In this battle of the Kurukshetra..

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Posted: 13 years ago
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"No matter who dies in the battle of the Kurukshetra tomorrow, you will forever be known as the mother of the five Pandavas." Thus said Karna,the great warrior to Ma Kunti just before the fateful day of the battle between him and Arjun. A lot of agony and dejection have gone into this single statement. This can only be understood and felt by a person with emotions and sensitivity.

We all know how Karna lost the battle and ultimately met his end. This was done through deception and shrewdness. This is where the evil triumphed over the good. A lot many arguments have been done on this particular duel. Was Arjun right? Did Krishna do justice by plotting Karna's defeat and death in this manner? Learned people have given their much valued opinions on this. This is neither the place nor the occasion to put forth these arguments.

Then why did I bring this up in the BV forum? I do not draw parallel between Jagya and Arjun,nor between Krishna and Dadisa. Both Dadi and pota come nowhere near the two great epic characters. But, I will do a parallel with Shiv and Karna.,if only to bring the similarities in their characters.

We have seen in our lives,good does not always win. Not necessarily. Sometimes evil does triumph. But,the manner through which this is achieved is of utmost importance. Karna's singular fault(as I see it) was his unequivocal support to Duryodhan,despite everything. He had his reasons,and very strong reasons at that. But, given a choice,he chose to stand by his friend whose conduct was essentially wrong.

Look at Shiv. He chose to support Anandi in her decision to nurse Jagya,which in normal human relations,is unthinkable. Inadvertently he pushed Anandi towards Jagya.

Karna was just too good. His faith and loyalty never wavered. He lived and died for Duryodhan. So also it goes for Shiv. Sometime,blind faith can be your undoing. It is better to judge and then decide,which neither Karna did nor Shiv is doing.

Despite being a great warrior,a true friend,a just king,Karna was never really acknowledged for his greatness. All his qualities were used by Duryodhan to bolster his image and his kingdom. Karna merely played into his hands. Despite being a just,kind and sensitive human being,no one in the Singhs family could understand what a gem they had in their hands. They merely used Shiv for their narrow benefits.

Ma Kunti forsake Karna and he was brought up by Radha. Look at Shiv. Though Irawati is his real mother, it is CM who has brought him up and means more to him than his real mother.

In the entire Mahabharata,there was only one character who really understood what Karna is and he was Bhishma Pitamah. Here I find Daddu as the only one who really understood Shiv's worth.

Karna lost Draupadi's hand in the swayamvar due to clever doings of Krishna. And I am afraid,the same goes for Shiv with Dadi playing a dirty game to get rid of Shiv. Whether she will succeed or not ,only time will tell.

My only way of doing this little comparison is to show, evil does triumph. Though Krishna,Draupadi and the four Pandavas paid the price for being selfish,they had achieved their life's goal and lived their lives to the fullest. It was not punishment enough.

Even if Shiv does win in the end, it will be after a lot of struggle and heartbreaks. Is it worth it?

NOTE: I am not equating Anandi with Duryodhan. This comparison is done merely to bring the similarities between Karna and Shiv. Both needed a reason in their lives to act the way they did. For Shiv it was Anandi and for Karna it was Duryodhan.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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its draupadi refuse.. karma that time she said that he is sutputra...she refuse his part of competition. she refuse to become his wife.. its not much involvement of kishna here.. the decision entirely of draupadi..

karna take his revenge..when duryodhan her call her in sabha as dasi. .when all pandawas lost her in bet too.. he insulted her there.. shiv is not like that he cant insult and woman like this.. so i can not agree with some point.. karna to has so much ego.. that shiv dont have it..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Lovely lovely post. Karana is my most favourate character in

Mahabharta.
You said Shiv pushed Anandi to do seva of J. Did Anandi ask him for permission?
And what if Shiv had said no?
Yes evil truimps often but this is a serial. So good will win.
Thank god for that.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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though in mahabharat karna was my most fav character but i can't compare karna with shiv..karna was not selfless as shiv..rather i found karna more near to reality than shiv.karna has thought of revenge in his mind he chose to die to keep his promise than compromise but their also his pride and grievance worked..he couldn't forgive kunti for all his life long agony and that's why i loved karna

shiv is just too great to be real ..he had neither pride nor grievance..and sometimes its hard to believe..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Karna was punished because he was with the evil side.Anandi is not evil.The lesson learnt from karna is tht even if ur good and a great warrior but if ur company is bad u will see defeat
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

Lovely lovely post. Karana is my most favourate character in

Mahabharta.
You said Shiv pushed Anandi to do seva of J. Did Anandi ask him for permission?
And what if Shiv had said no?
Yes evil truimps often but this is a serial. So good will win.
Thank god for that.

Yes Anandi asked him for permission. When Jagya gains consciousness and holds Anandi's hand and mutters some nonsense about being his beendni and please stay with him and he has a headache, Dadisa breaks the hold twice and then finally tells Anandi to please do as J says till Lal Singh arrives. Anandi does not do it and looks at Shiv first.
He tells her to do as dadisa says and only then does she moves towards J.
Also in the pond scence yday .. Shiv mentions I did not stop you because I know u will be able to handle the stress and u are not stone hearted .
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I always like and agree to most of your posts. But here I beg to differ. However I agree that shiv inadvartently pushed Anandi towards Jagya.
Anandi since living with Singhs, have no options but to obey dadisa.
Karna, as somebody said was egoestic and insulted Draupadi to take revenge.
It was his ego and self- presumption that he will beat Arjuna. In couple of battles before Arjuna had defeated him (e.g after vanvas when Duryodhan and his army had stolen cows of King Virat). Any way this is not the place to discuss about mahabharat.
I still admire your wrting skills to make a point.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sukanya.,
All I want to say is...Shiv is not as naive as Karna...😉and Anandi is not wicked as Duryodhan... 😆
So...Don't worry...every thing will be alright and Truth will Triumph at the end...
Yeah., since CV's of BV are trying to draw a parallel to The MB here., there will be lots of plots and plans and we can expect a mini scenario of "Geethopadesa" too...😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sukanya - I like your take on it.

I have a different take on it though.I hope to share it sometime soon.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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The Mahabharat is my most favored epic and Karna of all those characters is my MOST favourite guy. If you read hindi, There's this beautiful book called Mrityunjaya by Shivaji Sawant that I would recommend as a must read. Its mind blowing !

That said - I simply love your analogies. Yes - Shiv is being very Karna like. He is being true to his heart in word and action and has enought faith in his love and Anandi to know that she will not go beyond taking care of a sick man.

But if I may add another incident - Karna got duped of his kawach by Indra in disguise at a time that Karna had chosen as his "daan" time. Here Jagat is doing the very same thing - he is pretending to be sick and delusional and is asking for Shiv's most prized treasure. And even though Shiv as given him Anandi's care and proximity on loan for an as yet undefined SHORT period - Shiv is unaware that Jagya has no plans of returning his treasure.

I hope Shiv will not give away his right to Anandi after he figures out the treachery of Jagya. I also hope Anandi will not play a dumb mute possession like his kawach and will actually decide for herself who she wants to be with.

That was my analogy - except I always wanted Karna to win and still want Shiv to win now.

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