Veil Off........and i will hear you out - Page 10

Originally posted by: zoya786uk

What a ridiculous example you have just given. Are you possibly comparing both the veil and prancing around naked of the same nature. It isn't against the law in th UK to wear a niqab as it doesn't in any form or shape offend others whereas walking around bare in public is! I still do therefore stand by any woman wanting to wear an niqab, you see i'm not so narrow minded that i can't respect and tolerate ones values and beliefs.

What do you mean prancing around naked? The Digambar Jains believe in renouncing all material aspects of the world, therefore they don't wear clothes. The religion was founded by Saint Mahaveer who is the Prophet for Jains. Kindly stop making insulting remarks against Jainism - an important religion in India. And you pretend to be tolerant!

Originally posted by: punjini

What do you mean prancing around naked? The Digambar Jains believe in renouncing all material aspects of the world, therefore they don't wear clothes. The religion was founded by Saint Mahaveer who is the Prophet for Jains. Kindly stop making insulting remarks against Jainism - an important religion in India. And you pretend to be tolerant!

I'm sorry, Punjini, but I have to agree with zoya. When you see someone who's covered herself up, you don't feel ashamed, do you? But when you saw someone NAKED, you would feel ashamed and embarrassed. The thing is, there's a thing called shame in every person... if you don't feel any shame anymore, you can do whatever you please and however you please and wherever you please. If it was only about being natural in any way you wanted, there wouldn't be any taboos anymore. Many people, even in Christian families, want to raise their children in a rather conservative environment... and if you asked them whether it's all right to feel free to wander on the streets naked, there answer surely won't be affirmative. And if we did everything in the very natural way, we wouldn't have any censorship anymore.

Originally posted by: abhijit shukla

I take it, you are not a big Salman fan! *LOL*

Jokes aside, I am perhaps desensitized but there are more disrespectful things that people can do than being nude. In fact a lot of worthy things are done by people by being nude...Queen Godiva for one. Even in our times people have raised cancer awareness and protested mink industry through being naked. On the contrary fully dressed people have annihilated - shamelessly I might add - entire civilizations of naked people who did them no harm what so ever. Dressing up is a social conditionaing.

Abhijeet, the kind of examples you have brought are very rare, whereas the veil-issue is more of an everyday issue. Of course there is injuctice and all that but in this case it's not the exact problem. Where dressing up is a social criteria for some, for others it's also a religious issue... for Muslims, for instance.

Originally posted by: punjini

What do you mean prancing around naked? The Digambar Jains believe in renouncing all material aspects of the world, therefore they don't wear clothes. The religion was founded by Saint Mahaveer who is the Prophet for Jains. Kindly stop making insulting remarks against Jainism - an important religion in India. And you pretend to be tolerant!

You are comparing two different natures, being naked in the UK is illegal but wearing the niqab isn't and hasn't been raised as such a major issue in the UK. Women have been wearing the niqab for more than 30 years........i'm not making remarks just as though that the practice above isn't acceptable in the UK, i'm not talking worldwide i haven't met no one who practices such. So Punjini you are saying that it ok for people to walk around naked and dissagree on the fact that women shouldn't wear the niqab. Tolerant of practices which are upmost held within the society i am breeding in. I would side with those who decide to wear the attire of their choice, learn to respect values which have been going on for a long period of time.

Originally posted by: #1EijazFan

Correct me if I have made a mistake but,
It is NOT written in the Qu'aran that you have to wear the veil, all it is, is a custom! 😕
So I don't really see where the religious side is coming from 😕
Pujini, UK too is a multi-cultural country, we have never refused to accept other cultures, if this is not true that try checking the ethnicity rate in the UK 😉

Is this a fact. I was under the impression that it is written in the QURAN. Thanks for the clarification. I am not familiar with the ISLAMIC holy books. I always thought it was a part of the RELIGION.

This has really surprised me. Hmmmmm interesting I wonder how that custom originated...

Zoya, the whole debate is whether anything that is around for years is always desirable and should we continue it.

"prancing around naked' is a very very harsh way to address a practice that has been in this around in this world 6th century BC, at least 1000 years before Prophet came to earth. But that is not the issue.

I don't support the beleif that going around naked would make anyone more pious than others. of course it's just the digambara preists who do that. A common Jain does not.I don't mind as long as it stays inside their community and I don't have to meet, talk, teach, learn or serve them. But I would definitely object if my next door neighbour suddenly starts going around naked one morning because he had become an enlightened digambara Jain or a woman walked naked to a counter that I served because she is proud of her religion. Similarly it angers me as a woman to think so many women are conditioned to think hiding away their identity behind a piece of cloth - be it a ghoonghat or veil - and being shapeless, faceless and identitiless is a good thing for them and they have been brainwashed to such an extent that they start feeling protected by it. Protected from whom and what ?? Their mind is so conditioned that they do not even want to communicate with another human being and have no problems in conveying that hostile vibe. I don't have any issues as long as that stays confined to their homes and places of worship or their own community. Yes, both being naked and completely covered are two faces of extreme religionism and culturism. And I as a human being I object to both........

DEAR FRNDS

LET ME CLEARIFY DIS MISUNDERSTANDIN ONCE AGAIN DAT IN ISLAM , COVERING FACE IS NT COMPULSORY AT ALL . U CAN SHOW UR FACE N UR HANDS ( FRM DA TIP OF UR FINGERS TILL WRIST)BAS NO MORE.
INSPITE OF DAT IF SUMBDY WANTS TO COVER HER FACE ITS UPTO DAT GAL PER TO MAKE IT AN ISSUE IS NT GOOD.CUZ WN ALLAH PERMITS DAT U CAN SHOW UR FACE THAN WTS DIS HUE N CRY ABT?

dr mss atttd,
plz nt tht ritng n cptls nly z cnsdrd yllng nd it dz hlp 2 uz vwls.
-A.S.

Originally posted by: abhijit shukla

Folks,

I think this thread has gone long enough. All sayable things have been said and now we are agruing in circles.

The fat lady has sung.

It is about time to lock this thread and then in some naustalgic moment, 'search' it individually and savour it, post by post, word by word, letter by letter and then light one up and smoke.

So if I get three 'thumbs up' smileys on this motion, I will imagine all those in favour saying 'I' and lock it.

👍🏼

Originally posted by: Minnie

But I would definitely object if my next door neighbour suddenly starts going around naked one morning because he had become an enlightened digambara Jain

😆

Oh my God, the way you put it so made me laugh... I just imagined you being all shocked seeing your neighbour naked suddenly one morning.

Originally posted by: amy22

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Oh my God, the way you put it so made me laugh... I just imagined you being all shocked seeing your neighbour naked suddenly one morning.

I am happy I made you laugh......😳

I agree with Abhi. I think we have all given our points, and perhaps understand each other a little more.

We all now know it's not compulsory in any religion to wear a veil.

Many women feel comfortable wearing it.

Many people feel that if they do, they should be able to.

many people feel that though they should be able to, this is not a right approach to life and somethings should be done to change this mindset.

But all agree that we have come to a staturation point ( at least I hope we have 😆).

But one thing I must say, it was a lovely debate. I beleive we all have the capability to put across a point without hurting anyone.

Thank you.

Closing the topic. In case anyone wants to reopen it, please pm Abhijit Shukla.