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geet.a

@geet.a

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Posted: 14 years ago

#11

um..

arnav is the anti-hero..?

i thought that was obvious- why would they change the character sketches?

The people who watch this show know what they are watching..

The story- how much time is it- 4 months so far?

They have a pace, and as far as i can see, they are sticking to it

It's not an episodic show that will finish with like say 300 episodes and give a happy ending.

And i can definitely see the story'the characters are embedded in it :)

All I can say is see the nuances, u'll see the story

OH and the manhandling part is DEFINITELY NOT romantic.

We're made to see THAT despite THAT- he takes care.

That's the um, point? of being an anti-hero

Look at heathcliffe- tell me 1 thing that makes him even remotely likable except his love?

nothing.

Look at beast- the name says it all-

he's a BEAST.

and he WILL manhandle her coz that's what he's supposed to do.

About damsel-in-distress blah blah- Well, of course, I agree there are stereotypes etc etc- but honestly speaking, it's not cool to implicate a show on that when our own lives till date are embedded in a gendered hierarchical system called patriarchy

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IntrovertedDame

@IntrovertedDame

Sparkler

+ 6

Posted: 14 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: geet.a
um..
arnav is the anti-hero..?
i thought that was obvious- why would they change the character sketches?

The people who watch this show know what they are watching..

The story- how much time is it- 4 months so far?
They have a pace, and as far as i can see, they are sticking to it
It's not an episodic show that will finish with like say 300 episodes and give a happy ending.
And i can definitely see the story'the characters are embedded in it :)

All I can say is see the nuances, u'll see the story

OH and the manhandling part is DEFINITELY NOT romantic.
We're made to see THAT despite THAT- he takes care.
That's the um, point? of being an anti-hero

Look at heathcliffe- tell me 1 thing that makes him even remotely likable except his love?
nothing.
Look at beast- the name says it all-

he's a BEAST.
and he WILL manhandle her coz that's what he's supposed to do.

About damsel-in-distress blah blah- Well, of course, I agree there are stereotypes etc etc- but honestly speaking, it's not cool to implicate a show on that when our own lives till date are embedded in a gendered hierarchical system called patriarchy

Good point. And I will unabashedly admit that Heathcliff is my favorite literary character of all time.😳

But the point here is, as much as Arnav is the anti-hero, Khushi was shown as an antithetical character for him. I mean, her spunk, her refusal to be bowed down by his alpha male tendencies- the great ASR, all-powerful and unbeaten.

And I think that is the high point of the show. The pitting of two stubborn bulls who are determined to have their own way and fall in love with each other in the process. It was supposed to soften them in the long run, make them aware of each other's faults and accept each other as they are. It's for the same reason why I liked the episode where Khushi and Arnav connected individually on the basis of their common pasts- the pain of losing their parents.

But hasn't it become a tad repetitive? As a member pointed out, it seems like we are stuck in the same cycle again and again. And that is what is grating on our nerves.

I agree that our lives are enmeshed in gender hierarchies, but I wish the writers don't have to force it down our throats all the time. It's not the first time they're doing it either. And I don't think it's cool to accept these complacently just because they go to great pains to propagate these stereotypes in the first place. One can be a part of a social system while at the same time questioning its contradictions.

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asmuasmi

@asmuasmi

Stunner

+ 2

Posted: 14 years ago

#13

c is over irritating sometimes!!

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SStephy

@SStephy

Dazzler

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Posted: 14 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: charity10
did you create a very irritating Khushi today...

Could you please explain who has given KKGr the permission to take undue liberties with ASR? Yes he has shown that he has this undeniable pull towards her. He doesn't understand it and is trying hard to find it. He knows he is being mean, but can't seem to stop himself. He hates how he loses control. He hates how she can take him to the point of insanity and she somehow can pull him back. He knows it. She doesn't. So why is she taking so many liberties with him? How can she go up to his office meetings? The scene could have more impact if she waited for him the whole time to finish and then had her say? With what right is she even allowed to enter the premises of his office?

Regarding why did Kushi barge into his meeting...because according to Kushi, Arnav and La are in love with each other. She feels responsible for their break-up. So she tries to amend things between them. But when she realizes that La would b leaving the country and never to come back..she feels it necessary to convey this to Arnav before its too late. It was the urgency of the situation that made her barge into his meeting (since La has packed her bags, I'm guessing she was about to leave immediately).

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SStephy

@SStephy

Dazzler

+ 3

Posted: 14 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: charity10
Also, it is nerve wrecking to see these kind of senseless scenes after the fabulous first apology scene and the equally good second one. I mean if KKG did not feel any stirrings in her soul with that, then sadly there does not seem to be much scope for her. Was that all she wanted an apology, so she could jump on the dulhan banna sikaoo mission to the dulhan banao band wagon? (sorry for bad hindi spellings)

Yes, thats all she wanted - an apology.

She obviously didn't want to get into a realtionship immediately with the person who is already in a relationship with whom she is training!!

And I don't see why Kushi should immediately fall in love with someone who said just sorry to her!! 😲

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charity10

@charity10

Beginner

Posted: 14 years ago

#16

I agree with all of you who say KKG should not fall in love with ASR. It's true she shouldn't. I never said she had to. All I wanted to say was that KKG has seen another side to ASR. The one with his sis, the one with the little child and the one where he apologised to her. Has ASR seen any other side of Khushi? Do we know anything about Khushi. I was talking in terms of development of the story by the creatives. We have seen ASR be moved by the tears he gives KKG (and by no means am i saying that is in anyway right) But we have seen that.

By no means do I want KKG to fling herself into ASR's arms because she happened to see a few good things he also does. But then my gripe is against the creatives. Creatives also want us to believe and have shown that ASR is falling just short of cruel where KKG is concerned. So why have they not explained why KKG is a glutton for punishment? Which person in their proper senses takes these kind of pangas with people they are scared of? There is just no consistency to what the creatives want us to believe.

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charity10

@charity10

Beginner

Posted: 14 years ago

#17

Also the bit about his live-in girlfriend. It was a choice of mature adults who have every right to choose what kind of relationship they want. And we all knew that ASR always treated La that way, yet she loved him and wanted to move in with him. IT WAS HER CHOICE. He did not drag her nor did he lie to her nor did he make any false promises.

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solembaum

@solembaum

Voyager

+ 2

Posted: 14 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: charity10
Also the bit about his live-in girlfriend. It was a choice of mature adults who have every right to choose what kind of relationship they want. And we all knew that ASR always treated La that way, yet she loved him and wanted to move in with him. IT WAS HER CHOICE. He did not drag her nor did he lie to her nor did he make any false promises.

Even if it was her choice, does that make it right?? And the rest of the things Lavanya was put through - why didn't ASR ask his Di not to do this?? Was it not wrong of him to have an unconventional relationship while keeping the girl in his traditional household facing taunts from his Nani... Knowing that his Di has this pathological need to please everyone ... and so pleasing anjali Di would mean pleasing Nani as well and hence he has asked La to keep Nani as well happy?? Do you think even if La agreed it makes it right for him to do that?

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