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Posted: 14 years ago
Lol - just finished sending you the PM but I see you got it figured already!

The Gild and Glorious Saga...!
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Posted: 14 years ago

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Anjalg,
I actually was impressed by Motaba (as an ex Sarpanch) pointing this out. In the context of this serial, superficially, it might seem unwarranted - but according to the law of the land in India (and in several legal systems across the world), a person who fails to report the facts about a criminal incident as grave as a murder (even if he/she is not an accessory to the crime) is considered complicit to the murder and is liable for punishment as is the offender.
This serial seems to have had an underlying agenda of social messages to its audience (even if it sometimes gets lost in the drama) and this was one those instances. Vasanth's murder was a crime that impacted so many people - hence Gulaal's sense of martyrdom was a bit naive - by hiding the truth about Dushyanth's role in the murder she worked on the assumption that she knew best since she was Vasanth's widow. She denied an entire family/community justice and hence did commit a serious wrong...laws exist in a community for a reason...she set an example that it was OK to forgive a murderer because she needed to keep her family together. What if Vasanth's murderer had been Durgesh or a member of the village? Would the same warped logic have applied?...I love Gulaal's character because she is the anti-perfect "anti-heroine" if you will in all these saas-bahu dramas with their "perfect" brides who always do the right thing...Gulaal (as opposed to all the other bahus) makes you think, not cringe...
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Well said...so we know this is not your typical conventional show. My POV here is that she had her reasons for doing what she did...were they right? were they wrong? Hiding a crime is as heinous as committing a crime but Raman was caught and sent to jail...did that do him any good? Nope, because he came out and went back to square one - stealing from the family, getting involved with the wrong people, embezzling...he did not even have the backbone to stand up for his own blood brother after that same person bailed him out of trouble. Over the course of time, I actually started liking Dushy and its sad his track had to end.

Gulaal did not send Dushy to jail but she managed to change him for the better. Maybe he should have gone to jail 10 years ago and that would have closed the chapter and more importantly given the family closure on their son's death but on the flip side...I don't think Dushy would have changed as a person. So unfortunately there is no right and wrong answer where this show is concerned...I still don't appreciate the way MB compared Gulaal and Dushy's deeds. Dushy murdered his brother in cold blood to get Gulaal. Gulaal hid this fact to keep the family together. Its not like Gulaal watched and supported Dushy while he committed the crime...

Many of Gulaal's decisions have made me wonder...her promise to Talli is one of them but then again...these little intricacies have given this show the oomph factor.
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: Anjalg


Well said...so we know this is not your typical conventional show. My POV here is that she had her reasons for doing what she did...were they right? were they wrong? Hiding a crime is as heinous as committing a crime but Raman was caught and sent to jail...did that do him any good? Nope, because he came out and went back to square one - stealing from the family, getting involved with the wrong people, embezzling...he did not even have the backbone to stand up for his own blood brother after that same person bailed him out of trouble. Over the course of time, I actually started liking Dushy and its sad his track had to end.

Gulaal did not send Dushy to jail but she managed to change him for the better. Maybe he should have gone to jail 10 years ago and that would have closed the chapter and more importantly given the family closure on their son's death but on the flip side...I don't think Dushy would have changed as a person. So unfortunately there is no right and wrong answer where this show is concerned...I still don't appreciate the way MB compared Gulaal and Dushy's deeds. Dushy murdered his brother in cold blood to get Gulaal. Gulaal hid this fact to keep the family together. Its not like Gulaal watched and supported Dushy while he committed the crime...

Many of Gulaal's decisions have made me wonder...her promise to Talli is one of them but then again...these little intricacies have given this show the oomph factor.


So if one is compare intentions - the accusation is rather harsh, and unwarranted. But again, there is no glorifying such sense of nobility either. Gulaal did not strive to change Dushyant for the better - her ways and means and words - and of course his strange and deep obsessions turned reverence for her changed him. The fact that she gave him a chance had a big role to play in that - but it could have just as easily backfired. And that is why, in objective analysis of the circumstance, Gulaal cannot be deemed right. Her sole argument to protect Dushyant arose from her promise towards Vasant and his dream - changing Dushyant was not her agenda - and keeping her claimed reason solely in mind, she does take the law under her personal wing, not to mention rob a society and a family of a chance for fair justice - because it's necessary to keep her family together... In an ironic way, within that clause of selflessness, lies great selfishness on a broader level... And although her underlying intention is one reason she should be and will be forgiven - the fact that the show doesn't fail to point it out as an error on her part - not just towards the parents but towards the system in general - is brilliant! Its just the way they have depicted Gulaal and Kesar's careless and amateur attitude towards the severity and gravity of a matter like a DV - it's one thing that we start a debate over whether DV is a righteous practice in the first place or not; it's another thing to play around with the sanctity of an accepted norm, as per the convenience of your situation... somehow that situation, and this - with regard to the controlling system are similar fall outs on Gulaal's part.
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Posted: 14 years ago
That's the thing Jzee...Gulaal's intentions were good but unfortunately the ends did not always justify the means. She took it upon herself to make Vasant's dreams come true...what really were his dreams? To keep the family together, to keep the villagers happy however if Vasant had been alive and Dushy had murdered Raman or even Gulaal...would he have acted in the same way and kept the whole thing a secret?? Maybe not...

For that matter, why was V's murder case closed? The only person who campaigned to find out the truth was Gulaal...PB, MB - did they not want to find out what led to the accident and why three people were lying on the road side while their son had mysteriously disappeared in the water? A month or two ago, Kesar had blown up on Dushy and MB (for which he got the infamous first slap from Gulaal) and he was right when he told MB that there was so much going on in the house that MB was not even aware of!! Again, not justifying Gulaal's actions but as elders...there was a sense of carelessness on their part. PB just left it to Gulaal to single handedly bring up Kesar...PB had no idea that Gulaal and Sudha had secretly cooked up Kesu and Talli's future wedding. Giga and JK had no idea what Raman was up to and that he cannot even stand to look at his own wife...

I feel that all these responsibilities and burdens were thrust upon her at a very young age as well and as she is realizing now...she was not always right. Yes, she has treated a tradition like DV lightly and I still feel she was wrong in promising a young and impressionable Talli that Kesar would grow up and marry her...a decision that ultimately led to some much drama and heartbreak. Having said that...I do remember an episode when Gulaal challenged Dushy to turn himself in...Dushy being the older and wiser person (I know the wise part came later) should have taken the high road and turned himself to the police? Why should Gulaal be left with all the responsibilities...Even when Dushy had changed and become a better person and could not sleep due to the guilt...he could have taken the right step. Dushy was not a mentally incapacitated person...so what stopped him and why blame only Gulaal for his roaming around freely for so many years??

If MB blames Gulaal then Kesu is equally to blame after all he brought the truth in front of the family right? In fact, I feel that the whole family is responsible in one way or the other for the way things have turned out...
Edited by Anjalg - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: nureat01

LOL ok then...sometimes I think I go overboard trying to capture every second cuz it all feels so precious *sigh* I'm a bit hopeless.

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Thanks Nur for capping beautiful moments between Gulsar. Pictures speaks a thousand words and your ones does.

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