Jodha vs forum: History tells us

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Posted: 12 years ago
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    History tells us...

    (This is me ranting about many, many comments on Jodha's wrongdoing. What wrongdoing? Either I am missing something or these commentators are).

  1. That we learn nothing from history.
  2. Here we are some centuries later, pushing the status of half of humankind back to medieval times. Being a woman does not equal being a pious goddess of everything virtuous. Having two Xs for sex chromosomes does not make Jodha some robot who must align herself to follow a convention set of rules. Let us see it another way. Imagine you work as a librarian. You work in the library (fact).That must mean you love reading books (assumption). The assumption that you must love reading books, if true, will make your work a lot easier but is, by no means, needed as a requirement for you to obtain employment nor is it a fact (i.e. Absolute truth) for everyone in the profession.

    In the same way, Jodha is a royal woman (emphasis on the woman part cause let us face it, all the criticism is really pointed at her non-conforming* gender role). Yes, it would really help if she sucks up whatever fate is being ordered upon her by her father. But, she can (and does) protest. This sure as hell doesn't make her life easier but there is no reason why she cannot do that. Not like the earth is going to open up and consume her if she does so. Stop putting her on a pedestal of unreasonable expectations. Fictional characters (especially women) throughout history are accepted as either entirely good or entirely evil. That is a storyteller's story. It isn't reality and if this storyteller (director) is trying to put some shade of (not even gray) NORMAL human behaviour in saintly non saint people then, we should embrace it.

    Historically, women were expected to just follow the leader (man) and it doesn't look like much has changed.

  3. History repeats itself.
  4. Do I even have to say it? The same ridiculous moves were pulled out by major TV channels criticizing the Dutchess of Cambridge for not looking presentable post partum cause it was her JOB to look good. I know, don't remind me that I am making a mountain out of mole hill. But, check yourself at the door when you have unreasonable "criticisms" (really annoyances)for people. It is not Jodha's job to do anything. She lost a genetic lottery (or won, depending on context) and was born to her parents. She had no choice so excuse her if she doesn't take a forced wedding in good grace.

    *Truth be told, Jodha's character is patriarchy's best nightmare: putting her on a fabricated pedestal that sounds less real than a fairy tale.

    **Ask me and I will list how unrealistic her characterization is. I know it won't change because we are dealing with Balaji here. Sigh.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Edited by riyya6 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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We are not questioning her virtue. What annoys most people is her unjustified hatred for jalal from the begining of the show itself.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

We are not questioning her virtue. What annoys most people is her unjustified hatred for jalal from the begining of the show itself.


its not unjustifies.his soldiers did dont have any respect for any other religion..they openly steal things from hindus ...even their temples and jodha witnesses one such doing..and obviously she thinks they r jalal's orders so she hates him.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: aanchal_c


its not unjustifies.his soldiers did dont have any respect for any other religion..they openly steal things from hindus ...even their temples and jodha witnesses one such doing..and obviously she thinks they r jalal's orders so she hates him.


Its not like he is the first person to do that. Atleast, he is good towards his loved ones. Will she hate her father too, he is the one who made the deal, right? He didn't have to give in.

Her enthusiasm for war is the one thing that annoys me the most other than her obsession with jalal's head 'lets go kill some mughals'. As a matter of fact, she pushed suryaban to his fate somehow. She was the first perso to get over it and was still crying for war.

Her burning the clothes gifted by Jalal is however justified. I don't find it unroyal. That's her wounded pride acting out.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

We are not questioning her virtue. What annoys most people is her unjustified hatred for jalal from the begining of the show itself.


are u telling to love/befriend an enemy?

why do we hate people ?
1. may be we don't like their character?
2. may be we dislike their attitude?
3. may be they are our enemy,

the last if is the only reason to hate someone then i guess your statement is justified. Just because Jalal is her enemy her hatred towards him is ok, But level of her hatred is unjustified i would agree,'


But please make a note, she has witnessed his ruthless acts. May it be by his soldiers of looting mandir, Tried to kidnap her Moti Bai and also she has seen so much of unjustice going on in her state just because of an foreigner [ as they think ] - Mughul and its shehenshah - Jalal

her hatred towards him can thus be justified. Speaking about the amount and level of her hatred towards him, you can see he did come infront of her disguised. enough for her to feel guilty of not identifying him! and thus the amount of her hatred is justified.

Mughul have won the battle, how do you feel when something is taken away from you to which you can sacrifise your own life? thats the feeling she has along with suryabhan's death and his head being sent to them! and morever, no Rajput [ at those times ] would love to lose to a mughul and then hug their enemy because they are lost! Rajput Dont bow their heads to their enemy! and thus the level of her hatred is justified.

and my 3 reasons, his character - a cruel one, his attitude - that he owns everything and him being her enemy made her hate him. and thus she is obsessed with her hatred! thats it!

being a woman myself, if i am said to marry my enemy either i will kill that man or i would burn myself down or i would run-away! and thank god she didn't try anything of those sort, instead she just burnt her dress! and why are you not thinking about the fact that she been married to Jalal unknowingly [ as far as promos and spoiler goes ] would you or would anyone agree when they are being married to their enemy?

she is a woman, she has to follow what she has been ordered! This has been followed since and years and still going on! no one questions., she is just protesting and struggling with herself by just burning down the dress NOT herself! because in her position i would killed myself rather than surrender to an enemy!

i am completely agreeing with her attitude. may be a little i disagree of her obsession with cutting down jalal's head though 😆

*No Offence*

this is my views..

@TM : good post👏
Edited by ..nams.. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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and speaking about royalty- where did the royalty go when woman became a trade for political purpose?

where did the same royalty go when those hundreds of women were dragged to jalal's harem? either by winning over the battle or just for the sake of politics?

where did the same royalty go when jalal in middle of the bazaar pulled a married woman and asked her husband - life or wife? was that justified for a royal shehenshah?

and she swallowing her own grief of losing suryabhan and her state to mughul, encouraged her father to bring her brothers back. inspite of all this she was even ready to fight the battle! i guess for a courageous princess like her i dont hv words!

according to me, if she is a princess, she is also a woman! and her act is completely justified! since is a royal one, she didnt burn him down! she just burnt her dress.

again no offence.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..nams..


are u telling to love/befriend an enemy?

why do we hate people ?
1. may be we don't like their character?
2. may be we dislike their attitude?
3. may be they are our enemy,

the last if is the only reason to hate someone then i guess your statement is justified. Just because Jalal is her enemy her hatred towards him is ok, But level of her hatred is unjustified i would agree,'


But please make a note, she has witnessed his ruthless acts. May it be by his soldiers of looting mandir, Tried to kidnap her Moti Bai and also she has seen so much of unjustice going on in her state just because of an foreigner [ as they think ] - Mughul and its shehenshah - Jalal

her hatred towards him can thus be justified. Speaking about the amount and level of her hatred towards him, you can see he did come infront of her disguised. enough for her to feel guilty of not identifying him! and thus the amount of her hatred is justified.

Mughul have won the battle, how do you feel when something is taken away from you to which you can sacrifise your own life? thats the feeling she has along with suryabhan's death and his head being sent to them! and morever, no Rajput [ at those times ] would love to lose to a mughul and then hug their enemy because they are lost! Rajput Dont bow their heads to their enemy! and thus the level of her hatred is justified.

and my 3 reasons, his character - a cruel one, his attitude - that he owns everything and him being her enemy made her hate him. and thus she is obsessed with her hatred! thats it!

being a woman myself, if i am said to marry my enemy either i will kill that man or i would burn myself down or i would run-away! and thank god she didn't try anything of those sort, instead she just burnt her dress! and why are you not thinking about the fact that she been married to Jalal unknowingly [ as far as promos and spoiler goes ] would you or would anyone agree when they are being married to their enemy?

she is a woman, she has to follow what she has been ordered! This has been followed since and years and still going on! no one questions., she is just protesting and struggling with herself by just burning down the dress NOT herself! because in her position i would killed myself rather than surrender to an enemy!

i am completely agreeing with her attitude. may be a little i disagree of her obsession with cutting down jalal's head though 😆

*No Offence*

this is my views..

@TM : good post👏


I don't mind her burning dow the dress. That part hasn't even been shown yet. She doesn't even know she is getting married to him yet. some people have commented in other threads that jalal is obessesed with jodha.. but it is actually jodha who is obesessed with him. What irks me is her bloodlust, even after how suryabhan is killed. She seems beyond any reasoning. No one likes war, especially the women in the royal family.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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its not just about the character you are talking about nor its about wrongdoings its about what people know and how they react when something related to it comes in front of them in an entirely different way.


I did a mistake(about 2 weeks ago) by telling everyone here what my POV is about this show and I ended up requesting the DT to close my thread.

P.S.Please I really wanna know how unrealistic Jodha's characterization is,and not only hers I believe Akbar too.

Thanks
Mallu
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Posted: 12 years ago
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and speaking about royalty- where did the royalty go when woman became a trade for political purpose?
Is jalal to blame for everything? Should not be hating her brother and father for that?


where did the same royalty go when those hundreds of women were dragged to jalal's harem? either by winning over the battle or just for the sake of politics?
What would have become of them otherwise. We, are not exactly aware about the circumstances the women were bein brought, how they were treated, or whether they were willing or not.

where did the same royalty go when jalal in middle of the bazaar pulled a married woman and asked her husband - life or wife? was that justified for a royal shehenshah?
That was just unrealistic. Akbar would have never done that, plus he did nothing to her. Her husband just ran away, I guess he was just trying to prove his point.


and she swallowing her own grief of losing suryabhan and her state to mughul, encouraged her father to bring her brothers back. inspite of all this she was even ready to fight the battle! i guess for a courageous princess like her i dont hv words!
Her courage had apprently caused her to lose all her common sense. who is she to decide on everyone's behalf? what about their wives? Did she even need to get over him in the first place?

according to me, if she is a princess, she is also a woman! and her act is completely justified! since is a royal one, she didnt burn him down! she just burnt her dress.
that was just funny😆 don't mind her doing that
again no offence.
Edited by Autumn_Rose - 12 years ago

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