sq174121 thumbnail
21st Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail Engager Level 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 19 years ago
#1

let me clear this thing out hee plz its important....this ghalath fehmi of ppl saying 786 means bissmillah is utterly wrong!!

all those who disagree plz tell me......where have u read it in the Quran or Hadis that 786 means bissmillah?

Created

Last reply

Replies

17

Views

2.9k

Users

10

Frequent Posters

Soruj thumbnail
20th Anniversary Thumbnail Explorer Thumbnail
Posted: 19 years ago
#2
To post a topic on a religion is very brave of you.how could you say its non-islamic?are you a mullah by any chance?This topic will cause alot of controversy to muslims(it doesnt make a difference if you are a muslim or not).There are millions of muslims around the world who associate 786 to Bismillah,you're saying they are all wrong?
now let me clear this misunderstanding of yours.go and check the link.

http://www.submission.org/miracle/786.html
sq174121 thumbnail
21st Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail Engager Level 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 19 years ago
#3
well..ok even if im not a mullah...still has ny1 ever proved it in the Quran or Hadis by ny chance?

It has 786 letters but it does not mean that we write 786 instead of bissmillah...so how can u say that its reprsented by 786?Its just not islamic to make sumthing up wen its not mentioned in the quran..that way from now on we can start representing our names with numbers aswell..or y not the whole Quran itself?
sq174121 thumbnail
21st Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail Engager Level 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 19 years ago
#4
oh n btw i cant be a mullah..im not a man... 😆
Uk_Princez thumbnail
20th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail Engager Level 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 19 years ago
#5

Originally posted by: sanaqureshi

oh n btw i cant be a mullah..im not a man... 😆



😆 true say
Uk_Princez thumbnail
20th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail Engager Level 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 19 years ago
#6
well i dun beilve dat 786 is not islamic.....becuase der are over a million pple in dis wrld hu bielive dat der is a islamic meaning behind it.....and dey all cnt be rong...so 786 duz mean bismillah
Morgoth thumbnail
21st Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 19 years ago
#7
This is what I got from Wikipedia.org

The Arabic letters of the opening phrase of the Qur'an (the Basmala phrase Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim "In the name of God, the Compassionate and Merciful") sum to the numerical value 786 in the system of Abjad numerals. Not all Muslims place emphasis on this numerological analysis, but some Muslims in South Asia use the number 786 as an Islamic symbol, and some Muslim scholars and groups (such as the "Qur'an-only" Submitters) consider it to be religiously significant.

There have been various speculations about the mystical or religious significance of 786 in Islam for centuries. There is a famous poem praising Allah, titled Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim, which has exactly 786 letters. Some have argued that 786 is the number of days in which Allah created the world or the number of days in which Muhammad conquered the pagans of Mecca in 786 days.


================================================

Using the source given by Soruj, take note of this:

I never quite understood the idea behind the number "786". Is it possible for you to explain its significance at your earliest convenience? (Asim)

A 2. "786" is the total value of the letters of "Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim". In Arabic there are two methods of arranging letters. One method is the most common method known as the alphabetical method. Here we begin with Alif, ba, ta, tha etc. The other method is known as the Abjad method or ordinal method. In this method each letter has an arithmetic value assigned to it from one to one thousand. The letters are arranged in the following order: Abjad, Hawwaz, Hutti, Kalaman, Sa'fas, Qarshat, Sakhaz, Zazagh. This arrangement was done, most probably in the 3rd century of Hijrah during the 'Abbasid period, following other Semitic languages such as Phoenician, Aramaic, Hebrew, Syriac, Chaldean etc.

If you take the numeric values of all the letters of the Basmalah, according to the Abjad order, the total will be 786. In the Indian subcontinent the Abjad numerals became quite popular. Some people, mostly in India and Pakistan, use 786 as a substitute for Bismillah. They write this number to avoid writing the name of Allah or the Qur'anic ayah on ordinary papers. This tradition is not from the time of the Prophet -peace be upon him- or his Sahabah. It developed much later, perhaps during the later 'Abbasid period. We do not know of any reputable Imams or Jurists who used this number instead of the Bismillah.


====================================================


From what I could gather, the number 786 was adapted by South Asians...It did not originate in the Qur'an, but was merely a cultural change.

IMO, as long as you don't harm anyone, there is nothing wrong with adaptation of a religion to one's culture.

Mahayana Buddhism in China/Japan is different from Theravada Buddhism followed in Sri Lanka (which was developed by Siddharta Gautama).

Zoroastrians in India insist on wearing Saris to weddings and initiation ceremonies (the sari is not an Iranian/Persian outfit).

I am not qualified to say if anything is Islamic or Non Islamic, but I dont see anything wrong with Bismillahurahmanurahim being replaced with 786 as long as one's heart and mind is pure.



sanril thumbnail
20th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail Engager Level 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 19 years ago
#8
well, i don't think the number 786 holds any significance..this was only adapted by people to replace Bismillah-hiRahma-niRahim.n popele also say that this number is very sacred..pleaz i don't undertsand how a mere number can replacce Bismillah-hiRahman-NiRahim which speaks abt how merciful and beneficiant Allah SWT is! nothing can be substituted for His mercy n beneficiance..so pleaz refrain form using 786 as a substitute of Bismillah.

Allah knows the Best!
syreen thumbnail
21st Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail Networker 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 19 years ago
#9
We write 786 coz its short. 😛
MNMS thumbnail
20th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 19 years ago
#10
Well.. in my opinion ..i think i will prefer "Bismillah-e-rahman ni-raheem" Than a number... becoz that is used in the Quran and it is a verse from the holy Quran.. So in this way a number cannot REPLACE the verse...

I don't really know wht this number means... so im comfortable using "Bismillah .." which is sure ..

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".