Heyhey Everyone,
Just thought I'd give my two cents...
This is very detailed post on my thought on Kaali, I doubt many of you will get to the end, for those of you thank you and those of you who don't are obviously majority of this forum... yes this is about Sam-
Oh you're still here? Oh right that's cause most of you that are still here like Samar Tyagi :)
So, I just want to start with Samar's entry... it was fierce, there was a fire in him.. "I will chop that Bhati in pieces" okay... how's that for an entry with a bang! The second I heard that line I immediately looked up from my laptop screen, it seriously grabbed my attention as to how can someone be so mad in the first 3 seconds of a new show. Boom instant attraction to that mysterious angry guy...aha...
As time went on I started to see this Amitab Bacchhan tag in him "Angry young man" and for those of you who are not Samar fans reading this and about to get mad at me for tagging ST with the legendary Big B; this was WAAYYY before ST even knew about Nimai. And for those of you who are like "Who's Nimai?" I say get out or get educated. Anyway...
Main questions that not only I have asked but so have others is that; is this man capable of love? Both his parents has not shown him any affection, and he is treated in the most degrading manner. His father has both physically and verbally been abusive to him and it is so not needed .
It will be interesting to explore the character of Samar whether he is a sociopath, or he has a personality disorder. Why does he hate his sister so much? Why has his mum never loved him.. (maybe because he might have a personality disorder?)There are lots of avenues to develop this character.
Samar Tyagi is a character who seems to be an enigma and has found a fan base amongst his ardent fans whether he is a psychopath or merely a product of an evil and dysfunctional family. Which is why I love the ST fans...
Samar Tyagi has always been under the arm of his father... like he was born with a sliver spoon in his mouth you could say... and RKT has always taught ST to obey him without questioning. It's pretty obvious that he was taught from a very early age to fear his father and even though Samar is educated RKT never gave Samar the chance to voice his opinions at all thus leading to his low self-esteem and the need to constantly prove to RKT he is a good son. This also leads him make mistakes, and once again become the reason for his father's distrust and anger. Shamlidevi Tyagi on the other hand is such an evil person anyway... so what the son normally should get from his mother ST never received (love affection etc) maybe causing the hatred that he bottles up inside of himself and then not knowing what love is. He is a product of a dysfunctional family
And when such a character is this good looking, "it commands our curiosity, provokes enigma, a face that demands attention and compels us to wonder why so little importance is given to him considering this show to belong to the mass of serials associated within the line of star plus." again another quote... (sorry that I have so many quotes but I cannot remember who said them) but its so true, this character is an enigma. He has this mysterious allure that is begging us to try and explore him... I'm so surprised that the CV's want to concentrate on others like Dev for example, just because he is portrayed by AB. I mean if AB played Samar Tyagi, I'm sure that Samar would be the most focused upon in the show! Maybe then we'd get our answers as to why ST is like this... and in my opinion it is SAD! (no bad feelings to Arjun, you sir are amazing, get well soon)
"I don't know how long more I can hold on to his show, if I keep fast-forwarding the scenes because I don't like the other two guys and their story." I think it was Jes or Ria for this one... but I agree. Sorry not Sorry because Dev and Rajneesh are not interesting they are so predictable! Samar has an aura around him, a mist... there is something behind the fog, and no one wants to explore that!
What gets me the most is that RKT has more respect for his servants than of his own son. I found the scene where RKT interrupted Samar's dinner, so annoying. Samar does anything to get his father to be proud of him, and lives in a shadow of fear. He even leaves no stone unturned in insulting his son whether in front of his servants, the Rajhans' or even someone that he's just met... for example in the Rajhans' household, or even in front of Rajneesh. He was slapped by RKT and then beaten by Dev. And obviously he probably went home to be beaten by his father once again, for so called "failing" Samar was originally the main male character even though he was bad.. so if Samar's role starts to get taken away because Dev is stealing his spotlight I will be pretty mad.
The main reason I love Samar/Badri... I think if the CV's developed Samar's character more then there is definitely room for Samar/Badri's friendship. I could bet you that Samar's best friend is Badri! I mean the teasing was so cute! And the way he smiles once Badri comes back and he's all like "Chalo" ... this was mine.. here I was talking about the Samar/Badri bajrang bali scene... Don't you guys think that Badri is more of a father to Samar rather than a servant. And since Badri has seen Samar grow up I bet you he knows more then anyone about Samar. And his concern when Samar hurt his hand and he was even the first to defend Samar when RKT made him leave from his sights after insulting him.
I had such high hopes from the episode where vaani had the press conference. And from what I was told. but,I have to say the Sayali/Samar scenes were cute... the bro-sis fights are normally like that but this was 100x more intense!!! Sounds like the bro/sis duo were sitting in the car screaming at each other, I was just waiting for them to start a cat fight ahaha!!!!
Speaking of Sayali I understand why she does it but I hate it when she calls him Samar Tyagi instead of Bhaiyaa or Tu instead of Aap. Samar looks so hurt when she says that... It looks as if he feels he's lost his sister, pushed her so far back, that she'd never come back to calling him bhaiyaa anymore... you can tell from the sad expression that he misses her calling him bhaiya!
See with the Samar/Badri friendship, I also want to see more Sayali/Samar scenes. cause its obvious that her hatred is affecting him! And no matter how much you say you hate your sibling, until they do something that is as bad as what Samar did, then you can't really hate them... Samar still loved her! And since he doesn't know what love is, he knows something is missing but he can't pinpoint that in their relationship!
This one I remember Seena di had said: "I skimmed through, today's episode on youtube, and fast-forwarded the scenes because there were nothing of Samar except the one with his hateful father." I hate how we have to do this just to see the show's most interesting character be sidelined like this! RKT was angry as hell with the job at hand, and he should do it himself rather than get others to do his dirty work. I mean I feel as if I'm going to say this for the 100th time DON'T PEOPLE TREMBLE AT THE NAME RAJKUMAR TYAGI AKA RAJJAN TYAGI?!
Also the only interaction I have seen between Samar and Shamlidevi was when she stopped him from reacting to Sayali. And other than that, it was when she was serving Samar food. I agree that Samar has been brought up to never show his emotions and he thinks that killing someone is right. I think he knows what is right and wrong but this constant need to prove himself gets in the way of the way he actually thinks. I guess this hatred towards Sayali is to do with the fact that his dad loves her a lot and that she is free of thoughts in her house whilst he needs to obey his fathers every whim (which also opens another view on Samar)... I guess he needs to find some friends, or maybe even annoying Paakhi will help him realize that obeying his father is wrong. He is a good son, and if his father can't see that, its his loss, that if RKT really cared about Samar then he wouldn't have sent him to face the lion.
Sure, he might have just beaten up Nimai, but if you see, RKT and Samar's stories are both different, listen to the summary by RKT and the story Samar narrates to Sayali. RKT keeps changing what he says... he says that he stabbed Nimai 5 times... then later in the same story he says that Samar couldn't kill Nimai properly and that it took him 3 hours... and I don't see a
knife in the flashback!
And if you watch EHMMBH, it looked like Jeevika killed Swamini Bua's fake son Karan, but it was someone behind her that actually shot him. And RKT said that he has bad aim! So like Jeevika he might not have actually killed Nimai!
"Poor Samar, looked lost and forlorn." yes forlorn, I couldn't have put it any better! ST is sort of becoming a shadow... I feel as if we are losing the person who if the CV's developed could make this show even bigger than IPK. "the writers are too lazy to try and explore minds of a complicated man. That would make the show more entertaining" another quote but in my opinion I agree and I know that many of you guys agree too.
"I see his struggle, as if he were battling an inner war, there are subtle indications of a man who is angered and fearful, hurt and affected". Someone had said this in a previous post on this forum, but I cannot re word it differently why change something that if perfectly written right... And I believe this strongly... If anyone has ever cared to notice (which I know many of you have) when ST is angry his eyes go wide he shouts, he screams there's a fire a rage... and he used to do that a lot... and now a days he is just so quiet, he takes in everything, he has those puppy-dog eyes when Sayali screams at him or when his father physically or verbally abuses him. It clearly shows that he does have feelings... that he will never mention... I guess cause its a guy thing or ST just doesn't have anyone to tell his secrets to. Other than I guess Badri, but he'd rather keep it to himself.
"Do we have to be just content with Samar and his evil ways. Are we ever going to see a human side to this handsome villain"I agree with this quote from Seena di so much! I need to see a human side of Samar. PLEASE CV's make Samar so much more than an evil person, he has so much potential. And so many questions surround his behaviour. As I have mentioned in so many posts. This being another added on to that list.
"At the moment, he is under the influence of his psychopathic father and has developed learned behaviour. Samar may have psychopathic tendencies as a result, but this is where it gets interesting. He wasn't born that way but nurtured by his evil father. Samar has to have some goodness in him for the story not to turn too predictable. He has claimed to have killed Nimai, but was that a figment of his own imagination? Remember, his father has insulted him that he was a poor shot, and incapable of carrying out a murder to satisfaction. Was the murder carried out by someone else, and Samar related it as having done it by himself." another well written explanation... This could lead to the theory of Samar possibly having a mental disability?
"Samar has dark sides n a person is not by essence good or bad" -- also leading to the dysfunctional family theory.
Didn't RKT say that he loves Sayali cause when she was born he got his first alcohol contract? Well why is he always mad at Samar? Is Samar not his son?? (that's what I'm starting to think, which could also be another reason for his behaviour) And what does he feel? Like if it was just him and his emotions, not thinking about the Nimai case just life in general. Does Samar only obey his father's every whim cause he wants his father to love him? I mean Samar did say that being a good son, he needs to kill Vaani... Why does Samar always feel the need to prove himself to his father? Yes I'm asking these again... but there's no answer.
"di don't u think why he hates lovers so much??? what made him so much heartless? Don't u think he may have [had] a past & because of that his father treats him so bad... & still in stead of being hurt he tries to live up to his father's expectations, don't u think there is something hidden his his eyes,in his pain" -- Jes for sure said this and I have nothing to add cause this is so beautifully put and this is another angle of ST. Opposed to the other ones... maybe he was in love? Maybe he's not mentally disable or just plain heartless, he is not like his father from the inside but he tries to look like he is...he puts so much effort into doing bad things, and never is able to complete them... you know how long it took him to shoot at Vaani... maybe behind that hesitation there was a good and evil angel and devil on his shoulder."& killing Nimai can be d outcome of his anger,agony of his own past bcoz of which he lost believe in love"
"Shame on them [CV's] for not being able to see beyond his exterior. His role seems to be diminishing from the plot, insignificant compared to the other characters. Its like the writers haven't bothered with the characters that were already there and by giving more importance to the new ones appeared to have abandoned them. Regarding Samar, I was glued to the story from the beginning as I was imagining what was going on behind his outwardly hot-headed brat-like character and hoping that in time they would develop on this. But as of yet nothing. Its like Samar has been dumped and left to rot and degrade within the label of a killer as if there could be nothing more to him, such as redemption in some form or other" --another quote I don't know who said... but I was expecting a rage, a fire... his character to start to show anger towards his blind rage and killing Nimai, starting to feel bad that the sister that loved him to bits hates him, realizing what love is, questioning himself on the fact that he's educated so why was he doing this, maybe even a breakdown scene, where we see Samar cry and realize how wrong he was and between all this...Killer! I hate that phrase! there is so much to Samar that we see in his eyes, when sayali was screaming at him... if he didn't feel remorse, he'd shut her up, but he didn't he looked hurt, ignored her and told Badri to shoot her if she tried to leave, and he left, he didn't even want to see if she got shot. If he was a killer, he would've probably stayed behind and waited for Sayali to leave so he could shoot her himself! that's also why I think he said, don't ask me before shooting her, he probably didn't want to know that he was the reason behind it if his sister died... yes I'm making assumptions, but what do I do. Samar made the hurting expression not the expression of anger when his eyes go wide, he had the puppy-dog eyes going!
Samar has so much potential and Deepak is an amazing actor and they just need to experiment more with Deepak, he can do so much more then just anger!!! Like I've already stated a few paragraphs above, I love it when his eyes light up when he smiles or when his eyes go really big when he's mad and those puppy-dog eyes when he's hurt (which he does a lot more than the anger, indicating that there is more to Samar then this tough exterior and he does get hurt from his dad's and Sayali's words!)
It's so sad when Indian drama's have character's with such potential, and actor's playing it who are exceedingly talented. And the CV's don't explore that character because they don't matter as much. But seriously, Samar is a male lead. He should be focused upon more as well! I still don't understand why the producers of this serial chose a very handsome actor to play a baddie. It's so painful to watch.
"I'm sad that cvs are deserting the interesting routes which we seem to have the more creative mind of conjuring up". Agreed; everything else is so dull, and unoriginal. Samar is interesting Deepak acts so naturally while if you notice other brown actors become so over the top in acting. I do that too when doing indian shows... but Deepak is so calm, he reacts to a situation how a normal human being would. I feel possessive over him at times when he is shown on screen, because I see something and I instantly think "oh great he is going to be compared to Dev who just is... straight out annoying.
I miss Samar's funny lines his teasing his anger, that fire in his eyes... I miss the old Samar Tyagi.
Wow this is exactly five entire (top to bottom) pages! I think I have done justice to my views on Samar Tyagi...and everyone who read it all i want to thank you so much! Because I probably wouldn't have read all of it.. aha I just don't have the patience but I'd end up reading it all anyways xP
What do you guys think? Any thought's anything differ? Or did I say everything? Aha
Okay, I have to go do homework. Peace out my Samar Deewani's :)
Pati Patni Aur Panga
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Tum Se Tum Tak
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Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki
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