Are The Turks (Soaps) Really Coming To Kill Us?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Written by Rafay Mahmood

Ishq-e-Mamnoon came, aired and gloriously conquered the Pakistani drama industry. It was a bold and risky idea to air a translated series on national television but the drama received unexpectedly high ratings from the local audience.

The Urdu translation of this Turkish soap is considered to be infectious by its viewers and while some Pakistani writers, directors, and producers take it as a healthy competition, others believe it's a grave threat.

"Our local production standards are very low; if we don't raise them then in no time these dramas can eat us up," says Rashid Khwaja — President of United Producers' Association (UPA). "However, stopping the influx of foreign content is not the solution," Khwaja tells The Express Tribune.

"The consumer will not let it happen because now we live in a global village and he will find access to it somehow but the stakeholders need to sit down and develop a new model of 'high-scale drama production' that is economically feasible to both, the producer and the channel," says Khwaja.

Globally there are two TV models; "Ishq-e-Mamnoon" falls into the model in which producers hold he rights to the drama and recover the cost after airing them in their own country first. After cost recovery, the drama is available for other countries at a very low rate which is when the profit rolls in. The other model is what India follows. The channels, instead of producers, invest in a big scale production and become sole owners of the project.

Pakistan, however, doesn't follow either model. The production houses make serials for approximately 6 lacs per episode and sell it to the channel for a profit of up to 2 lacs per episode; making the producer's profit significantly low. This scenario results in more and more low quality entertainment for the channels.

TV director Azfar Ali, best known for sitcom "Sab set hai," says that it's not always about the size of a production. "I think the arrival of these soaps should give us a chance to boost our own industry standards," says Ali. "Frankly speaking, it's a pleasant

change in time of a vacuum." Ali believes it's a matter of taking risks. He disagrees with the theory that investing more or giving producers the rights of the drama is going to change anything.

"You'll laugh if I tell you the budget of 'Sab Set Hai,' but it changed your language — right?" asks Ali with a laugh. "The problem is that the producers now rely too much on research to get the ratings and play it very safe; but the ones who takes risks pose a threat to the status quo."

Renowned Urdu writer Syed Mohammad Ahmed believes that the Turkish soaps are not only a threat to the drama industry, but also to Pakistani culture."This is absolute cheating with the local drama industry!" says Ahmed. "You can't get more ridiculous and insane about art then those Turkish soaps; if you think that works then we are not short of seeing a day where nude films are dubbed in Urdu and aired as well."

"If things go on like this, then it won't take much time for Pakistani artists to go jobless," says Ahmed.

On the other hand, veteran television and stage writer-director Khalid Ahmed says he is glad that better quality programming is being broadcast in Pakistan; however, he also thinks that the rest of the Turkish soaps will not be as popular.

Khalid says the ratings of the Turkish soap didn't shock him. "It didn't surprise me at all. 'Ishq-e-Mamnoon' is a mega hit all over the Middle East; but to say that more Turkish soaps will have the same impact is nave because there is a huge cultural barrier that would eventually come in to play," says Khalid.

On the other hand, senior actor Talat Hussain believes otherwise. "These dramas show a more liberal Muslim society which our viewers want to see and feel," says Hussain "But does that mean that these programmes should be allowed in Pakistan? Certainly not — until or unless a dubbed Pakistani drama is playing in Turkey." Hussain also added that the cultural similarity is going to cost us.

One of the leading actors and producers in the country, Humayun Saeed, believes that not only are the producers suffering, but a coffin is also being prepared for the leading actors in the country. "Since Shahrukh Khan is the biggest actor in Pakistan, whatever remains of TV stardom will be engulfed by these Turkish serials," says Saeed. "I don't want to see a future where I am going to do voice acting on someone else's face; that is simply outrageous!"

His main concern is that the drama industry was the only industry that has continuously flourished. "If such serials start running regularly, then there will be no audience for Pakistani content," said Saeed.

The professionals of the Pakistani drama industry have mixed opinions on what can be considered the biggest foreign invasion on Pakistani television since the Star Plus soaps. But they do agree that foreign soaps may end their careers, invade their industry and influence Pakistani culture


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Posted: 13 years ago
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HOW MUCH MORE OF A LIBERAL SOCIETY DO YOU WANT?
Pakistan has some of the most biggest sins happening openly..
Were nowhere near close to being a muslim society.. (being born muslim does not count) and you still want freedom?

Now coming to this issue.
I agree with Production Values being increased but the problem is there's too much at stake. Taking risks is good but we've got no guarantee that production house will re-gain all the money they invested.
Besides MD Productions I don't think any other production house invests so much into a project. The locations, interior, casting, lighting, etc, everything is mostly spot on.. At-least for all the blockbuster serials.
And whatever Mohammed Ahmed said is what I agree with too..
Seriously, the actor's are going to go jobless.
What the drama industry needs is re-invention..
New fresh better scripts.. Better budgeted drama's.

This 1 hr drama daily has sort of ruined things.. I think 1 hr drama's on the weekends was much better..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Btw, half of Pakistan hate's SRK.
Bollywood Film/Pakistani Drama's don't have a comparison.
Humayun needs to shut-upp. His production house can't even get new actors.. All they is repeat Ayesha Khan in the same medicore scripts..

And USA/Canada/UAE/UK/Saudi are the nations where people love Pakistani drama's.
If not for your own people who don't really watch drama's, they can make better one's for us.


3 dramas with a goo budget/investment is better than 7 dramas with average/bad production values.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I don't have a problem with Turkish soaps as long as they are not run on our channels
They can get that Turkish channel and run it with sub titles on...if people want to see it on their channels than that is fine according to me as we can't stop competition but I just don't want it happening on our channels
I don't really believe that they are going to work in the long run but why do we have stop the growth of our Industry just to get easy money
These channels and production houses should be investing more money on actors, writers etc rather than getting easy money by dubbing
Is there any sense of patriotism in our people ...no country on this earth does what we have been doing to our entertainment industry
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Is it really that big of an invasion? 😕

It's more or less the newer channels like Express & Urdu1 that are showing these Turkish shows, and it definitely has everything to do with money for their channel because they're fairly new channels. It's another thing that these shows are being watched.

I agree with Talat Hussain though. Most Pakistanis living within Pakistan are wannabes (no offense to anyone here..keyword = most). They are delusional and can't connect with the fact that they are Pakistanis living within Pakistan. For them seeing such Turkish shows is sort of like escapism. I'm sure for people who live outside of Pakistan, find nothing special whatsoever in such foreign, dubbed shows. I'm also sure that's the case with many Pakistanis in Pakistan too..but there is a portion of those who feel otherwise which is why these dramas are the highest rated dramas right now. As Talat Hussain said it's what some people want to see.

Another thing, this is what happens when every other drama is an adaptation of a novel. Why would you want to follow a 20+ episode drama for months, when you've read the novel and already know the story? when on the other hand you could easily watch a Turkish show which offers something totally different than your own shows. Pakistani dramas need to stop using novels all the time..it gets boring. I haven't read many of these novels but it's easy to find out the entire story of a drama through the internet etc and even promos nowadays which makes you lose excitement for a drama.

And Humayun Saeed isn't really far from the truth. Bollywood actors & actresses are more popular in Pakistan than Pakistani actors & actresses. I think Fawad Khan is one of the few actors who has sort of changed that..but bollywood movies are always the center of attention in Pakistan when compared to dramas. Not everyone in Pakistan will know who the likes of Mahira Khan, Saba Qamar, Aamina Sheikh are whereas everyone will know who Deepika, Anushka, Katrina are.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Even if Bollywood dominates Pakistan it doesn't take away from the drama industry..
It takes away from the film industry.

And correct me if I'm wrong but majority of the people who read novels actually watch the drama's to see how it's dramatizedd. It's the one's who don't read novels who also don't watch the dramas.

I do find this to be an issue not because of the Turkish shows but because channels and production houses both need a desperate wake up call..
It's still not too late..
Fresh scripts.. Interesting ideas.. No more novels..
And for goodness sake if you wanna do 7 days of drama at-least make half the drama's worthy of being watchedd.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Not only JUST the whole story,we need NEW ROMANTIC SCENES.
ZGH scenes[In the OST] are ditto copy of HS scenes.WTH.I can yourube their scenes,i dont need to follow a whole show for more than 20 weeks and then realise 'Oh thats the same scene like HS'😳


No wonder audience is liking the ishq mamnu show.It might be cliche but it had new faces, a complicated story that no one cold understand

Atleast it was different from wife gettin ready,hubby comin from behind and praisin his wifey.How innovative🤪
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Posted: 13 years ago
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^Loll.

I'm sick of the same romantic scenes too.. Either they become too bold or too repetitve.
Besides Humsafar I think Dastaan had the best romantic scenes..
Especially the intensity in Fawad's eyes when he says "mujhse shaadi karogi?" I can never forget that scene..

If only there was a way to contact channels/production houses. I would give em an earfull.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Honestly.. if a Turkish drama has come and and become an instant hit in the Pakistani audiences then what is the problem in that?
See if it was against our culture then it would never have gained 10+ ratings. This shows that people have accepted even the dubbed, revealing clothes, high class society shown in it.
Moreover, if it was against the Muslim culture then how come the show became an instant hit in the Middle East also? What I see from this article is the insecurity which actors like Humayun Saeed are facing because if Behlul from Ishq-e-Mamnu can become a hit amongst the audience; then where will he go?

Ishq-e-Mamnu, accept it or not has a good story, direction, also a carefully done dubbing. However, if other channels are running after Turkish plays like Geo or express then they will have to be careful in that because not all plays are like Ishq-e-Mamnu even if they have the same cast!
Rest depends on the audience's acceptance!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Our nation is living in some kinda complex ..
someone define the term liberal for me now..its more like kawa chala hans ki chaal apni chaal bhe bhool gaya.dont we have our own culture ? our own identity? .Complex k maary log 😵
Honestly the content of our drama is still way better than indian and turkish shows,we need some good production houses and some new faces ..but yea our people always love to run behind glamor or something that is not suitable for our culture.first it was saas bahu soaps of ekta & now its ishq-e-mamnu 😵

and that behlul.. no offense but we defo have some better looking actors in our industry, dunno why girls are going crazy behind him🤔

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