better than last but lacks logistics

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Posted: 12 years ago
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i think today's episode was better compared to episodes shown after Urmi Devi drama...i liked what Jagya had told about LOC...one should wear what they feel is comfortable but even location and company matters...what i feel in this abusive case Saanchi was one at more fault than others...i am not being narrow minded but tell me which girl at her age would believe so readily in people she literally hates...if those boys would have been her friends then i would have thought about Saanchi as poor victim but those boys were not even in her good list and she readily believed them so in the end the voice over was good that girls should be openly told/educated about such things (wonder how come Saanchi is unaware about such things? ๐Ÿ˜•)

What i liked was the way this situation was approached...instead of stupid dushm dushm scenes they showed sensibly how Jagya had called the police and most importantly locked those boys in the room so they cannot come out...but what's me wonder is why anyone was not ready to help Saanchi is complaining this matter to police...no matter how rich these guys must be Saanchi is Collector's sister...nor the boys were afraid about this fact and neither the classmates thought about this

Even though this situation and it's handling was good the base of this issue lacked logical part

First no one normally dares to do such things with Collector's relatives and specially his real sister
No girl at Saanchi's age believes in boys she does not know/like so easily
Open minded family Shekhars should have made Saanchi aware about such things and how to avoid them
I SHORT I FEEL CVs HAVE IMPROVED BUT STILL LACK IN LOGISTICS

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Episode was good could have been better

MY POV PLEASE DON'T TAKE OFFENSE; Ok if not agree with me

THIS IS THE REASON I UPDATED MY FF QUICKLY; I WANTED TO WRITE THIS SCENE DURING THE DELHI CASE BUT TIME WAS TOO SENSITIVE;

THIS IS SUCH A FRUSTRATING THING THAT AT THAT TIME THE LEADERS WE FEMALES CHOSE SAID

1) 15 TAK SHAADI KARWA DO RAPE NAHI HONGE;

2) LADKIYON KO 6: 00 PM KE BAAD GHAR SE NAHI NIKALNA CHAIYE;

3) LADKIYON KO UTTEJIT KARNE WALE KAPDE NAHI BALKI DHANG KE KAPDE PEHENE CHAIHYE

I STRONGLY FEEL THAT THIS TOPIC SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH JAGYA BECAUSE IT WAS NOT TO RAISE AN ISSUE AND SEND A MESSAGE IT WAS TO MAKE HIM A HERO

The LOC thing was perfect but Line of Control wala joke sort of nahi maarna chahiye tha. Koi aur tareeke se dikhana chahiye tha; good ki there was no maar dhaad

today the way he wiped her tears and put the coat on her the way he said tumhaari umar mein I could see Mahi or Shiv in his place very easily

Yes Jagya is been shown samajhdaar now but to show Jagya mahaan I don't think such a sensitive topic should have been used

The bhaashan Jagya gives about family and values are dis believable

His transformation was very quick and I still can't digest the fact that he has turned over a new leaf overnight sort of anyways

One thing I did not like is Jagya to come and save her Jagya ko hero banaya again;

If they really want to give a social message They should have

1) Shown Saachi carry pepper spray; USE IT GIRL

2) She should have used her heel to kick him on the foot; then elbowed him; and then broken his nose; she could have bit him

THESE ARE THE BASIC SELF DEFENSE STEPS EVERY GIRL SHOULD KNOW; EVERY GIRL SHOULD CARRY PEPPER SPRAY

The thing they showed about the witnesses coming forward it rarely happens in real life; The youth need to be taught to stand up for your own and others

The thing about aise ladkon se ulajhna nahi chahiye; So take whatever they say aur himmat badhti hai agar sahi time par jawaab nahi diya

It is not ki hum jin ladko se uljhte hain wahi humaare saath galat kar sakte hain You know kabhi humaare saath jo normally nive hote hain bhi humpar attack kar sakte hain; you never know kab kya ho jaaye

the girl should be prepared uss time par I know we can't understand what the hell is happening but clear your head and think and act fast Pepper spray,deo, hair spray kuch bhi use karo; itni badi heels peheenni thi

The family not informed by cops? She was the Collector's sis. He should have been informed

The precap I hope Anandi and Shiv say that it was not the dress fault when Alok scolds her; but she should have been honest with the family

NOW if this silly billy agar Anandi jab usko sambhaalne jaaye and she will insult A ki you must be enjoying and think I told you so Shiv should just tell A not to approach Silly billy in anyway

Shiv saza dilwaayega apni behen ko par aur ladkiyon ke liye also he as a Collector should pass mandatory self defense class rule in school college office

Edited by chahat11 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: chahat11

Episode was good could have been better

MY POV PLEASE DON'T TAKE OFFENSE; Ok if not agree with me

THIS IS THE REASON I UPDATED MY FF QUICKLY; I WANTED TO WRITE THIS SCENE DURING THE DELHI CASE BUT TIME WAS TOO SENSITIVE;

THIS IS SUCH A FRUSTRATING THING THAT AT THAT TIME THE LEADERS WE FEMALES CHOSE SAID

1) 15 TAK SHAADI KARWA DO RAPE NAHI HONGE;

2) LADKIYON KO 6: 00 PM KE BAAD GHAR SE NAHI NIKALNA CHAIYE;

3) LADKIYON KO UTTEJIT KARNE WALE KAPDE NAHI BALKI DHANG KE KAPDE PEHENE CHAIHYE

I STRONGLY FEEL THAT THIS TOPIC SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH JAGYA BECAUSE IT WAS NOT TO RAISE AN ISSUE AND SEND A MESSAGE IT WAS TO MAKE HIM A HERO

The LOC thing was perfect but Line of Control wala joke sort of nahi maarna chahiye tha. Koi aur tareeke se dikhana chahiye tha; good ki there was no maar dhaad

today the way he wiped her tears and put the coat on her the way he said tumhaari umar mein I could see Mahi or Shiv in his place very easily

Yes Jagya is been shown samajhdaar now but to show Jagya mahaan I don't think such a sensitive topic should have been used

The bhaashan Jagya gives about family and values are dis believable

His transformation was very quick and I still can't digest the fact that he has turned over a new leaf overnight sort of anyways

One thing I did not like is Jagya to come and save her Jagya ko hero banaya again;

If they really want to give a social message They should have

1) Shown Saachi carry pepper spray; USE IT GIRL

2) She should have used her heel to kick him on the foot; then elbowed him; and then broken his nose; she could have bit him

THESE ARE THE BASIC SELF DEFENSE STEPS EVERY GIRL SHOULD KNOW; EVERY GIRL SHOULD CARRY PEPPER SPRAY

The thing they showed about the witnesses coming forward it rarely happens in real life; The youth need to be taught to stand up for your own and others

The thing about aise ladkon se ulajhna nahi chahiye; So take whatever they say aur himmat badhti hai agar sahi time par jawaab nahi diya

It is not ki hum jin ladko se uljhte hain wahi humaare saath galat kar sakte hain You know kabhi humaare saath jo normally nive hote hain bhi humpar attack kar sakte hain; you never know kab kya ho jaaye

the girl should be prepared uss time par I know we can't understand what the hell is happening but clear your head and think and act fast Pepper spray,deo, hair spray kuch bhi use karo; itni badi heels peheenni thi

The family not informed by cops? She was the Collector's sis. He should have been informed

The precap I hope Anandi and Shiv say that it was not the dress fault when Alok scolds her; but she should have been honest with the family

NOW if this silly billy agar Anandi jab usko sambhaalne jaaye and she will insult A ki you must be enjoying and think I told you so Shiv should just tell A not to approach Silly billy in anyway

Shiv saza dilwaayega apni behen ko par aur ladkiyon ke liye also he as a Collector should pass mandatory self defense class rule in school college office

about making jagya hero i don't think what jagya did was any hero type thing...shiv seemed more of a hero to me while saving anandi in jyoti's marriage then jagya here...so here it's POV differs from person to person...about saanchi not using pepper spray is with was highlighted in voiceover in end...safety measures should be taught to girls since it not possible to avoid such situations...they had recently arrested the culprits so maybe saanchi must have reached before police could have informed the family
what jagya meant about no uljho with such boys means girls like saanchi who act extra smart and unnecessarily fight with such boys also get in trouble and there it is also their fault...yes many a times boys do such things even after girls ignore them but never let things go wrong from your.side...saanchi should have informed her brothers about these boys before so that they would have been more careful...the bhasan jagya gave was not new...people behave with everyone on regards with what relation they share with them...jagya was romantically interested in anandi and that time he was as young as saanchi so it's obvious he got easily influenced with city things but here is almost 30 yrs man and has learnt a lot from life so
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Posted: 12 years ago
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This entire scenario is off repeated in n number of dramas. I guess BV was trying to give message that girls should have the freedom of dressing , which they should make use of SENSIBLY. However a girl dresses the males should learn to rein themselves. And sadly Indian audience does need the message. How many times have we seen eve teasing around us. Many of us must've also borne the unwanted gross comments and attentions of these despicable people.

The villian boy's dialogue pointing to her dressing, a typical case of blame the victim...๐Ÿคข, She made me do it. Wat u have no control over yourself? ๐Ÿคข..

And if a young fashionably attired girl's dressing is responsible for them losing IT... then wat abt Devils who target innocent children and old women? ๐Ÿคข ๐Ÿคข
J was right the dress never matters to such people ๐Ÿคข.

And Alok blaming his daughter rather than keeping tabs on her. Shouldnt parents and family arm girls with necessary sense and look out for them? Careless stuff that...

The men from the outset need to be taught how to respect women, which is so lacking. On the one hand u give women the place of deity and on the other hand abuse her mercilessly... We dont want to be devis treat us as equal, as a human being not some object. After the shameful events taking place allover the country its still the same, put restrictions on girls, they should behave responsibly, they should dress well, not stay out till late... blah blah... how about educating masses with a sick mentality, there needs to be some serious work done to counter this.

My current FF was going to touch upon a similar theme. Hadnt put it up as of yet...
Edited by pAL-pAL - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@libs w'ful post & i agree wid each of or word. tho i m of the view that clothes don't decide a gal's ckt or boy's behaviour 2wards gals but i also think that we shud wear clothes acc. 2 LOC!! but here sanchi was not wrong in wearing the dress but wrong in hiding it from her family!!

and abt jagya's redemption unrealistic i don't think its unrealistic or 2 sudden . it was shown by CVs that he redemeed after getting proper punishments like family disowning him & getting gauri like wife who always shouted @ him & J always pinning 4 his family & then realizing & repenting on all his wrong deeds truly.so he'd learnt his lessons v.well & harshly & thatswhy he can say all these things.
oderwise wen he used 2 blame oders & thot of himself as victim, no1 supported him!!๐Ÿ˜Š
Edited by tiny15 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tiny15

@libs w'ful post & i agreew id each of or word. tho i m of the view that clothes don't decide a gal's ckt or boy's behaviour 2wards gals but i also think that we shud wear clothes acc. 2 LOC!! but here sanchi was not wrong in wearing the dress but wrong in hiding it from her family!!


and abt jagya's redemption unrealistic i don't think its unrealistic or 2 sudden . it was shown by CVs that he redemeed after getting proper punishments like family disowning him & getting gauri like wife who always shouted @ him & J always pinning 4 his family & then realizing & repenting on all his wrong deeds truly.so he'd learnt his lessons v.well & harshly & thatswhy he can say all these things.
oderwise wen he used 2 blame oders & thot of himself as victim, no1 supported him!!๐Ÿ˜Š

@bold above, some people think Jagya redemption relaistic while some other think it is unrealistic. To me, the only punishment Jagya got was family disowning him, he was not allowed in haveli and to some extent him not being able to complete his MS (though he should have taken leave/informed his superiors before going to Jaitsar, his intention at that time was not wrong, so I think this as his punishment). Getting Gauri like wife- I dont think it is punishment because he herself chose Gauri (if it was arranged marriage, it could have been treated as punishment), other instances where he 'suffered' like several drunken brawls, roti theft etc. - he was himself guilty those times.
But Jagya brushed against law of land also and he was not punished for those crimes. He was arrested in Jaipur (before divorce) and did not get any punishment. Again for Railway ghotala, he was bailed out by Shiv and the case is still not progressed. Here I may add that in some other serials also they just forget the court case after the culprit gets bail (only some positive leads like Ichcha of Uttaran get punishment). Jagya's family is pressurising him for remarriage against his wishes. The family perhaps will not inform his prospective bride about Gauri and how and why Jagya got divorce. They will certainly will not inform about the court cases (perhaps even Ganga does not know about the court cases, though she knows about Gauri). What if in future to gain sympathy for Jagya/his wife CVs decide to show him getting punishment in court case?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: libsrocks

i think today's episode was better compared to episodes shown after Urmi Devi drama...i liked what Jagya had told about LOC...one should wear what they feel is comfortable but even location and company matters...what i feel in this abusive case Saanchi was one at more fault than others...i am not being narrow minded but tell me which girl at her age would believe so readily in people she literally hates...if those boys would have been her friends then i would have thought about Saanchi as poor victim but those boys were not even in her good list and she readily believed them so in the end the voice over was good that girls should be openly told/educated about such things (wonder how come Saanchi is unaware about such things? ๐Ÿ˜•)


What i liked was the way this situation was approached...instead of stupid dushm dushm scenes they showed sensibly how Jagya had called the police and most importantly locked those boys in the room so they cannot come out...but what's me wonder is why anyone was not ready to help Saanchi is complaining this matter to police...no matter how rich these guys must be Saanchi is Collector's sister...nor the boys were afraid about this fact and neither the classmates thought about this

Even though this situation and it's handling was good the base of this issue lacked logical part

First no one normally dares to do such things with Collector's relatives and specially his real sister
No girl at Saanchi's age believes in boys she does not know/like so easily
Open minded family Shekhars should have made Saanchi aware about such things and how to avoid them
I SHORT I FEEL CVs HAVE IMPROVED BUT STILL LACK IN LOGISTICS

@TM - Sanchi's foolishness is partly responsible for what has happened.She is not totally blameless.Sanchi has proven herself to be foolish and head strong in many instances.Her parents may have told her about all these things and cautioned her but she may have chosen to disregard them.
Yes She did not do anything to instigate those guys.But she contributed to this by believing people who she should not have believed and disregarded the concerns of the people who were thinking about her safety and welfare.This was very well highlighted by what Jagya has told her.

There were too many bloopers in the episode but the basic aspect was brought out well.

As for people not coming forward to be witnesses it happens very often in real life too.Simple because people do not want to concern themselves with these kind of issues.Unless it reaches their door step they do not do anything about it.
This is the reason why so many rape cases do not reach the court and very few get convicted in rape cases.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: libsrocks

i think today's episode was better compared to episodes shown after Urmi Devi drama...i liked what Jagya had told about LOC...one should wear what they feel is comfortable but even location and company matters...what i feel in this abusive case Saanchi was one at more fault than others...i am not being narrow minded but tell me which girl at her age would believe so readily in people she literally hates...if those boys would have been her friends then i would have thought about Saanchi as poor victim but those boys were not even in her good list and she readily believed them so in the end the voice over was good that girls should be openly told/educated about such things (wonder how come Saanchi is unaware about such things? ๐Ÿ˜•)


What i liked was the way this situation was approached...instead of stupid dushm dushm scenes they showed sensibly how Jagya had called the police and most importantly locked those boys in the room so they cannot come out...but what's me wonder is why anyone was not ready to help Saanchi is complaining this matter to police...no matter how rich these guys must be Saanchi is Collector's sister...nor the boys were afraid about this fact and neither the classmates thought about this

Even though this situation and it's handling was good the base of this issue lacked logical part

First no one normally dares to do such things with Collector's relatives and specially his real sister
No girl at Saanchi's age believes in boys she does not know/like so easily
Open minded family Shekhars should have made Saanchi aware about such things and how to avoid them
I SHORT I FEEL CVs HAVE IMPROVED BUT STILL LACK IN LOGISTICS


well said .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well there are many school of thoughts regarding the dressing sense of women. I won't emphasize on this further. My main concern is how females should protect themselves from rape or molestation.

Broadly I would categorize rapes into 2 different categories.

One is to be assaulted by someone whom you know and trust. As statistics say most of the rapes fall into this category. Little children and young gals are mostly the victims of such heinous incidents and its not at all related to what they wear or how they behave.

And second one is a kidnap, or a mass rape what happened in Delhi few days back. Here again I don't believe there is any role of any such dress.

In my opinion wearing a short skirt or a revealing dress in public might expose a lady to eve-teasing; but rape is much much more.

If you analyze the matter, it was Sanchi's foolishness rather than her dress. She should know whom she should trust and whom not. How could she enter inside a secluded lab in the evening with no friends around? I mean even teen age gals in shopping malls don't enter the washroom on their own. Nowadays almost all females are trained by their parents to certain extent. To some extent I would blame her parents for her such careless upbringing. When the lady is claiming she is modern and foreword thinker, what has happened to her general awareness?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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She was waiting for him and she was also feeling insecure about ganga call. the frame of mind is such that she would have believed that Jagya was really waiting for her. Love is blind and love makes one lose thinking power. And she immediately rushed. Hope this will teach her a lesson. anandi warned her Be Careful. But for sanchi, anandi is poison.

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