In this battle of the Kurukshetra.. - Page 5

Originally posted by: queen-bee

@dixie123 and @queen-bee

I have read your interesting replies.

Now its 10 am here in London and I am in my office. Hopefully I shall be able to reply during my lunch break or after I get back home in the evening.

Edited by Shinya - 13 years ago

@Sukanya: After the seeing the promo. my hopes are really high that Shiv will find out about Jagya's intentions and today's episode somewhat proved it too... I haven't followed BV as religiously as you from the past 4 yrs. Been a regular only after Shiv's entry. So, can't really say I know their mind. But, I still don't think that Jagya's redemption is on yet. Current track I am seeing it more of Jagya's downfall due to his stupidity and then because of that he hopefully gets redeemed. I don't see Shiv getting harmed in the long run in anyway.

The way they showed Jagya confessing to his mistake in the Panchayat and him wanting to help the villagers made Shiv buy his maafi. The fact that Anandi openly declared to him that he is her future didn't make him too suspicious of Jagya I guess although I would have loved to see Shiv suspicious right from the beginning and trying to be aware. The fact that Shiv trapped HS in his own way I still have some faith in the CVs that they will not spoil Shiv's character. We'll see.

Originally posted by: queen-bee

My answers in BOLD for you!!

There have been some posts regarding the conduct of Karna in the Kurusabha when Dussasan tried to disrobe Panchaali. Karna was unduly harsh and spoke in unthinkable terms. Many think this was a blot in his character. But, there are other opinions as well as on many incidents of the epic. I narrate the explanation given by by Shri Gajendra Mirttra in his "Panchjanya"

Karna was the only one who truly loved Panchaali. Seeing her being thus harassed he had tried his best to rouse the kshatriya spirit in the five Pandavas. But as they had already lost Panchaali in the deceitful game, none came to her rescue. When they were banished from the kingdom, Karna confronted Yudhisthir and rebuked him in harshest possible words. Later Paanchali acknowledged to herself at least that the man who truly loves can only fume in this manner seeing his love being humiliated thus.

And yes,in the swayamvaram,Krishna did speak in the ears of Panchaali that Karna is the charioteer's son and therefore not her match. Karna was prevented from participating in the contest as Lord knew if he participates then he will win and the future will take a different course altogether. Again Karna was defeated through deceitful manner because when the swayamvaram started there was a simple condition: any one hitting the target will win the hands of Panchaali. The caste and creed were not of importance. It was brought forth to prevent Karna from participating. Later when Arjun in the guise of a poor Brahmin hit the target no one questioned his lineage!

For this fallacy of hers Panchaali had to marry five brothers and her entire life was devoted to keeping the five husbands happy and satisfied.

During their "Vanbash" Panchaali had asked Lord why did she have to marry all five of them and why did her fate played such a cruel joke on her? Lord's reply was something like this: it was your own choosing, You had only prayed Lord Shiva that your husband had to be the greatest archer, a noble soul,a man whom none can beat in the mace duel,who would be really handsome and Lord Shiva granted your wish. Now you know, that on this earth you will never get a man having all these qualities. Yes, you could have got him but,you refused to marry him because he was born of low caste. In Karna alone you would have found all these qualities. Rest all Pandavas have only some of the qualities in them. So you had to marry all.

Now if we want we can go on discussing these and it will not end. In the Mahabharata,I have not found a single character who is fully white or fully black. And seeing them only in terms of good or bad will diminish the beauty of these characters to a great extent. I found some like Karna paid a heavier price than others though the sins committed by them were no less. And that brings me to my question"why must good people suffer so much?"

Originally posted by: Shinya

You talked about 'selfless love', but was where any 'love' in the first place?

Shiv admired her, he liked certain qualities in her such as her caring nature (head massage when he had a simple cold), her respecting elders, etc. He held her in high esteem after he came to know about her divorce and her struggles in life, and then he felt an urge within him to protect her and take care of her. He thought he would keep her happy and while doing so find happiness for himself.

But that was only a thought without any concrete evidence. Both of them barely knew each other. If at all he knew anything about anandi, it was only her "kind nature". He neither knew her mindset nor her choices in life.

The question here is, was that what anandi wanted? Why would she even expect a stranger to oblige her in any way when she felt nothing for him? how can we call that love?

Just because he 'felt' he loved her (he did not even give enough time to himself to analyse his own feelings) should he at once agree to the idea of marrying someone he knew for less than 3 months? Isn't that called childishness?

I wrote, he attracted his 'misfortune' because along with anandi he has to accept the whole baggage that lies on her shoulders like Jagya's happiness and singh family's happiness. If Jagya is unhappy, his family will be unhappy and so will be his wife. If his wife is unhappy, how can he be happy?

Also, she will be happy as long as Shiv bends to every wish of hers even if it is as bizarre as acting as a wife to her ex-husband. What would have happened if shiv had told her firmly not to act as jagya's wife, instead take him to a good hospital in jaipur and treat him? What would she do?

As long as shiv dances her tune, their relation will be fine. The day he puts his foot down, he will be labelled as bad, negative. villain, etc. Won't he?

@queen-bee
I liked your post. It is so interesting to see how people have such varied views on the same subject and how people perceive the same thing and relationship so differently.

Well, what we say 'teenage love' is actually infatuation or puppy love, ain't it? We all have crossed that stage ourselves. so we know the depth of that love.

How strong or weak shiv and anandi will get in their relationship only the time can tell.

Originally posted by: 5cents

Well, Anandi is in love or not I'll not go in that debate BUT AnSh share a beautiful relationship in which all the joys and sorrows are shared by them. So, its foundation is on the principles of truth, trust, loyalty and equality!😳 I love this couple for their openness & frankness & KINDNESS. Love always starts with kindness 😳.There is equality in this relationship.

As far as attracting misfortune in LOVE is concerned ...A 20 year old girl... Nihita Biswas has married Charles Sobhraj, the "Bikini Killer" and "Serpent" who is behind bars!! Aajab pyar ki gazab kahani.

Originally posted by: Shinya

Do you really feel that the "joys and sorrows are shared by them"

and there is "openness & frankness" between them??

Yes, anandi is shown crying before shiv many times with her insecurities which are most of the times senseless and self-created.

But shiv? Has he anytime opened his mind before her? Has he nothing to say about himself?

Has anandi any time cared to find out more about him such as his likes and dislikes or his hobbies? Once he did try to tell her about his football team and coach, but she showed no interest to hear more about it.

He is like a tissue paper for her only to wipe her tears.

If shiv was open and frank with her, he would have confided in anandi that jagya's amnesia is just a drama. Instead of threatening jagya, he would have warned anandi about Jagya's intentions and told her that he doesnt approve of anandi acting as jagya's wife.

A supportive man is not someone who nods at every foolish wish of his woman, but someone who shows her the correct path.

What is so interesting about that couple?