Changed title: Character Study - Rishi, Indira etc

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Posted: 13 years ago
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An issue that has been going around in my head past several days - my contention : Both Indira and Rishi need to grow up in different ways before they are ready for a sustainable, healthy relationship. Interesting thing is both can help each other, if they allow it to happen


Truth versus lying, people skills

Rishi:
He appears to be a victim of his environment where he dealt with parental neglect and abuse using humor as well as protective lying/hiding the truth, especially in situations where active telling of truth/being open will result in pain for him as well as the recipient.
He has not yet learnt the lesson of "Tell truth and Gods bedamned". His first instinct is to hide it. Take the simple example of not telling Sharmas of his being disowned. Indira caught it and rightly gave him the correct advice to not tell a lie, even if it is a small one.
"Oh what a tangled web we weave When first we practice to deceive." really ought to be drummed into his head.

We all lie to some extent, sometimes to save face, sometimes to protect other people. But Rishi has gotten too glib about it and lies sometimes roll too easily off his tongue. It is hard to build trust in this situation


Indira
Indira is exactly the opposite, perhaps to the other extreme where she on slightest issue, she goes for the jugular and shreds the recipient's ego. That is hard to take. She needs to learn that truth is important, but so is the other being. Just for fact that they are fellow humans, not to mention your relatives or your co-workers, certain amount of respect for their ego is imperative. Constant rubbing of the fact that they are good for nothing, possess no sense, or are selfish; and that too in a very sharp manner is not conducive to people respecting you and making an honest effort to fulfill your expectations. Everywhere she is feared, but not respected. She makes people tremble, but does not inspire people, nor do they voluntarily do stuff for her.

This trait is actually very common. At work, no matter how good of a worker (in my profession, an engineer is), if he/she creates fear, lack of confidence instead of inspiring people, nurturing them etc, that person always remains an engineer and never moves up the totem pole. I, myself, have had to bring outside counselors to help deal with the fallout from a couple of Indira clones.

Rishi gets that, and in many ways tried to show this to Indira - from Mandira episode where he cautioned Indira on the perils of dictating marriage to Mandira, to recently when he advised her on dealing with her mother.


Valuing Love

Rishi:
Even though he had miserable childhood and an absolutely horrendous family, he has shown he hungers for and treasures love. He walked away from obscene amount of money when he left his family for Indira, especially when he did not know whether Indira will ever be able to look past his Diwan identity and forgive him to the extent of loving him back.

That is no laughing matter. Very few people can do that.

He has also shown that matters big or small, he will move heaven and earth to sweep her troubles away. It is another matter that sometimes he does it well, but sometimes there is negative fallout from his well-intentioned efforts.

He also places love before his ego. That is how he has been able to give Indira her space, as well as ignore Indira's sharp putdowns.

Con: He, perhaps, does not trust the power of love. That is why he could not tell Indira the truth about his identity or Vidit. Love is not a standalone thing. It has to be supported by things like sharing of one's own past, one's mistakes, one's vulnerabilities, opening yourself up for hurt etc.


Indira:
She has as a lot of distrust of love. Being loved and loving others means one hurts and one forgives. Indira has been so hurt that she has closed herself off completely. She opened a little for Rishi and then clammed up so quickly at the first indication of trouble. Her thoughts were still of her own self when Rishi's identity came to the fore. She was not even seen contemplating about Rishi's predicament, giving him the benefit of doubt for even one moment. In one instant he transformed from a lover to a psycho who was capable of putting in a spy camera in her most private space. That is not deep love, perhaps more of infatuation.

In life, many many times loved ones let us down the most. That is when the strength of love kicks in and we pick up the pieces to rebuild a bigger & better relationships. Ofcourse some stuff like infidelity is really un-forgivable. But Rishi hiding his identity did not belong in that category.

Now about Vidit - part of it is forgivable like if Rishi was responsible for his accident (forgiveness will be based upon looking at Rishi's attempt for atonement. He could have easily given money to the family and moved on with his life. Instead he chose the hard route to live with the family and easen their burdens a bit). Part that will take longer is where Rishi impersonated Vidit on the phone with Indira. We can understand his motivations, but forgiveness will take a while.

Indira recently said to Rishi "He can test her love, if he wants to". I think this will be her test. Love is not just for good times, when loved one is always good. It is also for times when loved one lets us down. I want Indira to be hurt, but at least attempt to understand Rishi's motivations. Even if forgiveness takes time, and grief takes precedence, I wish her to not let this make her bitter and get all clammed up again and go into her "ball busting" mode with ego shredder firmly embedded in her language.

Which brings me back to Rishi
Rishi
He really, really needs to get that small lies told daily, no matter for what reason, build an image of untrustworthiness. He needs to loose the glib image soon.

He also needs to build a habit of owning his actions, good or bad. It is not enough to blame circumstances. Like blaming his friends for his being drunk. Worst was when he left Indira holding the bag during the pregnancy episode.


Financial Responsibility
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Rishi may be big on taking responsibility for Vidit's care, and Sharma household when money was flowing. Now that the reserves are gone, he needs to start getting serious about his career.



Thank you for reading this stream of though. Additions/subtractions/critique welcome



MTA:
Having slept on this issue, I thought perhaps it would be a good idea to have this as a live thread with a study of characters in HD. It is not meant for discussion of current tracks, but how the characters are revealed.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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WOW.Your posts are a delight to read. I have read each and every single one of them and cant help but agree with all of them.
Yes both need to grow up. Neither one of them is perfect and thats what makes them so endearing.
Oh and Rishi definately needs to start thinking about his career. I am hoping thats the next track after this marriage thing gets done with. Maybe him deciding to be an artist and Indira helping him through the struggles of becoming a successful one. I want him to do well financially and eventually buy a house for him and Indira. The thought of Indira staying with the Sharmas even after marriage irks me a lot.
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Audience need to grow up n accept the biter truth that atlast cvs manage to show real reason of rishi entry in SN n his link up vidit case, Indira has full right to know about her ailing brother n rishi kept het in dark, I am glad cvs showed that truth before marriege happened , marriege means honesty n trust but it is lacking in this case, Indira had been complete honest n devoted whatever she does( proud of her) but rishi did not , Rishi need to grow up big time
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Excellent post. Very well written and many valid points made. I think we will get to see much of what you have said in forthcoming episodes because their equation has matured. When the episode of the fake parents and the revelation of Ricky Diwan happened, it really was too early for them to get together. At that time, they merely knew that they belonged together, but they did not know what that involved. They understood each other, but were not unconditional about it. On Indira's part, the unconditional acceptance happened after Ricky was disowned.

In the case of Ricky, he's anchored in Indira. It may be my imagination, but whenever he says "Please" to her, I can sense a literal dread of losing her. As far as he goes, she is the only one who loves him and he will do whatever it takes to keep her happy. His concealment of Vidit's illness must be stemming from the effort to delay causing pain to her as much as possible.

From where I see it, now is the time for them to marry. Testing times, I know. But the right time nonetheless. They are both now deeply in love. As someone had said in an earlier post, they need to marry to save themselves from their own selves. A few more such instances involving Sameer Diwan, the repugnant Sharma family, will only serve to chisel and polish a really beautiful bond.

Only one point of disagreement: about Rishi 'owning up' his actions. I have never felt that he has tried to push responsibility for his actions on anyone. He is very quiet about his actions (in a positive way). He never even lets Indira know about whatever he might have done for her. And am sure that's the way he is towards others as well. And about financial security, he has a different take. "Sorry boss, paise ke liye kaam apne se nahin hoga". To him, money is important only to the extent that it takes care of stuff: hospital bills, rent and so on. Money is a means and not an end. Artist-mizaaj hai :D Let's not insist on him having a "career" in the traditional sense :D
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..Priyanka..

Audience need to grow up n accept the biter truth that atlast cvs manage to show real reason of rishi entry in SN n his link up vidit case, Indira has full right to know about her ailing brother n rishi kept het in dark, I am glad cvs showed that truth before marriege happened , marriege means honesty n trust but it is lacking in this case, Indira had been complete honest n devoted but rishi did not


I suppose this is being directed at me. Thank you for well laid out critique😭 Advice to me to grow up had me cry buckets and buckets of tears😭😭😭



Seriously😉, No one is arguing in this discussion whether CVs did bad for disclosing the truth of Vidit. This is a red-herring within the context of this thread.

I agree Indira is honest, but devotion part has not been put to test. I can argue that Indira's love crumbled at the first test of hidden identity. Only person I have truly seen her devoted to, is Ishaan. Even Amma did not get her devotion after Rishi started living with her, and this is a person who has been in her corner since beginning. This is what I mean when I say Indira has to learn that loved ones have foibles, and that they will do things that hurt us. But we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Love takes work, 24/7.

I would argue Rishi has lied and/or hid truth. But he has been utterly devoted to Indira and Vidit.

Cheers

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: knownturk

Excellent post. Very well written and many valid points made. I think we will get to see much of what you have said in forthcoming episodes because their equation has matured. When the episode of the fake parents and the revelation of Ricky Diwan happened, it really was too early for them to get together. At that time, they merely knew that they belonged together, but they did not know what that involved. They understood each other, but were not unconditional about it. On Indira's part, the unconditional acceptance happened after Ricky was disowned.


Excellent point👏 I only fear that Indira may take a few cycles before she reaches the unconditional acceptance part. My response to Priyanka also touches this vis-a-vis notion of devotion. I fear that her distrust of love, fear of being let down time and again, may be still too strong.

In the case of Ricky, he's anchored in Indira. It may be my imagination, but whenever he says "Please" to her, I can sense a literal dread of losing her. As far as he goes, she is the only one who loves him and he will do whatever it takes to keep her happy. His concealment of Vidit's illness must be stemming from the effort to delay causing pain to her as much as possible.

Yes, I too feel his dread, his emotional need for her. This is especially evident when he puts up with Indira's sharpness. If he is not careful, he may win the label of henpecked husband, if and when they do get married😆


From where I see it, now is the time for them to marry. Testing times, I know. But the right time nonetheless. They are both now deeply in love. As someone had said in an earlier post, they need to marry to save themselves from their own selves.very salient! A few more such instances involving Sameer Diwan, the repugnant Sharma family, will only serve to chisel and polish a really beautiful bond.

Idea has a lot of merit. I wish to see their growth, marriage or just bf/gf. Each is a catalyst for the other to grow. For that matter, even if they separate, each will be changed from this experience. I just wish Indira deals with it more maturely, and does not go back to her clammed up self


Only one point of disagreement: about Rishi 'owning up' his actions. I have never felt that he has tried to push responsibility for his actions on anyone. He is very quiet about his actions (in a positive way). He never even lets Indira know about whatever he might have done for her. And am sure that's the way he is towards others as well.

good point

And about financial security, he has a different take. "Sorry boss, paise ke liye kaam apne se nahin hoga". To him, money is important only to the extent that it takes care of stuff: hospital bills, rent and so on. Money is a means and not an end. Artist-mizaaj hai :D Let's not insist on him having a "career" in the traditional sense :D Touche😉


Enjoyed your thoughts and everybody else. You all had me blushing😳
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Indira and her people skills

Back to this topic as I feel this is really her achilles heel, that creates an environment which perpetuates and accentuates her pain and loneliness.

She seriously needs to build the ability to slowly convince people to her point of view, nurture them when they take a step in her direction. For example, with her Bhabi, there have been few times where she has taken the first step to abandoning her slavish and lazy adoration of her husband, and start taking some responsibility. First was during the abortion fiasco when she overcame her cowardice to finally stand before the crowd and say that it was she who went for abortion. Indira was shown earlier lecturing her Bhabi to come out of her husband's shadow, to show some courage and independent thought. When her Bhabi did summon teeny-weeny courage to stop Indira's character assassination, Indira did not come forward and thank her privately or encourage her to keep up with the courage bit.

Same thing happened when Sameer's goons came to beat the family up. It was the women who acted with courage. Afterwards, Indira had some sharp words for her brother, but no pat on the back for her Sis-in-law. She knows that her sis-in-law has a good heart, but she lack spine and courage, always taking the easy way out. She needs constant nurturing to come out of bad habits.


Control and Ownership
From personal experience, I speak that when someone is under the dominant and controlling influence of another, it is a much easier option to just shut down your brain cells and let other deal with the problems. You become afraid of taking any independent action because of fear of wrath of the dominant one.

One of the first scenes of HD was the family lining up and Indira parceling out some foodstuff. That is total control. I completely understand her problems and pressures with money, and profligate, irresponsible nature of her family. But Indira's approach is wrong.

She needs to have a good heart to heart with her Bhabhi or her mum and then give them the responsibility as well as ownership on how they manage their kitchen expenditures. If they misspent the money, guess what? They family will have to go hungry. Her sis-in-law has a son. So, after one or two failures, she can soon learn the lesson of how to manage kitchen budgets. This is just one amongst many approaches she can take to get people of her family to start owning up problems.

Otherwise she is just enabling irresponsibility! Just like how spouses of addicts, abusers etc unknowingly perpetuate bad behavior. When therapy occurs, it is not just the addict who has to change his behavior, but close family members too.


Next post is about the Sharmas
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Excellent writing yaar! 👏 I enjoyed reading your detailed studies of Rishi and Indira. I agree with almost everything...Keep it up! 👍🏼
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Posted: 13 years ago
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jjkg... Magnifique !! 👏
Fantastic Character study of INSHI. ⭐️
Looking forward to your take on the Sharma Family ( or rather the " BeSHARMAs ) 😃
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Sharmas

I sometimes think that Illa Bedi is having a laugh at all of us for failing to get the joke.

You know the image of Indian soaps, where there is an all sacrificing, good girl who continues to put up will all kinds of bad deeds against her, is never granted happiness, is always made to sacrifice, is always to dumb to get the games being played against her etc.

Her family is a mixture with some so-called "good characters" or bad. But they share a common trait. They always expect the girl to be an ideal sati-savitri, never a frown, never scarred by all that is demanded of her, never a rebel. Just a saint. And the "good" family characters while supportive of her, never really acknowledge her pain and take risks at heavy cost to their own selves, to alleviate it. They are equal passive participants to all that befalls the heroine.


Illa Bedi has removed the veils of this hypocrisy when she created the Sharmas family. No more sugar coating, veiling the truth in guise of lazy, parental love. We have Sharmas who are unabashedly selfish to the core. No hiding behind majbooris, societal mores, izzat etc. It is in your face expectation of Indira to do anything and everything to make them lead a cushy, protected life.

I am glad she did that. There is so much unacknowledged hypocrisy in our serials that gets filtered into our own lives. My dad left India when he was a young man. So he never saw a movie, let alone TV soaps. When he retired, he got some Indian channels and started watching soaps. I was astonished at some of the stuff that started coming out of his mouth when I visited him a year later. And he knows how much of an ardent feminist I am. I thought he was one too.

So him saying "Beti ho to aisi" to some sati-savitri type character who sacrificed all for her family, was jaw dropping to say the least. I was astonished to see the regressive impact that the serials had on him. He could not see the selfish behavior of the parents behind the cloak of "family izzat", "family values".


I am glad that Ills Bedi created these "in-your-face" characters.

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