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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ritzy09

You are bang on target dear but actually there are multiple things which come to my mind as a result of this post and comments on it -

It is true that CVs tend to get inconsistent when they look for easy ways to put their point across. Viallgers coming and praising Jagdeesh and then giving mithai to Daadisa would have been enough to bring out the point abt Jagadessh in front of Sanchi. But they wanted to just create suspense at the precap point and highlight Anandi's past and hence this faux paus...it was totally uncalled for and unnecessary...it did not raise drama point as much as it raised questions on thier credibility as creatives.
Also, the point abt bringing Jagdeesh on their shoulder to office...again it was just a way to exageraate the good things he was doing suddenly for his village...I can still give a benefit of doubt assuming they did not know Anandi will be there and as a collector probably it was Shiv's perogative to know abt it...
Now coming to they Jagya staying in haveli...i would say it is one's own personal matter. But yes, yet again, in greed of getting high drama CVS blotched it a little. Maybe they could have shown some villagers gossiping and Shiv getting angry on evesdropping them...that would have been the right way abt it. As you say it is hard to believe that villagers will not gossip abt such an event.
As to Saanchi - I personally think there is nothing wrong with the track. I know of many teenagers and young people, who live in cities and are very snobbish and rude. "Ewww...how do u go an visit your grandparents in village...do they have proper toilets?"...this was a question I have heard many a times. So people like Sanchi are a reality who think they are modern but miss the whole point that modernity is not about western clothes or education...it is about being tolerate towards other people's cultures and thoughts...
Ira is shown almost scared of her daughter. That also I have seen happening first hand in amny homes. Kids become so rude and angry that in thier love, parents loose all control over them. They are not able to discipline them, or disown them and are scared of what such kids will say or do and how they can tarnish thier image in front of society. I feel at this point ira is more worried about their respect as she is scared abt Saanchi's reactions in front of Singhs. This is typically a case where kids don't do things big enough to disown them like Jagya but at the same time, they are hard to control and manage
One thing which really hit me very badly though was Shekhar's reluctance to tell Saanchi abt divorce. At this point I am giving them a benefit of doubt that they are doing it because they are scared of how she will react in front of Singhs and not ebcause they are hypocites and actually see it as something to be ashamed of. Till now, they have been shown as reasonable people so I really hope it is just because they are afraid of Saanchi's big mouth and her ability to hurt Shiv, Anandi and Singhs...
Puri raam katha likh di maine...sorry if I bored u



You didn't bore me at all - great post!


"It did not raise drama point as much as it raised questions on thier credibility as creatives" <- exactly right. 👏


"Maybe they could have shown some villagers gossiping and Shiv getting angry on evesdropping them...that would have been the right way abt it. As you say it is hard to believe that villagers will not gossip abt such an event." <- Precisely!!! I agree that such matters are private, but the Singhs are a high-profile family who everyone looks up to. When Gauri was staying in the haveli after GaGa got married, everyone was asking who she was, and Dadisa had to pass her off as a door ka rishtedaar or something. When Anandi was thought to have run off with Shravan, random women were disgracing her in the temple... that too was a private matter, and her family were supporting her, but they still felt the need to make their feelings about her alleged elopement known. So in the past, the villagers have taken a keen interest in the Singhs... I remember numerous occasions where they've told Dadisa that they look up to her because she's the Maajisa of such a big haveli, and that they follow the example she sets... and then suddenly during the whole Jagat-in-haveli sequence, there wasn't a peep out of any of them. It didn't really add up to me.


About Saanchi... I do believe kids like her can and probably do exist. If someone is used to getting their own way and being pampered, has not internalised an attitude of open-mindedness and respect for all people, and has never had to face any particularly serious or lasting repercussions for bad behaviour, it's natural for them to become like the way Saanchi is. Ira being afraid of what her daughter might do and how she might embarrass them is less understandable to me because I haven't seen that sort of thing first-hand (maybe I'd understand it better if I had?) and fail to understand why she can't just give the girl a tight slap already. xD Numerous times during the episode, I wanted to be like, "Somebody tell her off! Shiv, turn on that ghamandi collector mode of yours and let her have it if she disses your Ajee again!" And yet nobody did... and I somehow can't fathom that. xD


About the divorce... I don't think they are ashamed that their future DIL is a divorcee. I think they are just scared that Saanchi will not be as understanding and accommodating as they've been (which she won't!), and will throw a massive tantrum and embarrass the heck out of them while hurting the Singhs (I guess that ties in with what you were saying about Ira et al being scared of Saanchi tarnishing the family's image with her behaviour but at the same time not knowing how to keep her in check).
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: roberoi


My fear too in bold 😕...I have declared them hypocrites in response to Anjy's thread but in one corner of my heart wish to give them same benefit of doubt as u want to specially to Ira as she has been shown to be very reasonable and mamatamayi maan and of course dignified lady...



Nah... perhaps I am optimistic, but I somehow have total faith that they aren't hypocrites in this matter. Ira seems to really love Anandi, and I think they all have a huge amount of respect for her as a person given how she's come out from a not-so-great start in life and achieved so much. Now that CM's come round, I think all the Shekhars (with the exception of Saanchi, of course) really think of Anandi as an individual and recognise that her character and qualities make her a great match for their son.


I think it makes sense that they haven't told her about the divorce... she's already made no secret of her dislike for Anandi what with calling her a "behenji" and a "backward si anpadh gaonwaali". I guess maybe they are waiting for her to be charmed by Anandi (which seems like wishful thinking at the moment given her behaviour!) so that she is more likely to take it well and have sympathy and respect for Anandi over her past. At present if they were to tell her, she'd be like, "Oh my God, bhaiyya... pehle toh yeh ladki ek anpadh aur backward gaonwaali hai jo ek antique si kamre me rehti hai aur apne haath se keechad saaf kar deti hai, aur ab tum mujhe bata rahe ho ki woh ek divorcee bhi hai!? Have you gone mad!?" (or something along those lines). So I feel they are probably being sensible in keeping their mouths shut for now. Though really they should just tell her that it's up to Shiv who he wants to marry and that she should quit whining and causing everybody unnecessary tension!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: YashpalDhavan


Sujal,

You wrote a fabulous piece. Took the words out of every one's mouth. This drag on is just too much. Yeah, laadli stuff, pampering all I understand, but downright rude behavior? When we were young if my sister had done that as a guest in someone's house 'it is all right for you to eat ghee, you cover your fat in ghagra', my God that night there would have been hell to pay at home. That is it, no arguments, you cannot behave like that whatever your prejudices might be, shouting at your mother 'give the gift to a servant' chhee, may be I had a strict up bringing and see life differently because I have seen some people on the Forum say vah vah to Sanchi.

Be that as it may,sooner than later she will eat crow, but I am amazed why Ira is so scared, Alok is mostly in maun vrat and Shiv cannot correct the sister?

As to your point of the villagers walking in as if it was an emergency, absurd. Is all I can say.



Thank you so much 😊 By the way, I haven't had the chance to interact with you before, but I really enjoy reading your posts!


Yeah, the ghee/ghagra comment was like a, "Whoaaa, did she really say that!?!?" moment for me. Like you say, if she were my kid, I'd've flipped out at her over that behaviour the moment we were out of the Singhs' house. Same with yelling "give the gift to a servant" loudly enough for Anandi to hear on the other end of the phone... I mean, even if you don't like a gift, it's basic courtesy to hide that and show polite appreciation. I just don't understand how the same parents/family can have spawned respectful, tolerant, polite Shiv and brattish, narrow-minded Saanchi (who doesn't seem to embody any of Shiv and the family's core values)!


Are there really some Saanchi supporters on here!? Every post I've read has denounced her as ridiculous and out-of-control rude... it's depressing to think that anyone out there actually supports her behaviour.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: SiriuslySujal

So I just watched yesterday's episode (super-late, I know). I know a lot of people on here are riled up about Saanchi, but what personally really bugged me was those villagers who came to congratulate Jagya. I don't know if anyone else on here feels the same, but that scene annoyed me on so many levels that I just have to rant about it. So here goes.



1) I get that they were happy about the trade union (was it a trade union Jagya was working on setting up? I don't remember because I was semi-avoiding BV at that particular juncture due to the excessive Jizardness and general AnShless misery), but in my humble opinion, it's not really very polite to visit people after dinner, especially when they have guests over. I'm sure Makhan must have mentioned that they had company as soon as the farmers came over - like it would only be the natural thing for him to say, "They have guests, you can come back later". Which means the farmers must have been like, "Nooo, please can we see her now, humse raha nahin jaayega!". Like seriously... they could have just come back later when the Singhs were more free. It's not like it was an emergency and they HAD to see Maajisa NOW NOW NOW. 🤔


2) Even forgiving their lack of decorum in 1), one would think that when they saw Shiv and his family present, they would think better of going on and on and on about Jagya... given that the two in-laws-to-be were obviously having a family gathering and Jagya is Shiv's fiancee's ex-husband. Seriously, a little bit of tact never killed anyone.


3) I'm annoyed that their leader called Anandi "Beendhni Sa"... but OK, slips of tongue happen... I'll let him off on that one (with much reluctance 😡).


4) The clincher for me was giving the mithais to Anandi. Dude. Not cool. I know she's always been the gaon's 'beendhni sa', but she and Jagya are now DIVORCED. Yes, I'm aware divorces aren't exactly commonplace in villages, but surely they know that she's now ENGAGED to someone else now? Who happened to be PRESENT IN THE SAME ROOM ALONG WITH HIS FAMILY!? Jagya's whole family was there - couldn't they have given the mithais to one of his immediate relatives, i.e. Maajisa or Bhairon, instead of going for Anandi out of habit without bothering to consider the delicacy of the situation?


I know that whole situation was probably just the CVs' way of bringing "the Jagya issue" to Saanchi's attention. But it just really annoys me that the Jaitserians don't seem to understand the need for tact in this matter. Like even when Jagya was around in Jaitsar, just 'cause he was doing good work in the community (curing everybody of swine flu, setting up trade unions etc), they all just expected Shiv and Anandi to be fine and dandy with it. And AnSh are both extremely tolerant and patient people and are both dedicated to Jaitsar's welfare, so they bore with it all for the sake of the village. But not once was there a single scene that showed that ANY the villagers had so much as considered how awkward things had to be for Shiv and Anandi. I mean, the farmers carried Jagya to Shiv's office that time... and of course Shiv was pleased to hear about them getting a good price for their produce, but they could have informed him of that in a way that didn't involve hero-worshipping Jagya. Feelings of jealousy and awkwardness are pretty universal... so I don't think it's unreasonable to have expected it to occur to the villagers that it wasn't a very nice thing to do to carry Shiv's fiancee's ex into his office. Surely they wouldn't like that to happen to them if they were in Shiv's position!?




Anyway, I think this has gotten long enough... just needed to get it off my chest, as it's been vaguely bugging me for weeks and just came to a head last episode. I'd really like to know if any of y'all share my opinions on this or if I am just being my usual overreacting and overthinking self. xD 😛

I am not sure why should the village people would or should care so much about Anandi and Shiv's feelings. They are busy with their own lives. Anandi and Shiv might be main characters of the serial so we are thinking abt them but I doubt villagers would analyse and micro-analyse their own behavior to see how it impacts Shiv-Anandi.
They have thier own families and they have other things to do/think about I'm sure.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: poiu123


</div>I am not sure why should the village people would or should care so much about Anandi and Shiv's feelings. They are busy with their own lives. Anandi and Shiv might be main characters of the serialso we are thinking abt them but I doubt villagers would analyse and micro-analyse their own behavior to see how it impacts Shiv-Anandi.
<div>They have thier own families and they have other things to do/think aboutI'm sure.



Well, ideally they shouldn't care at all xD My point was more that sometimes they are overly concerned/interfering ("why are collector and sarpanch meeting so much outside of working hours?") and other times completely unbothered, and that that's a bit inconsistent on the part of the CVs.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: SiriuslySujal



Well, ideally they shouldn't care at all xD My point was more that sometimes they are overly concerned/interfering ("why are collector and sarpanch meeting so much outside of working hours?") and other times completely unbothered, and that that's a bit inconsistent on the part of the CVs.

There is a reason for that and that has something to do with the social setup in Jetsar. Villagers were highly bothered when they saw Abhishek romancing Asha in the khet , or when Asha ran away to marry Abhishek , or when they saw collector and sarpanch meeting outside office hours or even when they saw JA romancing in the khet . That is against their maryada and they consider it inappropriate behavior ,displays of PDAs. Bringing J to the collector and sarpanch's office does not come in that category. (why shud the collector and sarpanch's personal equation with J matter to them)Or coming to haveli after dinner with a box of sweets for J does not come in that category 😊
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