keen on the ghazal form which carried with it the feel of a decadent socio-cultural ambience.

Don't agree here again. So many shayar from all different backgroud wrote ghazals for films.

Originally posted by: punjini



Chiranjeev Singh, former IAS officer and a connoisseur of Urdu literature who was in the audience, added that Urdu songs in films could be better described as ghazalnuma, or ghazal-like compositions.

Yes, there are many so called ghazalnumas in films but there are many many that are real ghazals too.

Originally posted by: punjini



"The format of a ghazal is demanding like that of a sonnet," he said. Only highly academic composers such as Anil Biswas, who chose their lyrics first and then set them to music, did justice to the form.

My opinion differ here again. Madan Mohan saab and Ravi ji composed some of the best ghazals (in the most demanding format) as you can see from many posts here. And I feel that they did perfect justice to the form.

Edited by salilu - 18 years ago

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Posted: 18 years ago

Not sure if this was posted before... A nice ghazal by OP Nayyar in a very happy mood. Phir Wohi Dil Laaya Hun -- penned by Majrooh.

Aanchal Mein Saja Lena Kaliyan, Zulfon Mein Sitare Bhar Lena,
Aise Hi Kabhi Jab Shaam Dhale, Tab Yaad Hamen Bhi Kar Lena,

Aaya Tha Yahan Begana Sa, Chal Dunga Kahin Deewana Sa,
Deewane Ki Khatir Tum Koyi, Ilzaam Na Apne Sar Lena,

Rasta Jo Mile Anjaan Koyi, Aajaaye Agar Toofan Koyi,
Apne Ko Akela Jaan Ke Tum, Aakhon Ne Aasun Bhar Lena,

Edited by salilu - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
Salilji, thanks for reformating the lines. Yes, I think the comment by Milansar Ahmed might have been misquoted by the journalist - these things happen quite frequently.

I guess the purists like to say ghazalnuma because rules like 2-line shers are often broken (especially by Sahir) and maqta is not followed at all.

I think this discussion has been good because we have all been forced to examine the ghazal more deeply. Earlier we just appreciated the meanings and feelings, now we are looking at the structure too.
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Posted: 18 years ago

Didn't realize before that two of these Mukesh songs are in ghazal format ..

From Hariyaali aur Rasta -- MD: Shankar Jaikishan

teree yaad dil se bhoolaane chalaa hoo
ke khud apanee hastee mitaane chalaa hoo

ghataao tumhe saath denaa padegaa
mai fir aaj aansoo bahaane chalaa hoo

kabhee jis jagah khwaab dekhe the maine
wahee khaank apanee udaane chalaa hoo

gama-ye-ishk le, fook de meraa daaman
mai apanee lagee yoo, buzaane chalaa hoo

From Aabroo--- MD: Sonia Omi

jinhe hum bhoolanaa chaahe, wo aksar yaad aate hain
buraa ho is mohabbat kaa, wo kyon kar yaad aate hain

bhoolaaye kis tarah un ko, kabhee pee thee un aankhon se
chhalak jaate hain jab aansoo, wo saagar yaad aate hain

kisee ke sunrkha lab the yaa diye kee lau machalatee thee
jahaa kee thee kabhee poojaa, wo mandar yaad aate hain

rahe aye shammaa too roshan duwaan detaa hain parawaanaa
jinhe kismat mein jalanaa hain, wo jalakar
yaad aate hain

Edited by salilu - 18 years ago

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