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Posted: 12 years ago
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Its done in india but not like it was shown in show ...people here bent down and touch elders feet to take blessing and elders also give blessings without the feeling of i am god or something like that...tv shows exaggrate these things
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: princessunara



see i agree. BUT dadaji did NOT demand respect, he gets it.
he is NOT disrespecting the bahus, but UB is. cz the truth is he is some 80 or so year old man. he saw his wife covering the head and thinks that all women do it. BUT when he was explained CC had an accident also and was given permission, he DID not demand (which is what disrespect would have been) that she revert back to saris n cover her head.
sigh.. i wish i knew how to explain this.. but actually there is a thing where we bow down before elders its not only about respecting them but getting blessings from them. Our culture/religions have made it so that getting blessings from ur parents or any other elders is one of the most precious things one can get.
I will give u one example, for cooking for the family for the 1st tiem CC was about to get a gift, most likely gold or diamonds. But she says to bless her instead and bends down.
this is what i am talking about. Elders do not always ask for it, but youngsters simply give it..it has been taught to us from the cradle so to speak..

And hehe standing at attention was not needed, that i agree.. they showed it a little overboard in the show to make things spice up.. but its usually very casual..
when we worship usually it ends with a kiss on the forehead. And if loads of external family is there this standing in order is done to stop confusion and to get things moving quickly during functions..trust me u get entangled with everyone trying to cross paths..
what u see here is a very filmy depiction of the truth..😆

Hmmm... I must have misunderstood then. When Manthan (youngest brother before Manav) did not bow down his head, Dadaji barked at him, and then he did. So I assumed that's what it was. From last visit, when Ranjana cooked and there was hair in the food, she was told to wear a chef's hat, and she didn't really. And everyone in the house is terrified of him. I don't call that respect!
Getting blessings from elders happens in all cultures. Some bow down some don't. That is fine. Like I said before the practices are different and that is fine. It's the way Dadaji is demanding that everyone respect him, but he's not reciprocating that is bothering me!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: LuvArnavKhushi

As far as I have seen Bollywood movies and Indian shows and such, feet touching is just a form os respect which I find alright since in other parts of the world, people kiss the elderly's hands (that is a part of my culture). but yeah the only thing I found odd was the bowing.


lol someone brought up Paro touching Dev's feet but I found that fit the era and style of the setting of the movie just perfectly. And not to mention it was two gorgeous people so they pulled it off quite well. 😉 lol

My point is to force somebody to do what they don't want is not right. From what I saw of the epi, everyone there was terrified. They didn't want to be there, and do what they were doing. Everyone was doing something. But not because they wanted to.
If they wanted to stand in an army line at attention, and bow down, if they wanted to do that, it would not bother me so much. I guess, what I am trying to say is to take away one's will in the name of tradition is not right.

@bold - can't comment as I am clueless???😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: showviewer

I understand your point of give and take respect and that is where the clash of ideologies is...this is the overarching theme of the show. What you are talking about is what Chhanchhan will lead this family to with her fair share of challenges and opposition through her journey.

In many conservative Indian households respect is given and demanded for age more than actions. Right or wrong is a different issue...that is the way it is. Another thing is that Indian society is largely patriarchal and most of our social and cultural norms are drawn from that. Most who grow in this milieu don't question this because for them that is normal and the way they have seen life. Many women themselves consider men better/ superior to women.
If these things were not believed or prevalent than we would not have male child preference or girl child infanticide and featicide, the male to woman ratio is skewed in many parts of the country and it is not restricted to rural areas, these things happen in educated families in big cities too.
Now, male preference does not always translate into killing of girl child but one can see various versions of it in terms of whose education and career is given importance, whose nutrition needs are better taken care of in a family etc. These are some basic examples patriarchal ideology translates into many big and small things we do in day to day life and large part of it we do not question because it is very normal for us.
What you are saying, equality for all and dignity for women are all valid points and should be there ideally, but the ground reality is diffrent.
Here Chhanchhan is trying to get to that but first she needs to understand and secure her position in Borisagar household and then she will slowly change things. Change will happen only with realization of other family members that things need altering, that will take time as years of conditioning does not change quickly. Even the women themselves (here the bahus) need to be aware of their rights.

What they are depicting in the show is a dramatized, a bit exaggerated version of many conservative joint family households across India. Sometimes it takes people like Chhanchhan to come, shake things up and ask questions.


Wow! That was beautifully said!

And yeah, you are right - change is a necessity, resisted. Especially by those who would lose something were the change brought about.
( I guess that's why we have wars... too deep, I know!)

Just wanted to let you know that Italians are patriarchal, too. But I don't bow down to my nonno. Infant genocide happened with Spartacus, too. And if many women consider themselves inferior to men, then that is wrong. Because we were all created equally.

Whaat! It's shocking that a mother would feed her male child better food than her female child? Maybe I misunderstood this??
Yeah, I guess, they always exaggerate everything in movies.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Was everyone bowing down before dadaji last night! N here I thought they were taking blessings from his swargwaasi patni! Coz he was kind of holding the ash pot in front of everyone!

Haha! That's a funny comment!

Anyways, coming to d point touching elders feet is a part of our culture n I myself do it! But what was shown yesterday was a bit too much...I mean everyone standing in a line to take blessings...that was weird!

The way it was translated to me - they were bowing down to him and praising him. Like he's God, kinda. I think FIL also said this- that he is God. He was also miffed that CC was missing and could not bow down to him.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Sarita.

Its done in india but not like it was shown in show ...people here bent down and touch elders feet to take blessing and elders also give blessings without the feeling of i am god or something like that...tv shows exaggrate these things

Yeah, that OK, isn't it? It's when the respect is not reciprocated that it's not OK. That is what I am saying.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: kbtr

Wow! That was beautifully said!

And yeah, you are right - change is a necessity, resisted. Especially by those who would lose something were the change brought about.
( I guess that's why we have wars... too deep, I know!)

Just wanted to let you know that Italians are patriarchal, too. But I don't bow down to my nonno. Infant genocide happened with Spartacus, too. And if many women consider themselves inferior to men, then that is wrong. Because we were all created equally.

Whaat! It's shocking that a mother would feed her male child better food than her female child? Maybe I misunderstood this??
Yeah, I guess, they always exaggerate everything in movies.


What I am saying is that male preference and patriarchy is deeply entrenched, so much so that it becomes invisible to people. When something becomes common practice, people do not question it. Female nutrition is a concern in many sections of society not only India but other parts of the world where women are taught to sacrifice or hold the needs of the men over their own, be it their husband's, fathers, brothers or sons. Similarly about education, health and other things.
The latest UN campaigns in Africa, Asia are focusing on education and economic self reliance of women because research has shown conclusively that when women in a family are educated and are aware the entire family's health, education and welfare improves.
Things are changing in India but change is always very slow especially of deeply entrenched belief systems and customs. Progress is also uneven, some pockets of society have rapidly changed while others are hang to old values and there is a whole lot in between.
This is clearly shown in the show, Sarabhais are more open minded and progressive but Borisagars are not though they belong to similar economic backgrounds. Here too one can see that Chhanchhan's mom is a professor, an educated professional who has imparted these modern values to her kids while Uma Ben is a conservative matriarch.
The topics we are discussing are very complex and there several layers to it, so this is the most simplistic way to explain the milieu of Chhanchhan's story.
But these discussions are important to have to understand what the story is about and what Chhanchhan is up against.
You are right, resistance to change is because of several reasons, one of them are people who will lose their power with a change in status quo. Resistance to change is also because people are afraid to adopt new ideas, old habits are difficult to break, fear of consequences etc. Change is not easy, but it is a must for society to evolve, otherwise many of us would not enjoy the liberties we do today.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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agree the ep was hilarious

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